Spending at Disney increasing

I am not like you with the deluxe stays and add ons but I agree. For me this coming january will be my first deluxe stay ever on WDW property, I guess you could count the dolphin but that wasn't a disney hotel. We are staying at the Beach Club and doing the dining plan. My grandma is the one paying for the trip so that is why we are splurging a bit more. In the past we have been all value and moderate and only moderate because we have a family of five and that was the cheapest option otherwise value is good enough for us. We always stay on property but always have a very restricted budget and don't go every year. Usually we go every other year because it takes that long to save. Prior to the economic downfall we had little bit more money and would vacation longer or more frequently. Now we go less frequently and stay a couple days less. Things have most definitely gotten more expensive and we've had to change how we do WDW in ways but we still make it work for now. If things keep going up and up more frequently we may not be able to afford even every other year or at all.

Heck ya never know, you may be able to go all you want some day-and bring the fam.

We have neighbor kid just got his license, that's just an addict to WDW already. Has 2 jobs this summer, 90% dedicated to WDW trips. Granted one is on a golf course and one is boat parking, but the pay is OK-but the tips are crazy. So he is in enjoyable weather, but hates winter so WDW being in FL is that much better.

Either way, look out for this kid after college. Can you say Bungalows?
 
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Not sure what your point is?

No offense, but if everyone did what you do, they would close all resorts, all shops and most dining-I'm assuming all fine dining would close. Which of course wouldn't matter to you, I do get that. Just not sure that is the best scenario.

I think it's great there are those options for you and others and myself-just glad others fill in the areas that are being utilized/expanded etc.

Actually that's what I like about WDW-so many ways to tour yet expand areas/offerings even if some are splurges.
I have many points but the primary one is that people such as myself might not avoid going but we can cut back on what we spend a lot which can also affect the bottom line. There are those that hold up attendance as proof that all is well but who's to say that others like us haven't made changes?

I doubt that they would close anything but they might be motivated to compete a bit more. I find that most of Disney's food is mediocre and overpriced. Maybe that would change? I think that their resorts are also overpriced and I say that as someone who adores a few of them.

I'm not going to spend money just to make Disney happy plus I believe that they would make sure that they made corrections if their income dropped too far.

As for splurges, we do those. We just pick and choose what we feel is worthwhile.
 
My first thought was maybe this trend was started after all the bad press, when they were having weekly news stories about guests beating on each other, smacking characters....so yeah, maybe they are trying to price out some types. Not sure I can blame them.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. I hope that I'm misunderstanding this comment.
 
It's a shame when people who see fault are just accused of whining about not being able to afford certain things. And even if they are is that so bad? Some people can't afford just the basics at WDW and I can't blame them if that makes them unhappy. They shouldn't accuse Disney of being mean or elitist but just them being disappointed is understandable.

I can't afford the Polynesian Resort. I don't mind saying that. However I can afford our two favorite resorts the Animal Kingdom Lodge and Port Orleans. I do question the value though. Not the affordability.
 


Heck ya never know, you may be able to go all you want some day-and bring the fam.

We have neighbor kid just got his license, that's just an addict to WDW already. Has 2 jobs this summer, 90% dedicated to WDW trips. Granted one is on a golf course and one is boat parking, but the pay is OK-but the tips are crazy. So he is in enjoyable weather, but hates winter so WDW being in FL is that much better.

Either way, look out for this kid after college. Can you say Bungalows?
That's very true my dream is to work for Disney is some capacity some day so.
 
I can't afford the Polynesian Resort. I don't mind saying that. However I can afford our two favorite resorts the Animal Kingdom Lodge and Port Orleans. I do question the value though. Not the affordability.
I think this is what it's about value not so much affordability. Disney has taken a lot of stuff away while not necessarily adding more value to those price increases.
 


I'm not sure what local parks you're talking about, but I have the exact opposite experience with other parks compared to Disney. At Disney, there is a method to the madness and every day is pretty predictable. When I go to Six Flags on a Saturday, I am in for a miserable day and I might get to ride a roller coaster 8-10 times. Disney may cost a little more than going to Six Flags, but there is definitely a huge quality increase.
For us Six Flags is a huge disappointment. Your on line for hours and it's a 60 second roller coaster. Yes, it is a pay for a day and visit all summer deal now but the cost of the day still not worth it. A meal (fast food) is $20. Parking is $20. The waterpark is a separate entry fee. That's just not fun for us. Of course I see how people are looking a Disney differently with the increase in price and the fastpass restrictions but for us it's still the best vacation.
 
Seriously guys. For room and board, look at any decent hotel room in any city. Disney's price point is pretty spot on.

Trust me, I have had to pay $139 a night for a Stoney Creek room in Des Moines on more than one occasion for work (as just one example). That's nowhere near the value of a Disney room.
 
Seriously guys. For room and board, look at any decent hotel room in any city. Disney's price point is pretty spot on.

