You must be swift as the coursing river (as long as it's the Lazy River) - comments welcome
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LSUlakes
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My buddy had the same thing last week. Must be something going around on a large scale. Typically stomach bugs are more of a local / reginal level. It was 2-3 days for him. Hope your back to 100% soon and good luck with the rest of your training for the MCM!!I went to bed feeling perfectly normal and woke up with a stomach bug. I spent most of the day sleeping when not communing with my toilet.
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Marathon training week 7 | 63 days until Marine Corps Marathon
In which I never really liked those quads anyway
Monday
off
Since I didn't do any exercise, I have no notes and therefore no idea what happened.
Tuesday
Easy/hill strides: 6.3 miles (9:51), avg. HR 150, max 181, 90% Z1-2, T+D~130
Upper body strength
Not a bad run. The temperature cooled off quite a bit Monday evening, so it was a lot more pleasant than last week. I was feeling a little tired still but pretty much normal.
Wednesday
Workout: 6 x 5 min M/3 min T/1 min CV/2 min + 6 x 30s hard/90s
12 miles, avg. HR 165, max 186, T+D~140
Lower body strength
I decided to move things around a bit and do some progression intervals instead of my planned workout. I wanted to feel a little more prepared going into a time trial. This one seemed like a similar amount of work without any particular performance pressure.
Because I moved the workout from week 10 to week 7, I figured I could just do 5 reps if necessary. But when I finished rep 5, I felt like 6 would be tough but doable. I decided it was a good time for a little supercompensation, so I went for it. And it was fine.
Looking back at the lap splits, the M efforts are pretty consistent, T is a little less consistent but okay, and then CV is all over the place.
I think this last might just be measurement error; I'm pretty sure I was at least faster than the T portions. 
Thursday
Recovery: 6.4 miles (10:28), avg. HR 141, max 154, 100% Z1-2, T+D~125
My legs were tired. Go figure. The weather was pretty decent, though.
Friday
Easy/strides: 6.8 miles (9:36), avg. HR 155, max 186, 75% Z1-2, T+D~135
Core
I was pokey getting out and then ran a little too hard once I got there. Also I did the strides kind of in the middle of the run, which did not help with keeping my HR down.
Saturday
No downhill left behind: 12.1 miles (9:56), avg. HR 159, max 180, T+D~130-135
PT exercises
No Downhill Left Behind is like No Uphill Left Behind but backwards. You would think that would make it more fun, but it mostly just makes it harder. Running uphill is kind of hard no matter what pace you're going, and then you're also working on the downhills, so it's basically all kind of hard.
Why do it if it's so much harder? I think one reason my legs got tired so early at MCM last year was because of the early downhills. In theory, it only takes a few hard downhill workouts to build up resilience in your muscles, so that's what I'm trying to do here. I plan to do a couple more of these before the race. They have to be in weeks where I don't have a long run workout, though, because that would definitely be too much "hard" for one week.
Anyway, I ended up with an average pace of about 10 min/mile, but the spread was ridiculous. I was going about 6-7 min/mile on the downhills and 12-13 on the uphills. It didn't help that I started out not feeling great - even those 12-13 min miles were pushing over the edge of Z2 at times. I was thinking I might do some hill strides at the end, but my legs were dead.
See what I mean?
I did manage to struggle through my PT exercises later, but I did a little less than usual and mostly bodyweight.
Sunday
Long: 18.1 miles (10:04), avg. HR 152, max 161, 98% Z1-2, T+D~135-140
I actually think that went pretty well considering I trashed my legs on Saturday. Did it feel good? No. I definitely struggled the last few miles in particular. But I did it, and it even stayed mostly easy (at least aerobically) except for a couple of hills.
This run brought to you by lots of carbs (261g) and a couple of stops to refill my soft flasks.
Totals
Running: 10h 3m, 61.9 miles
Strength/mobility: 1h 42m
Total: 11h 45m
I think this is my highest-mileage week yet? (Not counting the week I ran Monday to Sunday because of a tune-up race.) I ran 30 miles in the last two days.
