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DisneyLovingMama

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What would you do to save your marriage? A lot of what I've read about marriage saving is that if my DH refuses to change, I will have to be the one to change. I will have to make things more interesting. I have to satisfy his emotional needs more. But what if I feel like Ido everything now? I just want to whine and stomp my feet and say, "NO MORE!!"

When does changing for your mate become a "dangerous" situation? How do you "change" without feeling like you are losing part of yourself or who you are? If your DH is not willing to do anything, can you do it alone?
 
The point behind making changes is that his reaction to you will change in response. It does take some time.

I don't have many answers for you, but I was in the same boat. I was so disgusted that I had to do all the work to get my marriage back on track and I resisted making changes in myself. But once I did, my husband and I got back together better than ever. My marriage is so much stronger now than it was during the first five years of our lives together.
 
Change is a two way game. Both partners need to compromise to make a relationship work. If only one person is dealing with the problem, it won't get solved.
 

When does changing for your mate become a "dangerous" situation? How do you "change" without feeling like you are losing part of yourself or who you are? If your DH is not willing to do anything, can you do it alone?

If your husband is doing something that is destructive to the marriage - no I don't think you can fix that alone.

If there comes a time when one partner has made all the concessions, all the sacrifices, all the changes, and the other party just keeps asking for more, without giving anything themselves...I think that's dangerous.
 
I agree with the poster that said if you change that the other person will react to the change. However, sometimes that other person's reaction will not be for the better. That is where it gets dangerous.
 
But what if the changes I want to make provide me with more self-esteem and desire for independence. Will a mate necessarily react positively to that? Is the thought that because I feel like a doormat and unhappy with certain aspects of my life that he treats me like a doormat? So, if I stand up for myself, find my voice, he'll respond positively? I just don't know if that'll happen.
 
Read Love Must Be Tough by Dr. James Dobson. It sounds like something you might like, if you'd be interested in a book written from a Christian perspective.
 
I wanted to do things just so I felt I did all I could. I didn't want to have any regrets of maybe I should have tried harder, etc.
I did that for my peace of mind.

I did lose myself in my marriage. I felt like an empty shell by the time it ended. I waited entirely too long to get out. It's taking me a while to find myself again. I'm not there yet, but I'm happier than I've been in a long time.
 
Go to therapy alone if necessary. Or go to a priest/church leader that can listen and help you sort out your feelings. Maybe he will go with you eventually. I have seen (from family members) that have gotten help and are still married. I have seen (from family again) the ones that didn't seek any help. They are now divorced and my niece and nephew are shells of their former selves.

Do you have children? If you do, you MUST do this first. You owe it to them to try everything in you r power to be together as a family. (I am assuming that you or the children are not abused).

I am saying this as a woman that has lived thru my parents getting divorced. My parents didn't get help. They just gave up. They should have gotten help with communicating at all levels. They both felt that they "tried" enough but didn't.

I have talked to both of them about this. I told them how I felt about not trying. They told me that I just didn't get it because I have a good marriage. I told them that it is good because I saw and felt the destruction of divorce. I didn't want my children going thru that.

I hope the best for you. I will also say a prayer for you and your family.

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I have no advice because I don't know what I would do in your situation. But, I thought I would still post and say I hope everything works out for you in whatever you choose to do with your marriage :hug:

Whenever you need to talk, your fellow Disers are always here to listen. :flower:
 
What would you do to save your marriage? Whatever it takes. Except cheating. I will not work thru that. Been with dh too long. If it ever got to that point we would know the marriage is over.

When does changing for your mate become a "dangerous" situation?
I suppose when you hate your life and no longer cannot be with this person.
Then you do self destructive behaviors to compensate.

How do you "change" without feeling like you are losing part of yourself or who you are?
When you marry you change. That is normal. I lost so many parts of myself that I cannot count. But now that it is years later, I realized I never "lost" anything. I became a grownup.

If your DH is not willing to do anything, can you do it alone?

What does that mean? Are we talking doing a load of laundry or not coming home at night?
For the most part NO. How can you work thru something without the partner?
Each has to want the same thing, ie saving the marriage.
 
DisneyLovingMama said:
But what if the changes I want to make provide me with more self-esteem and desire for independence. Will a mate necessarily react positively to that? Is the thought that because I feel like a doormat and unhappy with certain aspects of my life that he treats me like a doormat? So, if I stand up for myself, find my voice, he'll respond positively? I just don't know if that'll happen.

He may or may not respond positively. I don't know him to be able to make that call. As for the doormat question I would say yes. You teach people how to treat you. If you allow him to treat you like a doormat then it is likely because that is how you feel so you allow it to happen.

