Your digital TV could soon stop working.

Don't underestimate the gullibility/stupidity of the average consumer.

We have to have the best!

Why would I watch ATSC 1.0 1080i on my 75 inch 4k TV when I could be watching glorious 2160p from an ATSC 3.0 signal?

Forget the fact that I am sitting 12 feet from my TV and can not physically discern the difference using my human eye, my human brain knows it is better so I have to have it!
It seems as back then HD was the in theater experience… and now 4K is just that too… boy, tech is a quick evolving animal…
 
It seems as back then HD was the in theater experience… and now 4K is just that too… boy, tech is a quick evolving animal…
The difference between analog and HD, IMO, was pretty easy to see. From HD to 4k? Not so much.

I will say I remember trying to show my dad the difference between analog and HD, took VHS & DVD copies of Toy Story, cued them to the same part in the film, and switched back and forth on the TV. He couldn't see a difference. 🤦‍♂️

I'd love to see a challenge where people have to choose which image is HD and which one is 4K (everything being as equal as possible).
 
The difference between analog and HD, IMO, was pretty easy to see. From HD to 4k? Not so much.

I will say I remember trying to show my dad the difference between analog and HD, took VHS & DVD copies of Toy Story, cued them to the same part in the film, and switched back and forth on the TV. He couldn't see a difference. 🤦‍♂️

I'd love to see a challenge where people have to choose which image is HD and which one is 4K (everything being as equal as possible).
I just remember some of our engineers complaining that people could not see any difference with HD and they would investigate further. The people had HD TVs but they were not feeding an HD signal into them. Now so many program producers us camera setting that IMHO do not take advantage of the capabilities of HD.
 
I just remember some of our engineers complaining that people could not see any difference with HD and they would investigate further. The people had HD TVs but they were not feeding an HD signal into them. Now so many program producers us camera setting that IMHO do not take advantage of the capabilities of HD.
Well, I know (and knew) the difference, so I was providing an analog to digital test. The difference was plain as day to me. My dad couldn't see it.
 

The difference between analog and HD, IMO, was pretty easy to see. From HD to 4k? Not so much.

I will say I remember trying to show my dad the difference between analog and HD, took VHS & DVD copies of Toy Story, cued them to the same part in the film, and switched back and forth on the TV. He couldn't see a difference. 🤦‍♂️

I'd love to see a challenge where people have to choose which image is HD and which one is 4K (everything being as equal as possible).

But DVD's weren't in HD - was that a Bluray?

I think it matters more when the screen gets larger. As big as some TV's are these days, the higher resolution the better.
 
But DVD's weren't in HD - was that a Bluray?

I think it matters more when the screen gets larger. As big as some TV's are these days, the higher resolution the better.
Yep.. Blu-Rays were in HD… and they also had lots of internet capabilities in the earlier days. Disney tinkered with this for a few years…
 
Assuming only 20% of HH utilize OTA, and that people will forgo OTA if they have to pay for it (because they can get it other ways), I don't think it's going to be as much a cash cow.

Just my opinion, but while I saw a drastic increase in quality when going from analog to digital, I don't think the quality difference between 1.0 & 3.0 are as noticeable.

My impression on this is that it's not just about video quality, but also that the encoding makes more bandwidth available on the same frequencies. Right now there's a combination of simulcasting of 1.0 and 3.0, and by eliminating 1.0 they can make that available for more sub-channels (aka multi-cast). When I play around with those channels, I see the big stations around here have 3 or 4 of them. They might be able to broadcast more.
 
My impression on this is that it's not just about video quality, but also that the encoding makes more bandwidth available on the same frequencies. Right now there's a combination of simulcasting of 1.0 and 3.0, and by eliminating 1.0 they can make that available for more sub-channels (aka multi-cast). When I play around with those channels, I see the big stations around here have 3 or 4 of them. They might be able to broadcast more.
Hopefully ABC considers putting Disney Channel over the air if that were to happen… would love to see my squirrel Kiff for free…
 
But DVD's weren't in HD - was that a Bluray?

I think it matters more when the screen gets larger. As big as some TV's are these days, the higher resolution the better.

There was HD DVD, but that lost out to Bluray.

DVD actually has a variety of different resolutions available, even though it's theoretically all digital. But each type was supposed to be geared towards the equivalent analog TV standard in the region (with region coding/lockouts). There were the occasional non-regional DVDs made if the manufacturer was OK with it, and those would just be converted to whatever analog standard there is. But on a newer Bluray player that plays DVD, it would probably just do a digital conversion, upscaling, etc.
 