It's good that the weather was cooler or I would not have made it.
Coming up
I have a lighter mid-week workout (hills are never easy, but we're talking like 15 minutes of hard work here) and then a monster long run workout. I am not actually sure this is possible - I might end up shortening the last rep out of necessity. But we'll see how it goes. At least the weather should still be pretty good!
Marathon training week 7 | 63 days until Marine Corps Marathon
In which I never really liked those quads anyway
Monday
off
Since I didn't do any exercise, I have no notes and therefore no idea what happened.
Tuesday
Easy/hill strides: 6.3 miles (9:51), avg. HR 150, max 181, 90% Z1-2, T+D~130
Upper body strength
Not a bad run. The temperature cooled off quite a bit Monday evening, so it was a lot more pleasant than last week. I was feeling a little tired still but pretty much normal.
Wednesday
Workout: 6 x 5 min M/3 min T/1 min CV/2 min + 6 x 30s hard/90s
12 miles, avg. HR 165, max 186, T+D~140
Lower body strength
I decided to move things around a bit and do some progression intervals instead of my planned workout. I wanted to feel a little more prepared going into a time trial. This one seemed like a similar amount of work without any particular performance pressure.
Because I moved the workout from week 10 to week 7, I figured I could just do 5 reps if necessary. But when I finished rep 5, I felt like 6 would be tough but doable. I decided it was a good time for a little supercompensation, so I went for it. And it was fine.
Looking back at the lap splits, the M efforts are pretty consistent, T is a little less consistent but okay, and then CV is all over the place.
I think this last might just be measurement error; I'm pretty sure I was at least faster than the T portions. Thursday
Recovery: 6.4 miles (10:28), avg. HR 141, max 154, 100% Z1-2, T+D~125
My legs were tired. Go figure. The weather was pretty decent, though.
Friday
Easy/strides: 6.8 miles (9:36), avg. HR 155, max 186, 75% Z1-2, T+D~135
Core
I was pokey getting out and then ran a little too hard once I got there. Also I did the strides kind of in the middle of the run, which did not help with keeping my HR down.
Saturday
No downhill left behind: 12.1 miles (9:56), avg. HR 159, max 180, T+D~130-135
PT exercises
No Downhill Left Behind is like No Uphill Left Behind but backwards. You would think that would make it more fun, but it mostly just makes it harder. Running uphill is kind of hard no matter what pace you're going, and then you're also working on the downhills, so it's basically all kind of hard.
Why do it if it's so much harder? I think one reason my legs got tired so early at MCM last year was because of the early downhills. In theory, it only takes a few hard downhill workouts to build up resilience in your muscles, so that's what I'm trying to do here. I plan to do a couple more of these before the race. They have to be in weeks where I don't have a long run workout, though, because that would definitely be too much "hard" for one week.
Anyway, I ended up with an average pace of about 10 min/mile, but the spread was ridiculous. I was going about 6-7 min/mile on the downhills and 12-13 on the uphills. It didn't help that I started out not feeling great - even those 12-13 min miles were pushing over the edge of Z2 at times. I was thinking I might do some hill strides at the end, but my legs were dead.
See what I mean?
I did manage to struggle through my PT exercises later, but I did a little less than usual and mostly bodyweight.
Sunday
Long: 18.1 miles (10:04), avg. HR 152, max 161, 98% Z1-2, T+D~135-140
I actually think that went pretty well considering I trashed my legs on Saturday. Did it feel good? No. I definitely struggled the last few miles in particular. But I did it, and it even stayed mostly easy (at least aerobically) except for a couple of hills.
This run brought to you by lots of carbs (261g) and a couple of stops to refill my soft flasks.
Totals
Running: 10h 3m, 61.9 miles
Strength/mobility: 1h 42m
Total: 11h 45m
I think this is my highest-mileage week yet? (Not counting the week I ran Monday to Sunday because of a tune-up race.) I ran 30 miles in the last two days.
