Your thoughts on this article: "If You Have Savings In Your 20s, You're Doing Something Wrong"

Raises and promotions are rare - of the places that do give them yearly you are lucky to see 2-4% in any given year, enough to keep up with inflation, and it is far more common to fill upper positions with outside candidates.

This is true but this is also why young people are constantly switching jobs. They are always on the lookout for better perks and higher salaries. And once they find it, they jump. So in the past higher salaries were given automatically but now young people are actively looking for better paying jobs. Still the same principle.
 
Not always - those years are sometimes when one parent becomes a stay at home parent, not to mention the expenses of teenagers and saving for college! I think you can have the best of both worlds saving for retirement at a young age, not spending frivolously and yet enjoying life.

Not everyone chooses to have kids Dakota.
 
We didn't save a lot in our 20s. What we did do was overpay the mortgage a bit every month sometimes not by very much but always something.

I'm really glad we did now as we are almost finished at 48 and can save a major percentage of our income for retirement.
 
This is true but this is also why young people are constantly switching jobs. They are always on the lookout for better perks and higher salaries. And once they find it, they jump. So in the past higher salaries were given automatically but now young people are actively looking for better paying jobs. Still the same principle.

In principle sure, but not in practice. You can look, but that doesn't mean you're going to find it. Even as the economy overall improves higher scale salaries are still rare and competition is fierce. I know its always been a gamble, but odds are stacked more against an individual given the rough landscape these days, especially if you happen to have things against you such as age, race, or sex (sorry but it is still true even in todays world). It would be way easier to rest on laurels if you could reasonably stay where you are at if you never find something better. That never ending worry makes this kiddo sock away her 15% reliably.
 

To each its own, while I don't agree with no savings in your 20's at all I also not in the bandwagon to cut cable and save everything possible to maybe some day enjoy it or the one week of vacation a year. I seen both scenarios played out in my own family. Through my mom side DGP worked hard all his life and they save and save and save. DGM was a homemaker they had 6 kids. They were smart with their savings invested now they own 7 properties and 2 commercial properties+ other investments. The down side they were so worried planning and saving for the future that they run out of time to enjoy it. Unfortunately, a few years before DGP retired he started having back problems from a previous surgery and things just went downhill from there. DGM always wanted to travel, but due to DGP problems they weren't able to get in more than 3 trips before things got worst. The situation never got better and now DGP can't not walk making impossible for them to travel and do the things they always wanted to do (see a little bit of the UP theme here). It is truly sad to see DGM tell you the stories of all the places she will like to visit and knows she won't be able to. In fact she has made us promise than any inheritance we get we will spend it seeing the world. Sadly DGP worked hard his whole life and now other people will be the ones enjoying it. On my other side DGP also worked hard, but they also travel often when they were younger and their plan was to spend time with family when they retired. They were able to see the world together and while they still have a nice amount of money now they have much less than other grandparents. Now they are happy and get to spend lots of time with the grandchildren. They still travel, but not that often and most times only to see family. Us well, we are somewhere in the middle, but I will say less obsessed that most americans are about saving money for retiring. Our experiences shape our choices and when DH has seen half of his buddies not make it back from deployments somehow retirement doesn't take priority #1. Yes, we save and also have money in retirement investments (according to financial advisor more than the average for people our age and DH will have his military retirement too), but we don't sink all we have or could there. We life a good life today, because no one knows what the future holds. We use the good plates and sleep in the nice sheets, and take sporadic trips and we choose for me to stay at home to be able to have time together. To be honest we don't plan to travel a lot when we retire, we want to be able to go to Machu Picchu while we still can climb and as someone mention be able to see Notre Dame when we can still climb those steps. We are our choices and we are truly happy with ours. I like how worked up some people get in this board about others choices :rolleyes1.
 
Not everyone chooses to have kids Dakota.

If you don't plan to have a family, you have even less reason to need to "cram it all in" in your 20's. My childless cousin travels all over the World pretty much on a whim. She turns 40 in January.
 
Not everyone chooses to have kids Dakota.

