I hadn't thought of technically downgrading to a pass with blackout dates... I assume I cannot, we're going CHristmas week which I would presume would be blacked out. But to upgrade for $100 would still save $60 on the one MM plus get me the other one included for free (essentially), right? Are there any other changes in the passes that mean you lose something if you change to the new AP? I didn't see any with a cursory glance, but I still don't trust it. So if I upgrade to the pass without blackout dates that would be the most like what we have, cost $100, but save $60 based on not purchasing MM for $160 preorder? Right? For some reason this makes me nervous, but it seems like I should upgrade either my pass of my DHs pass during our Nov trip to get MM for both it and our Christmas trip, when I was planning to buy it anyway. If this works it will save money this one time, but if we would decide to get APs again it's going to cost us a lot more. We might not get them again at $775 a person, we'll see. I don't want blackout dates, and am not a DVC member, and don't need the one for DL and WDW, so I think we'd be in the $775 range, I can't remember what they call that one now...