Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 6

[DMRick]

The public didn't tolerate it. Kate was beat up on the boards. I was very much pro Jon at that time. I don't think anyone thought that was a good thing that she disrespected Jon. That said, it seemed to me that TLC wanted Kate to look like that, and made sure they showed every moment. Now, I think they want Jon to be the 'bad guy' and that's what we'll see.

I really do wonder though, if that was how Kate got back to him for what we didn't see. I think there is a lot more to this sad marriage than we'll ever know. Not that I think anyone should be so disrespectful (and apparent to me, she was unloving) to their spouse (and Jon did get his licks in in other ways..he was more subtle about it, but it was there, and she usually laughed off his remarks), as Kate was shown to be to him. But why did TLC keep showing that? Did it draw more people to the show, to see what she would say next? Those things could have easily been edited out.

I don't think the public would have ever tolerated a husband belittling a wife about her weight, lack of hair or her not having her twenty something physique. Or for her inability to breathe quietly, talk correctly, take care of her kids, perform routine household tasks to his standards, etc. There seems to be a double standard.

 

[redrosesix]

Now I don't read the other threads - it's enough to keep up with this one! - so I guess I didn't realize all of that. I'd read about a trip to Korea - what ever happened with that??? If the show was preparing for it (passports and such), it seems like they'd want to move forward with something like that unless something fell through on the "technical" side (like not being able to film in Korea or something) and it fell to the side. I would think that TLC - hopefully only to a point - is letting the paps know what's going on as far as when J or K will be in certain locations for the show. I believe though too that they had something to do with all the information we got just before the season premire...it was all too "well planned out" to just all happen at the same time. I agree that I don't think they ever thought they'd be where they are right now.

I agree (again). I don't think J&K were a match made in Heaven and probably wouldn't have been together forever. Maybe, if they didn't have the show they'd still be together simply because they could live "seperate" lives more easily - working over time, taking "work" trips, whatever, without the world watching everything they're doing all the time.

PR people and the tabloids certainly have a weird relationship. I remember watching a documentary about tabloids where a PR rep called them to inform them about a B list star getting married outside -- the actor and his bride were then shocked to see helicopters flying over during the wedding.

The Korea trip falling might have had something to do with Kate or TLC having issues with Jon taking the kids alone -- I think the last trip they took together was Utah in Jan?

The public didn't tolerate it. Kate was beat up on the boards. I was very much pro Jon at that time. I don't think anyone thought that was a good thing that she disrespected Jon. That said, it seemed to me that TLC wanted Kate to look like that, and made sure they showed every moment. Now, I think they want Jon to be the 'bad guy' and that's what we'll see.

I really do wonder though, if that was how Kate got back to him for what we didn't see. I think there is a lot more to this sad marriage than we'll ever know. Not that I think anyone should be so disrespectful (and apparent to me, she was unloving) to their spouse (and Jon did get his licks in in other ways..he was more subtle about it, but it was there, and she usually laughed off his remarks), as Kate was shown to be to him. But why did TLC keep showing that? Did it draw more people to the show, to see what she would say next? Those things could have easily been edited out.

But Kate did tolerate it, which leads me to believe that it was either her normal behaviour ie that she saw nothing wrong with it (which she did seem to indicate on several episodes) or that real life was actually much worse. If it had portrayed her unfairly, I would think that Kate, not Jon, would be the one to publicly suggest that they didn't want to do the show anymore.

But I have to point out, again, that I think Jon was almost at fault for allowing Kate to speak to him that way, especially in front of the children. What are they teaching their kids by doing so? Either the kids will think they can bully people and get away with it, or that they have no recourse if they are bullied. Maybe their own kids won't be affected but IMO, this behaviour between them made J&K not a great show for other children to watch.

BTW, I was looking for things that may have happened back in Oct (which Jon says was when the marriage broke up) although we all know it doesn't necessarily take one issue to end a marriage. The only things I came up with were a number of appearances and a People article, but more interestingly they stated that there would not be a book tour for Multiple Blessings -- no statement ever came out as to why that didn't happen, although there was a lot of speculation.

 

[DMRick]

But Kate did tolerate it, which leads me to believe that it was either her normal behaviour ie that she saw nothing wrong with it (which she did seem to indicate on several episodes) or that real life was actually much worse. If it had portrayed her unfairly, I would think that Kate, not Jon, would be the one to publicly suggest that they didn't want to do the show anymore.

