You had a great pep rally for W on the other thread, but...

[Jynohn]

I'm voting for him because he is a man with morals and conviction and I admire his willingness to stick to his beliefs, despite all the criticism and hatred that he has endured from those who disagree with him.

I'm voting for him because he'll keep more of my hard earned money in my pocket. I would like to choose the charities I donate to, I don't need politicians telling me who deserves my money more than I do.

I'm voting for him because I honestly believe America will be a safer place with him in office.

Most importantaly, I'm voting for him because my husband, and the other 55 men in his unit who are putting their lives on the line for this country, believe they will be safer, and our families better taken care of, with him in office.

 

[Kendra17]

Originally posted by auntpolly
Here's my point -- I want to know what Bush has done or you feel he will do that makes you want to cast your vote for him. Personally, I think not liking Teresa is not an answer to this question. And sorry, I think it's catty when we criticize women for behavior that we allow (or even praise) in men every day of the year.

I really doubt that we'd be defending Bush if he told a reporter to shove it after asking a question or calling nonsupporters idiots, or anything else of the sort. Though, of course, I'd still vote for him.

I do think that you are right that there is sexism involved. Boy, I'll get flamed, here. . .but, well, uh. . .

There IS a difference in standard of behavior, like it or not. I know the characteristics I admire in my husband are not necessarily ones I would admire in my mother, for instance. There ARE things that are more appealing in men than in women and others that are more appealing in women than in men. And, that's not a criticism or belittlement of women, by any means.

I would vote for a woman president in a minute (Condoleeza Rice comes to mind), but she absolutely has the same grace and elegance laura does--that teresa and Hilary Clinton lack.

Just a thought or two. . . .

 

[auntpolly]

Originally posted by Kendra17


There IS a difference in standard of behavior, like it or not.

I'm too speechless to flame you.

 

[vacationman]

I am voting for President Bush because:

1. I believe he is the best choice from a moral standpoint;

2. I don't want to pay more in taxes than I already do;

3. I want my family to be safe from terrorists and I believe President Bush stands as our best chance to prevent further attacks;

4. I belive in folks helping themselves rather than becomming dependant on the government;

5. I like Pres. Bush's track record as President versus the Senate record of John Kerry;

6. As a veteran, I resent what Kerry did when he returned from Vietnam;

That's enough.

 

[Kendra17]

Originally posted by auntpolly
I'm too speechless to flame you.

Okay, well, what I'm about to say isn't criticism or sarcasm. . .IF you decide you are no longer speechless, then please try to still not flame me. . .okay? I'd appreciate it. Meanwhile, if someone else wants to try to explain the point I'm trying to express--since I don't think I did a perfect job--I'd very much appreciate it.

Thanks!

 

[auntpolly]

Originally posted by Kendra17
. . .IF you decide you are no longer speechless, then please try to still not flame me.
Thanks!

I just don't know what to say when women say something like you've said -- I am honestly too sad to flame you. This is the reason that it will be difficult to elect a woman...if all people care about is their ladylike tea time behaviour.

 

[Disney Enthusiast]

Originally posted by vacationman
I am voting for President Bush because:

1. I believe he is the best choice from a moral standpoint;

2. I don't want to pay more in taxes than I already do;

3. I want my family to be safe from terrorists and I believe President Bush stands as our best chance to prevent further attacks;

4. I belive in folks helping themselves rather than becomming dependant on the government;

5. I like Pres. Bush's track record as President versus the Senate record of John Kerry;

6. As a veteran, I resent what Kerry did when he returned from Vietnam;

That's enough.

Well said.

I don't want to pay more taxes either.

I forgot to mention earlier that I really like the idea of people helping themselves rather than depending on the gov't for everything. Sort of what Bill Cosby was saying to all of our youth recently. By empowering our citizens to pursue happiness and be successful thru hard work and education, we will inevitably improve the quality of life for all of us. You know... Give a man a fish... blah blah blah... but teach a man to fish.......

The track records do speak for themselves IMHO.

And I am not a veteran, but I also resent what Kerry did when he returned from Vietnam.

By the way, in case no one has mentioned it recently, thank you so much for sacrificing for our country. I am sure I am speaking for the rest of us on this thread when I tell you how much we all appreciate you.

 

[peachgirl]

There IS a difference in standard of behavior, like it or not.

Apparently there is for you, but not everyone believes that women should have to behave any differently than men. But, just because you have those biases, doesn't mean the whole world does and that it's something we have to accept as just the way it is.

That's called being sexist, and it's not a good thing.

 

[WeirdEyes]

I forgot to mention earlier that I really like the idea of people helping themselves rather than depending on the gov't for everything. Sort of what Bill Cosby was saying to all of our youth recently. By empowering our citizens to pursue happiness and be successful thru hard work and education, we will inevitably improve the quality of life for all of us. You know... Give a man a fish... blah blah blah... but teach a man to fish.......

Amen!

 

[AllyandJack]

Originally posted by Kendra17
Okay, well, what I'm about to say isn't criticism or sarcasm. . .IF you decide you are no longer speechless, then please try to still not flame me. . .okay? I'd appreciate it. Meanwhile, if someone else wants to try to explain the point I'm trying to express--since I don't think I did a perfect job--I'd very much appreciate it.

Thanks!

In some cultures, they would have her killed for speaking to a man that way. It is sad, but when you're the First Lady, you will have to deal with cultures like that. That doesn't make it RIGHT, but it's a fact of life. Just because we (well...most of us) accept that behavior from a woman doesn't mean it's appropriate of a First Lady. I'm sure she would have advisors letting her know to cool it if the situation arose.