It's good that the weather was cooler or I would not have made it.Coming up
I have a lighter mid-week workout (hills are never easy, but we're talking like 15 minutes of hard work here) and then a monster long run workout. I am not actually sure this is possible - I might end up shortening the last rep out of necessity. But we'll see how it goes. At least the weather should still be pretty good!
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Gotta love this cooler bout of weather we've been getting!
I know that this is something to work on. I did some downhill speed work a couple years ago...it was REALLY hard on my knees, especially on pavement, and I pulled the plug on doing them sooner than planned. Maybe my grade was too much. Just a thought.
That's a lot of miles this week!
I know that this is something to work on. I did some downhill speed work a couple years ago...it was REALLY hard on my knees, especially on pavement, and I pulled the plug on doing them sooner than planned. Maybe my grade was too much. Just a thought.
That's a lot of miles this week!
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Oh yeah, downhill work would be really rough on any joint issues.
These hills are probably about a 4-6% grade, so nothing too crazy.
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Marathon training week 8 | 56 days until Marine Corps Marathon
In which the continued perfect weather in August seems suspicious
Monday
Yoga
I'm sure it was fine.
Tuesday
Easy/strides: 7.1 miles (9:39), avg. HR 152, max 186, 84% Z1-2, T+D~120
Upper body strength
The weather was nice, but my legs felt heavy. Actually I just felt heavy generally. Probably leftover fatigue from a big week last week and especially last weekend.
Wednesday
Workout:12 11? x hill repeats + 1.9 miles steady
7.9 miles, avg. HR 154, max 185, T+D~115
Lower body strength
Hill repeats are the worst.
Sandbags: While the weather was still nice, my legs, and the rest of me, were also still tired. My problem tendons were also quite cranky when I started, though they did loosen up.
I put 12 reps in the schedule because apparently I hate myself. I wanted to quit after 6. (Well, I wanted to quit 10 seconds into the first one, but by 6, my legs were also dying.) I forced myself to do four more, which turned out to be five more because apparently I had trouble pushing the lap button. After 10 (which was actually 11 but I didn't know that at the time), I was done. I did a pathetic steady run most of the way back and then jogged it in once I got to the narrow sidewalks. Fun, fun times.
Thursday
Recovery: 6.1 miles (10:28), avg. HR 143, max 160, 99% Z1-2, T+D~120
My tendons were okay. My right quad was a bit sore, but my left quad was not, which seemed a little odd, but whatever. Overall, the run went fine, but my legs were feeling heavy starting about halfway through. Someday I am going to get my iron tested...
Friday
Easy/strides: 6.7 miles (9:43), avg. HR 148, max 177, 92% Z1-2, T+D~120
Core
Consistently nice weather in August feels like a trap somehow. Does this mean September is going to be really hot again?
Saturday
No uphill left behind: 11.9 miles (9:39 | 9:21 GAP), avg. HR 150, max 174, T+D~120-130
PT exercises
I was originally thinking I'd do a progression for my medium-long adventure, but then I remembered that Sunday's workout was going to be really hard, so I decided to do No Uphill Left Behind instead. It's not really easier in the moment, but it probably does less muscle damage.
I actually felt pretty good for the most part. Possibly this was just in comparison with No Downhill Left Behind last week. I did a few hill strides at the end.
Sunday
Long: 3 x 3 miles HM/2 min
14.4 miles, avg. HR 162, max 180, T+D~110-120
Still weirdly nice out, and despite my earlier trepidation, this workout actually felt doable. Not easy, but I also didn't feel like I was dying. My guess is that when I was running at HM pace previously, the effort was higher, so at HM effort, even with more volume, it's feasible. And the reps got faster throughout the workout, so that's good. Though I'm kind of hoping this is more like M pace when race day comes around, so...you win some, you lose some.