I used to wonder why she continued, when she wasn't shown favorable. Then I just figured that there was a lot we weren't seeing, and for her, she wanted the money they were paying them. I don't mean to say, even then, when I was a Jon cheerperson, that I thoguht she wanted it for any reasons other than to use for the kids upbringing. And I do think that she saw nothing wrong with it. We have (and other's mentioned they do too, in past threads) an acquaintance that I feel belittles her husband (and he never, in front of us, says anything but wonderful stuff to her), and I have to keep telling myself, if it doesn't usually bother him, who am I to judge? Their marriage works, and has for over 30 years. I don't think it bothered Jon, until he started reading what the rest of us thought of it, or when TLC mentioned it on the couch.

 

[ksjayhawks]

This woman has so much, yes, a lot of material things, but some other things of value as well, if she would just open her eyes and see them. She strikes me as someone who will never be happy, nothing will ever be enough and she will complain as long as someone will listen. She should have a great life about now, but she has chosen not to. It doesn't matter what Jon has done, she has healthy children, a full staff to attend to daily life and no financial worries. Yet, all she does is point out Jon's faults and cry 'poor me'

Agree with the bolded parts. I am not sure Kate will ever be happy, unless she is able to get some counseling on her own, to help her work through this.

As for still wearing her ring, the kids know what is going on, they know mom and dad aren't together anymore. If she takes it off, there goes the media attention on wearing the ring.

 

[MAKmom]

I just got back from the shore & saw the new thread. Looks like it has been a quiet weekend for Jon & Kate.

 

[wilderness01]

I just got back from the shore & saw the new thread. Looks like it has been a quiet weekend for Jon & Kate.

I just saw on a clip that the police were called to the house Thursday for a custody dispute. Sad for the kids.

 

[madge]

Now I don't read the other threads - it's enough to keep up with this one! - so I guess I didn't realize all of that. I'd read about a trip to Korea - what ever happened with that??? If the show was preparing for it (passports and such), it seems like they'd want to move forward with something like that unless something fell through on the "technical" side (like not being able to film in Korea or something) and it fell to the side. I would think that TLC - hopefully only to a point - is letting the paps know what's going on as far as when J or K will be in certain locations for the show. I believe though too that they had something to do with all the information we got just before the season premire...it was all too "well planned out" to just all happen at the same time. I agree that I don't think they ever thought they'd be where they are right now.

I agree (again). I don't think J&K were a match made in Heaven and probably wouldn't have been together forever. Maybe, if they didn't have the show they'd still be together simply because they could live "seperate" lives more easily - working over time, taking "work" trips, whatever, without the world watching everything they're doing all the time.

I don't read the other blogs as much as I did a year ago... but I do check them out from time to time. It's hard to wade through the undying devotion (positive or negative, depending on the blog) and discern what's actual rumor or opinion.

At the end of one of the seasons of JK8, there was heavy suggestion (from Kate) that the family would be taking a trip. I can't remember what season it was, season 4 maybe? Jon said to “expect the unexpected,” and Kate added that “[the family will] be taking a very exciting trip in the near future. Not to give it away, but it’ll take us back to our roots.” It was after the vow renewal, so it's been some time in the last year. that's where that rumor got its legs .. after they broke up, there were reports from locals with connection to the show (Starbucks employees, LOL) that said they'd heard from the crew that there would be counseling and by the end of the season, the family would be going to Korea. That was at the same time as the tabloid articles came out saying the counseling would be seen on the show.

as far as TLC and their relationship with the paps, I'm not sure I believe that one. I do think that there could be, and wouldn't be surprised that there is one, because there's little that surprises me now. LOL ... but it's a theory that's out there. (I had another train of thought .. but it's Sunday afternoon nap time. If I remember what the thought is, I'll come back and edit )

 

[madge]

I just got back from the shore & saw the new thread. Looks like it has been a quiet weekend for Jon & Kate.

when did you leave? there was quite a flurry of activity late in the week. yesterday, Kate had the kids out front having a picnic .. but other than that, it's been quiet today. so far.

 

[newtodis]

there were reports from locals with connection to the show (Starbucks employees, LOL)

Thanks for the explanation - and the laugh this afternoon!

 

[madge]

Thanks for the explanation - and the laugh this afternoon!