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I read a book not long ago that did more for my marriage than the 6mons of marriage counseling we had 13 yrs ago. It's "The Proper Care and Feeding of Husbands" by Dr. Laura. Regardless of how you feel about her or her show, she had what my husband called some amazing insight into how men think/react, etc. The book suggests some simple things to do, and some that I had a hard time doing. More than anything it made me think about the man I chose to spend my life with differently than I had for a long time. No, you can't change him. Don't try! It's a lesson in frustration for you both!

Best wishes to you. I've been where you are. I hope ya'll can work through this and come out stronger than before!
 
I'm fine with divorce. Been through it once. Its sometimes a neccesary evil for your own safety and well being.

If he's being abusive, get out.
 
If he's abusive, either emotionally or physically, to you or to your kids (if you have any) -- get out.

If the changes you would have to make would cause you to *become* a doormat, don't change. Get out.

If the changes you would make would cause you to be a better person in general, IMO, that's good! And yes, people can respond to positive change in positive ways. As someone else said, act like a doormat, you'll be treated like one.
 
totalia said:
I'm fine with divorce. Been through it once. Its sometimes a neccesary evil for your own safety and well being.

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True! And sometimes, it's simply an issue of choosing the wrong person. There are instances where a marriage will NEVER work irregardless of counseling or any other steps the couple's willing to make. Just wrong from the "getgo".
 
*nods* True. I think sometimes people don't think it through before taking the plunge. I especially think young girls are prone to getting caught up in the moment and the planning instead of actually thinking it all through before entering into this kind of commitment.

I wish I had never had to get a divorce. But then, I wish I had never married the manipulative, lying, cheating, abusive jerk either.
 
DisneyLovingMama said:
What would you do to save your marriage? A lot of what I've read about marriage saving is that if my DH refuses to change, I will have to be the one to change. I will have to make things more interesting. I have to satisfy his emotional needs more. But what if I feel like Ido everything now? I just want to whine and stomp my feet and say, "NO MORE!!"

When does changing for your mate become a "dangerous" situation? How do you "change" without feeling like you are losing part of yourself or who you are? If your DH is not willing to do anything, can you do it alone?

(going with the assumption that we are not talking about an abusive situation, but that you love your spouse and if he was putting more effort into your relationship, you would be content and want to stay married)

Probably the first thing I would do is to find out WHY your spouse is unwilling to do anything? What is bothering him so much that he is not putting any effort in? He obviously did at some point or you would never have been married in the first place, so what changed? Is there a possibility that you have expected so little that he is used to not having to do anything?

I think what people don't seem to understand, when it comes to working on your marriage, is that you can only control your own actions and reactions.

That is why any counsellor will talk to you about what YOU are doing, how YOU feel, how YOU can make changes in your life. They aren't going to dwell on what your spouse does, but your reaction to it.

Your actions and reactions DO affect the atmosphere of the marriage and CAN result in the actions you want from your spouse. It's a matter of learning how to let go of the competitive part of your relationship. (ie keeping score of who is doing 'more')

Let's be honest, if you polled any given person, they would say that they do enough and perhaps even more than they should have to do. Everyone believes they are putting in the effort required. Most people feel they go above and beyond. Ask their spouse and you may get an entirely different opinion, LOL.

IMO, what really starts the frustration is when you are doing what you think your spouse wants and they aren't (in turn) doing what YOU want them to do. People tend to do for each other what they WANT others to do for them, instead of finding out what the spouse really wants/expects.

For example, lets say what makes you really happy and content is if your spouse does "A" for you. Since we like "A" so much, we do it for them all of the time. Well, spouse really likes "B"...so that is what they do for you. You don't want "B", nor do you need "B"...but all you get is "B". So, you are unhappy. Not only that, your spouse is unhappy because they aren't getting "B" from you. "A" is ok, but they really want "B".

Now, neither of you feels understood and you both are not getting your needs met. You feel your spouse should automatically KNOW that "A" is what you want. Or that they should know how important it is to you. They feel the same way about "B".

The point is, it's really important to communicate what you want and to really listen to what they want. Sometimes that takes saying things in a way they can really understand. Often we just nag and complain instead of actually just talking about what we want, without accusations involved. If you feel that you are not getting what you want/need...you end up frustrated and less likely to be giving to the other person. When that happens, THEY are also frustrated and less likely to be doing what YOU want.

That is how your reactions/actions can be changed to have a positive affect on your marriage. This is why people always talk about making personal changes to work on your marriage. because often it creates a domino effect that results in a happy marriage, for both partners.

I know it sounds simplified and life is more complicated. But it really works unless there is no love left and the other spouse really does not want to be married. Sometimes they will not put the effort in. You can do nothing about that and sometimes you need to walk away. I would not do that without a fight. Without trying everything possible to create the changes I needed. Very often, both people need to make those changes. You have to start somewhere.

I wish you luck in your marriage and that you can both come to a point where you are both satisfied. (sorry for such a long post, LOL)
 
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