Also possible that the caffeine from my first gel kicked in during rep 2/3 and that's why I got faster. That and 185g of carbs in two hours will get you places.
Totals
Running: 8h 33m, 54.2 miles
Strength/mobility: 2h 18m
Total: 10h 52m
Halfway through the program, I feel like it's finally starting to come together. (This may also be the improved conditions, though.) Let's hope things continue to gel. And no further injuries/illnesses, universe!
Coming up
More hills! Yay....
All this hill work better be accomplishing something. Lord knows I'm not doing it for fun.
Marathon training week 8 | 56 days until Marine Corps Marathon
In which the continued perfect weather in August seems suspicious
Monday
Yoga
I'm sure it was fine.
Tuesday
Easy/strides: 7.1 miles (9:39), avg. HR 152, max 186, 84% Z1-2, T+D~120
Upper body strength
The weather was nice, but my legs felt heavy. Actually I just felt heavy generally. Probably leftover fatigue from a big week last week and especially last weekend.
Wednesday
Workout:
7.9 miles, avg. HR 154, max 185, T+D~115
Lower body strength
Hill repeats are the worst.
Sandbags: While the weather was still nice, my legs, and the rest of me, were also still tired. My problem tendons were also quite cranky when I started, though they did loosen up.
I put 12 reps in the schedule because apparently I hate myself. I wanted to quit after 6. (Well, I wanted to quit 10 seconds into the first one, but by 6, my legs were also dying.) I forced myself to do four more, which turned out to be five more because apparently I had trouble pushing the lap button. After 10 (which was actually 11 but I didn't know that at the time), I was done. I did a pathetic steady run most of the way back and then jogged it in once I got to the narrow sidewalks. Fun, fun times.
Thursday
Recovery: 6.1 miles (10:28), avg. HR 143, max 160, 99% Z1-2, T+D~120
My tendons were okay. My right quad was a bit sore, but my left quad was not, which seemed a little odd, but whatever. Overall, the run went fine, but my legs were feeling heavy starting about halfway through. Someday I am going to get my iron tested...
Friday
Easy/strides: 6.7 miles (9:43), avg. HR 148, max 177, 92% Z1-2, T+D~120
Core
Consistently nice weather in August feels like a trap somehow. Does this mean September is going to be really hot again?
Saturday
No uphill left behind: 11.9 miles (9:39 | 9:21 GAP), avg. HR 150, max 174, T+D~120-130
PT exercises
I was originally thinking I'd do a progression for my medium-long adventure, but then I remembered that Sunday's workout was going to be really hard, so I decided to do No Uphill Left Behind instead. It's not really easier in the moment, but it probably does less muscle damage.
I actually felt pretty good for the most part. Possibly this was just in comparison with No Downhill Left Behind last week. I did a few hill strides at the end.
Sunday
Long: 3 x 3 miles HM/2 min
14.4 miles, avg. HR 162, max 180, T+D~110-120
Still weirdly nice out, and despite my earlier trepidation, this workout actually felt doable. Not easy, but I also didn't feel like I was dying. My guess is that when I was running at HM pace previously, the effort was higher, so at HM effort, even with more volume, it's feasible. And the reps got faster throughout the workout, so that's good. Though I'm kind of hoping this is more like M pace when race day comes around, so...you win some, you lose some.
Also possible that the caffeine from my first gel kicked in during rep 2/3 and that's why I got faster. That and 185g of carbs in two hours will get you places.
Totals
Running: 8h 33m, 54.2 miles
Strength/mobility: 2h 18m
Total: 10h 52m
Halfway through the program, I feel like it's finally starting to come together. (This may also be the improved conditions, though.) Let's hope things continue to gel. And no further injuries/illnesses, universe!
Coming up
More hills! Yay....
All this hill work better be accomplishing something. Lord knows I'm not doing it for fun.
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Agreed...I'm waiting for the other weather-related shoe to drop because this has seemed too good to be true.
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