Trust me, I have had to pay $139 a night for a Stoney Creek room in Des Moines on more than one occasion for work (as just one example). That's nowhere near the value of a Disney room.
So $189 at the Waldorf Astoria is comparable to $300+ a night at the Beach club? There also is the Four Seasons on property that is fairly comparable to GF with more amenities or at least better quality amenities. Don't get me wrong I love Disney resorts but they are not comparable to other hotels around the area. Swan and Dolphin are usually less than moderates but have an incredible location and very good amenities as well as Disney Transportation.
 
For example just doing a quick search One Night at the Beach Club October 1st to the 2nd $434. Same day for the Dolphin... $225....
 
So $189 at the Waldorf Astoria is comparable to $300+ a night at the Beach club? There also is the Four Seasons on property that is fairly comparable to GF with more amenities or at least better quality amenities. Don't get me wrong I love Disney resorts but they are not comparable to other hotels around the area. Swan and Dolphin are usually less than moderates but have an incredible location and very good amenities as well as Disney Transportation.

We can get a suite at the Waldorf for around $280 with discounts...we like the Waldorf(like but not love and it is easily our least favorite of the brand) but it is a time suck. When we stay at GF we can be in MK in 5 minutes. We find the amenities better at GF than Waldorf but you are paying for some you may not use, Magical Express, Park Transportation that is more frequent etc.

I think the bigger debate is Swan vs. Epcot deluxe resorts. We still gave the nod to Disney when the Swolphin was in such disrepair (have had some of the worst plumbing and hvac problems in those hotels than any we have every stayed at) but with the major renovations that will likely change but I have a feeling the rates will too.

The biggest problems for us come with comparing The Four Seasons to GF RPC. GF is substantially more for less other than location. We can hire a VIP guide for a day with the difference . I think the deluxes are astronomically priced but in the realm of what you pay to be in the middle of a very popular location.

I think only individuals can decide value. We base value on time spent as that is very precious to us with little free time available. According to the annual reports the deluxe occupancy is very strong and I think if we leave for Four Seasons they won't have a hard time replacing us. We have been unable on the last two visits to book our normal room category with any discount as it was already sold out.
 
I think only individuals can decide value. We base value on time spent as that is very precious to us with little free time available. According to the annual reports the deluxe occupancy is very strong and I think if we leave for Four Seasons they won't have a hard time replacing us. We have been unable on the last two visits to book our normal room category with any discount as it was already sold out.
According to annual reports overall occupancy is strong they don't release individual hotel occupancy rates. It's said that deluxe occupancy is not very good hence why resorts are converting existing rooms to DVc to make the occupancy look better.
 
Also just did a quick search on the random October 1-2 big that I picked above. $179 for that night plus the $30 resort fee would be $209 still cheaper than beach club. Is location and buses worth $200? To me it's not to some maybe.

Edit: also don't get me wrong I love Disney hotels, and I prefer to stay in them until I can't anymore but you can't say that area hotels are very comparable to Disney pricing.
 
Also just did a quick search on the random October 1-2 big that I picked above. $179 for that night plus the $30 resort fee would be $209 still cheaper than beach club. Is location and buses worth $200? To me it's not to some maybe.

Edit: also don't get me wrong I love Disney hotels, and I prefer to stay in them until I can't anymore but you can't say that area hotels are very comparable to Disney pricing.

In NYC, that same date, in and around Times Square/Broadway, there are TONS of 4 star hotel offerings for between $250 and $400 a night. A bunch of the Boutique/5 star hotels are close to, but less than, Disney's regular season Deluxe room rates.

In Boston, that same date, in various desirable districts (Conference area, Cambridge, Financial District, Faneuil Hall.Downtown area, etc), there are TONS of 4 star hotel offerings for between $250 and $400 a night. These are both branded (Hilton, Omni Parker, Westin) and 4 stars or better. There are boutique/5 star hotels going for right around Disney's regular season deluxe rate.

In Los Angeles, that same date, in vaious desirable districts, there are TONS of 4 star hotel offerings between $250 and $400 a night. These are both branded AND boutique hotels...and in pretty much every district INCLUDING Beverly Hills. There are boutique/5 star hotels going for LESS than Disney's regular season deluxe rate.

We've had discussions, here, that...really...only the GF offers a solid 4 star experience based on amenities (type and quality) and quality of stay/service. The other deluxes are more 3.5 star or "4 star light". I'm sure there are people here that will disagree...but in pure terms of cost comparison to other metro areas, Disney seems much more expensive based purely on location and typical hotel amenities.

The difference, of course, is that Disney controls what can be built, and who can build it, within close range to this particular location. It's a captive audience with very little real competition to drive prices.
 
Seriously guys. For room and board, look at any decent hotel room in any city. Disney's price point is pretty spot on.

Trust me, I have had to pay $139 a night for a Stoney Creek room in Des Moines on more than one occasion for work (as just one example). That's nowhere near the value of a Disney room.

A few years ago, my DW, myself and 2 DD's stayed at the Liki Tiki Condo. It was a 2 bedroom Condo fully furnished and equipped (except for food). It easily accommodated us and also had a whirlpool bath (which I loved). The resort also offered an awesome pool with many (albeit small) water slides, fountains, etc.. as well as a kiddie pool with many fountains and stuff.