Hopefully ABC considers putting Disney Channel over the air if that were to happen… would love to see my squirrel Kiff for free…

If you've got a tuner set up, have a look at what's currently available on multicast. I see stuff like Home Shopping Network and various specialty channels that broadcast old game shows, movies, etc. Much of these are available on streaming equipment (smart TVs, ROKU, etc.) for free, but I suppose that's still a revenue stream for stations to host these channels. My local PBS station has PBS Kids on one of their subchannels.
 
My impression on this is that it's not just about video quality, but also that the encoding makes more bandwidth available on the same frequencies. Right now there's a combination of simulcasting of 1.0 and 3.0, and by eliminating 1.0 they can make that available for more sub-channels (aka multi-cast). When I play around with those channels, I see the big stations around here have 3 or 4 of them. They might be able to broadcast more.
Well, yes and no.

1.0 allows for 19.39Mb. Most stations are providing 3-4 (we have one here doing 8!) "sub channels" Each channel has it's own dedicated bandwidth. Most stations started ATSC 1.0 with just one, maybe two channels. As encoding got better, they were able to add more and more channels to their stream.

3.0 allows for 57Mb! So yes, they will be able to put more "subchannels" on OR allow more bandwidth for each channel (if you're watching OTA 1.0 for things like the Superbowl or AGT, or something that has a lot of motion/confetti, you'll see macroblocking... that's because that individual channel is "bit starved"... not enough of a pipe to fit all of the data).

Eliminating 1.0 will NOT give a station more bandwidth. It will just "turn off".

1.0 & 3.0 signals each take up ~6Mhz of broadcast space.
 
Hopefully ABC considers putting Disney Channel over the air if that were to happen… would love to see my squirrel Kiff for free…
Don't forget, ABC only own eight stations. Those are they only ones they get to decide what channels air. All the others would need to make a deal with Disney to air that programming on a subchannel.
 
FWIW, those markets that have 3.0 signals in them...

'Channel A' stops transmitting 1.0. They send their signal to 'Channel B' (and possibly C, D, E, etc). Those channels incorporate A's signal into their stream.

B, C, D, E, etc at the same time send their signal to A. A takes their signals, along with their own, and broadcasts everyone on ATSC 3.0.
 
If you've got a tuner set up, have a look at what's currently available on multicast. I see stuff like Home Shopping Network and various specialty channels that broadcast old game shows, movies, etc. Much of these are available on streaming equipment (smart TVs, ROKU, etc.) for free, but I suppose that's still a revenue stream for stations to host these channels. My local PBS station has PBS Kids on one of their subchannels.
None of them have my Disney pals (save for ABC airing occasional stuff during special occasions)…
 
Has anyone notice issues with sound not matching the video? On my cable I have seen several shows lately where the person is talking but the sound doesn't seem synchronized. Somewhat like watching an old movie where they did a poor job dubbing in the sound from a foreign language.
 
Well, yes and no.

1.0 allows for 19.39Mb. Most stations are providing 3-4 (we have one here doing 8!) "sub channels" Each channel has it's own dedicated bandwidth. Most stations started ATSC 1.0 with just one, maybe two channels. As encoding got better, they were able to add more and more channels to their stream.

3.0 allows for 57Mb! So yes, they will be able to put more "subchannels" on OR allow more bandwidth for each channel (if you're watching OTA 1.0 for things like the Superbowl or AGT, or something that has a lot of motion/confetti, you'll see macroblocking... that's because that individual channel is "bit starved"... not enough of a pipe to fit all of the data).

Eliminating 1.0 will NOT give a station more bandwidth. It will just "turn off".

1.0 & 3.0 signals each take up ~6Mhz of broadcast space.

Am I misunderstanding? Won't there be some spectrum freed up or something those lines once ATSC 1.0 is shut off?
 
Don't forget, ABC only own eight stations. Those are they only ones they get to decide what channels air. All the others would need to make a deal with Disney to air that programming on a subchannel.
I would imagine Allen Media Group, Cox Media Group and Hearst Media doing those said deals since they own stations where there’s a Disney property (WFTV serves WDW, WJCL serves Disney’s Hilton Head Island, WPBF serves Disney’s Vero Beach, and KITV serves Aulani).
 





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