Even more reason to have a great retirement plan started in your 20's! If I didn't have my kids (and I wouldn't trade them for all the money in the world) I'd have probably $200,000 more in savings - considering we paid for our kids college and put one through med school as well! I just think we need more financial education in this country - for example: home ownership is the lowest since 1965! And one of the best ways to create wealth (besides compound interest) is owning property.
 
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The article is clickbait and the author doesn't understand basic math. I'm in my 50s and while I've always been pretty frugal and a saver, I wish I'd saved a bit more when I was in my 20s.

Pensions are not going to be happening for too many people who are now in their 20s. Lifespans are getting longer. We've got two sets of parents in their 90s. I'm of the opinion you can't save too much. Yeah, you might die youngish and you won't have a chance to blow through your savings. My mom died way too young. But my father and stepmother are 92, MIL is 90. I'd so much rather be in a position of having too much money than outliving my savings.
 
I'm 26, so solidly in my 20s. I'm in a different life circumstance than the author as I'm married with a child.

I will say, however, I somewhat agree with her. She didn't say "spend every dime" she said "don't stress saving." There are a lot of people in our sphere who subscribe to Dave Ramsey (now that they are in their 40s) and push on us that we should delay all gratification until we have $0 worth of debt. Sorry, but that's not going to happen. My husband is active duty and on his third deployment, second since we married. We know that we may not have those opportunities later, so we'll take them while we can get them, even if that means we wait 3 or 4 months on the back end to get out of debt.

"In the long run, we're all dead." -Milton Friedman
 
Even more reason to have a great retirement plan started in your 20's! If I didn't have my kids (and I wouldn't trade them for all the money in the world) I'd have probably $200,000 more in savings - considering we paid for our kids college and put one through med school as well! I just think we need more financial education in this country - for example: home ownership is the lowest since 1965! And one of the best ways to create wealth (besides compound interest) is owning property.

Wow, multiple kids and one though med school..? I think you'd probably have more than 200K honestly! :)

The housing bubble shook a lot of people my age up. Those who had followed the "old rules" and bought a house once they were married/graduated college were hardest hit - that puts us back in 2005ish right in time for that to burst. Many have not recovered even today. We thought long and hard before we bought ours and I still don't consider it the "smart" move - it was mostly emotional. The crazy rise in prices may come back, but no one is going to count on that unless they have enough that they can handle any potential losses.
 
"Your 20's" last for 10 years. I see nothing wrong with having a few years where you're thinking about the short term only at the start of your work life - IF it's done without debt. You'd still be ahead of most. However, 10 years? I'd think by mid 20's you should be starting to think about long term goals.
 
I agree that the world is different and 20 something's are going to have different ambitions and ways of doing things than I did/do, or my husband (we are from decidedly different generations with different attitudes-his in closer age proximity to the 20 something's than mine) but I think it's shocking for those of us w/20 something's to see this kind of attitude being encouraged when so many 20 something's are already horrendously saddled with student debt that exceeds what half the cost of our first homes totaled or even if they are lucky enough to have had parents bankroll their entire educations, they are living with an attitude of entitlement such that they auto default to mom and dad as their safety net (and in far too many cases-supplemental income and student loan payments) when the most routine non monthly expense comes up (car servicing/repairs/registration, medical/dental co-pays or bills...).

it's fine and dandy if someone is TOTALY self sufficient and chooses not to save any money-that's their choice as an independent adult, but when their financial stability is rooted in relying on someone else's earnings or savings it's insulting-AND if they do decide when they become aged 30 something's to buy a home and have kids they certainly shouldn't be relying on mommy and daddy to come up with the down payment and provide free childcare in the event that the bet they made on themselves in their 20's didn't pay off as richly as they had anticipated or the cost of being entirely self sufficient along with taking on the support of another human being exceeds their financial expectations.


