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We're back to denial that anything happened. Gotcha.
The refs already admitted they didn't pin test the balls ...explain how that is denial
We're back to denial that anything happened. Gotcha.
Again, it was no secret TB preferred the game balls to be on the softer side. I knew this, McNally knew this, the NFL knew this (look back at the comments where TB and Peyton Manning lobbied the league to allow balls to be where QB's liked them). Does that mean TB directly told McNally to deflate them to 12.5 PSI or under? Has it been proven he told him to do that? It doesn't matter if McNally stopped in a bathroom or took a public bus to deliver the bag of balls to the field. It still doesn't prove that TB told him to do it.
If someone higher up in the company I worked for had a preference for something and I was the one responsible for providing that, and I continued to give him/her that item, NOT the way they liked it or wanted it, I'd be on the outside looking in. I wouldn't have to hear it directly from him/her either. If others within the company let me know that's what s(he) likes, wouldn't I want to be sure that's how I gave it to them? That's why I have no issues with the team/organization paying the fine and losing picks. Its also why I have a problem with the suspension handed to TB, since there is no proof he had DIRECT involvement.
Nobody is answering my questions about McNally's actions. Sound like TB's advisors have gotten to some Disboard members.
Thanks for posting.
Waiting to see what the league does about Kraft's rant.
As for Brady, do pay attention to his legal reps and the NFLPA legal reps instructing the investigators to collect the data from the phones of others. Again, not seeing this "full cooperation" that Brady supposedly provided.
Should he have to provide full cooperation even if they are making unreasonable demands? He provided reasonable cooperation. He shouldn't be punished for not bowing to their every wish.
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The phone thing is silly. They weren't going to get their hands on his phone. He wasn't turning it over and they had no right to make him.
It's silly to think he had it smashed so investigators couldn't have it. They were never getting it.
Notice there's little talk about what information was given or offered?
NFL scores first as Minnesota judge kicks Tom Brady, NFLPA case to New York
A Minnesota judge has sided with the NFL in its turf battle over where the case brought by the NFL Players Association on behalf of Tom Brady will be heard.
“This court perceives no reason for this action to proceed in Minnesota,” U.S. District Court Judge Richard Kyle ruled Thursday morning (via Fox’s Mike Garafolo), sending it to a court in Manhattan, where the NFL’s headquarters are located.
Sick of hearing about this and really think it is totally ridiculous. But...my question is if this plays out in Federal Court, will ALL the evidence be brought to the public light? A lot of what you keep hearing is Goodell said this, Brady said that.
And...does a jury decide the case or a judge? Just curious....
I don't pretend to know all of the facts and really don't have an opinion on the ultimate issue. However, the destruction of the phone is interesting. You are correct in stating that the league did not have a right to make Brady turn over the phone. But it is not silly to believe that he destroyed it to prevent information from being discovered. It seems that Brady has threatened for months to bring a lawsuit (and I believe the NFLPA has done that) and he and his lawyers had to know that certain contents of the phone are subject to discovery in a legal action. Prudent lawyers would have advised him to not destroy evidence. Discovery of electronic messages is a routine part of any civil case.
I have to believe that the phone destruction was done purposely and with an intent to prevent information from being discovered.
You should prepare yourself for TB likely losing his legal battle. The consensus legal opinion (yes, there are dissenters) is that judges rarely intervene in cases of binding arbitration (which is what the players agreed to in the CBA).I believe it's just a judge that will decide.
You should prepare yourself for TB likely losing his legal battle. The consensus legal opinion (yes, there are dissenters) is that judges rarely intervene in cases of binding arbitration (which is what the players agreed to in the CBA).
ESPN: Brady, NFLPA likely to come up short in federal court challenge
Washington Post: Will Tom Brady, NFLPA prevail in court? Legal experts say it’s a long shot.
Forbes: Odds Are Stacked Against Tom Brady Successfully Suing The NFL
There may be no further trial related to 'guilt or innocence' just whether or not the process was within the contract (CBA). Fairness isn't even that much of an issue at this point.