We stayed for 10 days and paid less than $800.00. Compared to virtually ANY resort at Disney (our favorite is actually Fort Wilderness with our camper) that we have found, and they were definitely cheaper. It was a quality resort (in fact we sat in one of those Time Share meetings where they talked about that place) and we would definitely stay there again if we wanted to (but again, we like FW).

That being said, We don't stay on property because of the price. Where ever we stay, we look at price, quality, amenities, features that meet OUR needs. Disney does offer a lot of these when we stay there, plus they offer (most of the time) the "Magic". That's not to say that other places don't, but it's just not the same (IMHO).

The question always (for us and probably most) comes down to VALUE. Value, however, is a very subjective thing, so what I find value in, you may not and vice verse. Price is only one factor in determining value for most people.
 
The question always (for us and probably most) comes down to VALUE. Value, however, is a very subjective thing, so what I find value in, you may not and vice verse. Price is only one factor in determining value for most people.

Off property you still have pay for transportation, food (if you don't do the dining plans), etc. That brings the price back up. The theming, the amenities, the convenience of staying on property, is where the value is. And yes, value is subjective.

We stay off property because my family bought into a Marriott Time Share really early on (before DVC was around). We love it, but we also know of the added costs that go along with it. Rental car (s), groceries, 20 minutes back and for to the parks....driving when exhausted.....

Again, I have paid $139 a night for a hotel in Des Moines. In May. And that was the cheapest around. I saw no value in that. Especially since I've paid $99 a night for the same room at different times of the year. It's also about demand.
 
Off property you still have pay for transportation, food (if you don't do the dining plans), etc. That brings the price back up. The theming, the amenities, the convenience of staying on property, is where the value is. And yes, value is subjective.

We stay off property because my family bought into a Marriott Time Share really early on (before DVC was around). We love it, but we also know of the added costs that go along with it. Rental car (s), groceries, 20 minutes back and for to the parks....driving when exhausted.....

Again, I have paid $139 a night for a hotel in Des Moines. In May. And that was the cheapest around. I saw no value in that. Especially since I've paid $99 a night for the same room at different times of the year. It's also about demand.
Of course you have to add cost of transportation and food. Off property you (generally) cannot do the dining plan. However, the Dining plan is expensive. Even eating in the park is more expensive then buying groceries at a grocery store and being able to prepare a proper meal. (For the cost of one meal for one person, I can feed my entire family of 4 (and sometimes 5) from the grocery store in the condo. We do the same when we stay at the campground except we BRING a lot of the groceries with us. So that excuse isn't helping the argument.

As for transportation, it's also a moot point. While we do use Disney transportation when we stay on property, we still will want our own transportation. We will rent a car or we will drive my Truck down (as we use it to tow the camper). Again, doesn't support the argument, at least for us.

So again, For US, the value is different based on how we spend and what we want.
 
Off property you still have pay for transportation, food (if you don't do the dining plans), etc. That brings the price back up. The theming, the amenities, the convenience of staying on property, is where the value is. And yes, value is subjective.

We stay off property because my family bought into a Marriott Time Share really early on (before DVC was around). We love it, but we also know of the added costs that go along with it. Rental car (s), groceries, 20 minutes back and for to the parks....driving when exhausted.....

Again, I have paid $139 a night for a hotel in Des Moines. In May. And that was the cheapest around. I saw no value in that. Especially since I've paid $99 a night for the same room at different times of the year. It's also about demand.

You're paying for food, either way, somewhere. The dining plan might (and I stress might...it's hit and miss depending) be a discount on the food you (the global "you") consume, but you're still paying for it. Now....off site doesn't have access to "FREE Dining promotions"..but those occur during a very limited set of dates, with other restrictions (rack rate and, now, ticket differences) that will likewise effect value. As an off site guest, though, you have considerably more dining options than MOST on site guests (who don't have their own transportation), at considerably lower prices, too. Being generous, I'd say food costs is a wash.

Transportation (rental car), parking, etc...those are all increased costs vs on property.

By the by, a midsize sedan will run you between $130 to $200 a week (depending on discounts and how/where you book) plus gas. If you have a particularly good corporate contract with a particular rental agency, or find a particularly good coupon, you can sometimes get that down to around $100 a week. Parking is about $85 - $119 (depending on 5 or 7 days in the park). For your 6 nights of lodging, that bumps your cost about $50 a night.

When you're talking about a $200 - $300 a night price difference in room rates (I'm talking Deluxe)....it's easier to bear that $50 a night.

The convenience factor is certainly to be considered, as is the theming, when determining subjective value. Nobody can do that part of the value calculation but you...so if we're coming down to that...fair enough. Surely, though, it's obvious why some might not value that as much as, say, you and I, would.

Amenities? Not so much. You can get better amenities, in the strict hotel definition, for MUCH less off property. Disney doesn't do resort amenities all that well, class to class, compared to other hoteliers. Again, compare the GF to the 4 Seasons. There isn't, really, any comparison.

I think the Moderates and Values def hold up better in a value calculation than the Deluxe hotels do.
 

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