some great personal examples have been given here so i'll share one on what can happen to the NEXT generation who are born to the now 20 something's when they become aged 30 something's-

a family member lived this lifestyle-despite the couple both having decent paying jobs, was never a saver. very much into instant gratification. had kids but still wasn't much into saving but wanted kids to have everything that all the other kids had (private school, cool electronics...) so often was reliant on mom and dad for 'help'. decided when kids were tweens to finally go finish up that degree (along w/spouse) that never got completed earlier in life-and to make it more marketable add on a masters all at a very pricey private university. luckily employer pays for a good chunk but still it's massive student debt and when it comes time to start making those loan payments the increase in pay isn't quite what was anticipated + the cost of those kids goes up as they age, and a home is acquired along the way which is more expensive to maintain than anticipated-so again it's relying on the bank of mom and dad to supplement.

kids grow up this way-but never aware of the extent to which the grandparents financially helped out/employer reimbursement for some schooling. as young adults they see the lifestyle they've grown up in, know roughly what the pay scale is for parent's jobs so they pick careers and enroll in the same very pricey university. mom and dad never saved so there's no financial help but 'why worry about student loans?' 'mom and dad are living the life and they paid their own way'. these kids end up 20 something's with almost 6 figure student loan debts but that doesn't deter them from wanting to be parents before they are too aged so they marry and start having kids figuring their salaries will catch up with their expenses.

guess what? it never happens. the careers they chose (similar to mom/dads) pay nowhere near what their actual cost of living is, let alone the added cost of student loan payments and raising kids. they cannot fathom why they are failing at being able to come anywhere near the lifestyle they were raised in (mom and dad never tell them about all the help grandma and grandpa provided-and that well went dry surprising mom and dad who anticipated their own existing debts could be paid off w/money to spare when grandma and grandpa's remaining assets were revealed upon death). in at least one case, despite a decent income-the family will struggle financially for decades.

so imho it's well and fine to live this lifestyle if it's done entirely independently-but to rely on one's parents to support it and misrepresent the realities of the true cost of living to your children is a horrendous disservice.




I agree partly with what you say, Barkley.

But I remember when I became an adult the first time - when my father passed away. I was married with one child in my 20ties.

Then I remember the second time - divorce, with two children. My still living at the time Mother helped me navigate that mess, mostly with financial help. I was in my 30ties.

My third and final time realizing I had to be an adult was when my Mom passed - very early 40ties.

I woke up and realized it was me and my kids.

In the past 25 years, I've built a career, established a solid retirement, and can help my 3 children, all of whom have made it through college and have jobs and are successful in their 20ties and 30ties now.

I had zilch in savings in my 20ties and 30ties. My kids are saving much more than I did. And they are still doing the things they want - studying abroad, travelling and enjoying being alive.

I travelled to Europe on a shoestring. Know the US like the back of my hand. Gone to Disney many times.

I've had and am having a great life.

And, I'm helpful to my kids as they have kids and buy homes.

I'm not sure why everyone has this doom and gloom outlook.

You must learn how to live, whether you do it with money or dreams.
 
I agree partly with what you say, Barkley.

But I remember when I became an adult the first time - when my father passed away. I was married with one child in my 20ties.

Then I remember the second time - divorce, with two children. My still living at the time Mother helped me navigate that mess, mostly with financial help. I was in my 30ties.

My third and final time realizing I had to be an adult was when my Mom passed - very early 40ties.



I'm not sure why everyone has this doom and gloom outlook.

You must learn how to live, whether you do it with money or dreams.

I went to Europe last summer and a guy said something to me that I think is so true.

Americans live to work, while the rest of the world works to live. We are a nation that is happy at being unhappy.

And now I see the trend of raising a nation of kids who are so anxious about tomorrow they don't enjoy the present. I went to a Bar mitzvah which I think the kids are usually 13 and the dad wanted to take the kids cash and open and IRA, mom wanted to send the kid to camp. wow, lol it's now come down to a 13 year old not being able to enjoy a summer at camp because he might need the money when he's 60

Never on these boards do I hear anyone saying they are working to retire to enjoy life. LOL NEVER. all conversations are about how they are working because they are scared they will turn 90 and have to go into medicare long term care..