I was afraid to go back and read what I typed. I was so sleepy when I was working on that post, no telling what I said, LOLOL!

one thing I keep thinking about, which makes me think about TLC and what relationship (if any) they have with the paps. Why are there no pictures from Thursday's fight? They were all there and allegedly saw it happen. Where's the 911 call? isn't that public record?

 

[LoraJ]

There was no 911 call. She called non-emergency.

 

[madge]

There was no 911 call. She called non-emergency.

I didn't realize that! that explains no call .. but I'm still really surprised about the pictures, especially since they were ready and waiting at the Days Inn.

 

[MAKmom]

when did you leave? there was quite a flurry of activity late in the week. yesterday, Kate had the kids out front having a picnic .. but other than that, it's been quiet today. so far.

We left friday after work. Is there a set schedule for the kids with Jon & Kate?

 

[MAKmom]

I was afraid to go back and read what I typed. I was so sleepy when I was working on that post, no telling what I said, LOLOL!

one thing I keep thinking about, which makes me think about TLC and what relationship (if any) they have with the paps. Why are there no pictures from Thursday's fight? They were all there and allegedly saw it happen. Where's the 911 call? isn't that public record?

It is weird that there is no pictures of the cops or just Kate at the gate trying to get in.

 

[madge]

We left friday after work. Is there a set schedule for the kids with Jon & Kate?

not that anyone has seen yet, LOL... they say Kate has them during the week, and Jon has them on the weekends and when Kate is traveling .. but that wasn't exactly how it played out this week. Kate was back from NYC on Wednesday and at the house, but wasn't allowed at the house on Thursday because it was Jon's turn. Then she was there on Friday and has been all weekend.

 

[madge]

It is weird that there is no pictures of the cops or just Kate at the gate trying to get in.

it is! and the paps were the sources for the story. shouldn't they be all over this?

 

[Debbie]

I'm still really surprised about the pictures, especially since they were ready and waiting at the Days Inn.

it is! and the paps were the sources for the story. shouldn't they be all over this?

I agree. There is definitely something 'off' about the whole incident.

I watched the 2nd special (Raising Twins and Sextuplets. Year 2) last night. It was interesting in that Jon did a lot of the talking, Kate deferred to him several times. Their love was evident, but when she went for the tummy tuck, DD said "foreshadowing!"

As an optimist, I am always sad when a marriage cannot be saved (DS once said that I see life through rose coloured glasses.) There is no rewind in life, which is too bad. Perhaps if J+K had just done yearly specials, things wouldn't have turned the way they did.

 

[Family Fun Mom]

It is weird that there is no pictures of the cops or just Kate at the gate trying to get in.

It is, actually. Maybe they weren't there. Maybe they packed it in for the day. But I think they were tipped off about Kate going to a motel by Kate herself, or her people, at least.

Think about it. She has a huge fight with Jon. He has that babysitter there, which is driving her crazy, and won't let her in the gate. To top it off, the cops come and side with him. What is a semi-celebrity to do? Call the paps, of course! They get some pics of her checking into a local motel, being denied access to her own children and her own house by that no good, cheating, lying, vindictive louse. That gets big sympathy points from her public. Jon is further hated and she is again the martyr, the ever suffering wife. Poor Kate.

 

[disneychrista]

Kate said in an interview somewhere that there is no schedule they just do whatever works for their schedules.

 

[redrosesix]

It is, actually. Maybe they weren't there. Maybe they packed it in for the day. But I think they were tipped off about Kate going to a motel by Kate herself, or her people, at least.

Think about it. She has a huge fight with Jon. He has that babysitter there, which is driving her crazy, and won't let her in the gate. To top it off, the cops come and side with him. What is a semi-celebrity to do? Call the paps, of course! They get some pics of her checking into a local motel, being denied access to her own children and her own house by that no good, cheating, lying, vindictive louse. That gets big sympathy points from her public. Jon is further hated and she is again the martyr, the ever suffering wife. Poor Kate.

This sounds all too possible. According to the video at the Days Inn parking lot, they already knew what had transpired.

Re the pictures: I guess I figured they were there at the gate, but if Jon was filming at the time it's possible they wouldn't have bothered hanging around -- nothing strange would be going on with the TLC cameras there -- all they had was footage of Stephanie watching the kids (hmmm, maybe it was the paps that tipped Kate off about who was there?). Or somebody mentioned it's possible that they sold the pictures for a bigger amount than a site like Radaronline would have paid -- but wouldn't they have surfaced by now?