I guess I feel more sad for todays twenty somethings. I have two and I feel sad that if my youngest decides to spend the summer in Portugal with his relatives, he will be deem "irresponsible". I feel sad that my 24 year old will feel guilty if he spends 150 bucks and goes to a Eagles game. All the great experiences I had as a twenty something with a lousy job are frown upon because they have to stress about what will happen when they are 65.

like I said, 35 and being able to retire but never having been to a concert is NOT the life I'd want for them.
 
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Wow, multiple kids and one though med school..? I think you'd probably have more than 200K honestly!

They all got scholarships, worked every summer and during the school year (no trips to Europe for them!) and the med student got help with her college if she agreed to work at a hospital after graduating. Now they are almost debt free, have homes and families so it was worth all the hard work.
like I said, 35 and being able to retire but never having been to a concert is NOT the life I'd want for them.
And they certainly all went to concerts and had fun with no regrets. But they and WE worked very hard through those years and we were all frugal with no expensive vacations or big purchases doing that time. They all say they'd do the same thing all over again, so to each his own and everyone has their priorities in life.
 
Everything I can think to say about this would probably get me in trouble. Author must be a spoiled little brat.
 
I went to Europe last summer and a guy said something to me that I think is so true.

Americans live to work, while the rest of the world works to live. We are a nation that is happy at being unhappy.

And now I see the trend of raising a nation of kids who are so anxious about tomorrow they don't enjoy the present. I went to a Bar mitzvah which I think the kids are usually 13 and the dad wanted to take the kids cash and open and IRA, mom wanted to send the kid to camp. wow, lol it's now come down to a 13 year old not being able to enjoy a summer at camp because he might need the money when he's 60

Never on these boards do I hear anyone saying they are working to retire to enjoy life. LOL NEVER. all conversations are about how they are working because they are scared they will turn 90 and have to go into medicare long term care..


I guess I feel more sad for todays twenty somethings. I have two and I feel sad that if my youngest decides to spend the summer in Portugal with his relatives, he will be deem "irresponsible". I feel sad that my 24 year old will feel guilty if he spends 150 bucks and goes to a Eagles game. All the great experiences I had as a twenty something with a lousy job are frown upon because they have to stress about what will happen when they are 65.

like I said, 35 and being able to retire but never having been to a concert is NOT the life I'd want for them.



But, there's a big gap in between. Spending $150 for football tickets - when you HAVE $150 - is a whole lot different than hitting your 30th birthday with $0.00 in the bank.
 
But, there's a big gap in between. Spending $150 for football tickets - when you HAVE $150 - is a whole lot different than hitting your 30th birthday with $0.00 in the bank.

But the author wasn't very clear what she meant by savings. Did she mean "spend every dime" or "don't worry about opening up an IRA?"
 
But the author wasn't very clear what she meant by savings. Did she mean "spend every dime" or "don't worry about opening up an IRA?"

I don't think it really matters. Sure, you don't enter your 30's with $500,000 in your IRA. But, you don't have $0 in it, either.

I mean, if you can't invest ANYTHING in your 20's, what makes you think you'll be able to start in your 30's once you start having very expensive obligations like spouses, kids, mortgages, etc.
 
I don't think it really matters. Sure, you don't enter your 30's with $500,000 in your IRA. But, you don't have $0 in it, either.

I mean, if you can't invest ANYTHING in your 20's, what makes you think you'll be able to start in your 30's once you start having very expensive obligations like spouses, kids, mortgages, etc.

I was broke in my 20s, but I still put 3-5% in my 401k to get the match. I never made more than $30k a year at that point in my life.

I'm 49, I rolled just that money - that was two employers, over to a IRA years ago, so its separate from the rest. Its worth $127k.

And I think you are right - if finances are tight in your twenties, they aren't going to free up (unless you skip the kids part of life - which is fine and much easier on the wallet) until your kids are out of college. And by that time, its too late to save.

(And most of my friends who got a late start on their financial life skipped the kid part. Not necessarily because they wanted to, but because they could never responsibly afford to)
 














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