 

[Kendra17]

Originally posted by auntpolly
I just don't know what to say when women say something like you've said -- I am honestly too sad to flame you. This is the reason that it will be difficult to elect a woman...if all people care about is their ladylike tea time behaviour.

Oh, I see. . .that's how you interpreted my comment. No, I didn't mean that at all.

I meant displaying 'Grace under Pressure". this is an attribute that is distinctly attractive in both men and women. . .

And, by the way, maybe I worded that incorrectly.

However, I still think that despite what SHOULD be the case (as in having the exact same expectations for both men and women), it is actually not the case presently--unfortunately or fortunately.

Also, I'm thinking about when Cheney and kerry used the "f" word. We can dismiss that, pretty much, but I do think it would be more difficult to dismiss that from Teresa or Laura, for instance? It would be completely unbecoming. Fair? no. Sexist? Yes. A fact of life in our current society? I believe so.

JMHO

 

[Disney Enthusiast]

Originally posted by Jynohn
Most importantaly, I'm voting for him because my husband, and the other 55 men in his unit who are putting their lives on the line for this country, believe they will be safer, and our families better taken care of, with him in office.

Thank you to you and your family from the bottom of my heart for sacrificing so much to protect us. Just wanted you to know.

 

[auntpolly]

Originally posted by Kendra17
Oh, I see. . .that's how you interpreted my comment. No, I didn't mean that at all.

I meant displaying 'Grace under Pressure". this is an attribute that is distinctly attractive in both men and women. . .

And, by the way, maybe I worded that incorrectly.

You said that "there is a difference in standard and behaviour "-- and then you said "for both men and women". Which did you mean? Which is worded incorrectly?

You know what -- never mind. It has nothing to do with the topic and I'm hijacking my own thread. I still think this is not a reason to vote for Bush, but if it is someone's reason, who am I to say? Really, anyone's reason is none of my business.

 

[Kendra17]

Originally posted by auntpolly
You said that "there is a difference in standard and behaviour "-- and then you said "for both men and women". Which did you mean? Which is worded incorrectly?

You know what -- never mind. It has nothing to do with the topic and I'm hijacking my own thread. I still think this is not a reason to vote for Bush, but if it is someone's reason, who am I to say? Really, anyone's reason is none of my business.

Okay, i'm sorry. . .I didn't mean to hijack your thread. . . I do think I clarified that in my last post though.

Whether there SHOULD be a different standard or not, there IS in fact, a different standard. And, maybe that's a good thing; maybe not.

The "f" word example is a good example. We have accepted it and dismissed it for both Kerry and Cheney. If Laura or Teresa said something like that, though, it would be really bothersome. I'm not saying that the standard is good; I don't think anyone should have used the 'f' word (although I can accept Cheney's use of it sooner than Kerry's due to the nature of its context).

Is this a holdover from the old days? Quite possibly. And, I'm not defending this. I'm just stating that it is a fact of life in our society. . .right or wrong. If you don't share this opinion, that's quite alright. I'm not even defending this standard. . .just noticing its existence.

 

[GoofItUp]

Most importantaly, I'm voting for him because my husband, and the other 55 men in his unit who are putting their lives on the line for this country, believe they will be safer, and our families better taken care of, with him in office.

Thank you, your family, and your husband for what he is doing for me and millions of others in our country and around the world. This is another reason I'm voting for Bush!

 

[cati]

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[MikeB63]

Besides the fact that his beliefs and ideals are much closer to my own, I am voting for him because of the possible affect on the judicial system. IMO judicial activism is one of the biggest threats to our society. The Supreme Court has usurped the legislative process from our legislators. Bush's promise to appoint judges who apply the law and do not impart their beliefs in the decisions placed before them is exactly what I want to see.

I also wish to thank anyone reading these boards who have family serving this country for their sacrifice.

 

[snarfer1]

Originally posted by peachgirl
Apparently there is for you, but not everyone believes that women should have to behave any differently than men. But, just because you have those biases, doesn't mean the whole world does and that it's something we have to accept as just the way it is.

That's called being sexist, and it's not a good thing.

Dear PG you really should not be calling names! Your original reply started out great, dealing with the right of everyone to have a different belief, and then, as usual you dismiss anyone who's beliefs don't march in lockstep with you!

According to PG it is now sexist to state your personal beliefs, and be honest enough to say there ARE some different characteristics between men and women?

Oh please, for once read a post, and stop this name calling. Your efforts, especially with the Kerry Campaign/CBS connection will not get Kerry elected!

What K17 clearly stated (and for you too Aunt Poly) is that in her opinion, the sexes have some different characteristics, and in her personal life, she is glad of that. If I were to guess (correct me if I'm wrong K17) she is glad that her husband is not a whinny, mean spirited, elitest witch like Ms. Heinz.

However, she never said women don't deserve the same pay for the same job, nor that there are certain jobs women can't perform, nor that women must stay home and breed.... That would be sexest.

What she said is that she admires a woman with class (her definition may be diferent than yours) but that is clearly not sexest.

And I'm speachless and really sad for both of you, who are so obviously insecure in your own-self worth, that you need to 'attack' anyone with a different opinion (which as I have always stated and believe sincerely, is a Democratic Supporter's primary characteristic).

Everyone has certain characteristics with different degrees of expression of that characteristic. That is why Baskin Robins sells 31 flavors, so that each of us can get what we like. Some men like to be submissive, Some women like to be dominate, many people don't care and just live their lives. There is a place for all of us. The irony here is why do the Republicans have to preach tolerance? Remember, the party you so love blocked all civil rights legislation in the 50s and 60s.

So that's called being ignorant, and that is both a sad and mean-spirited thing!

Tony

 

[snarfer1]

Originally posted by Jynohn
I'm voting for him because he is a man with morals and conviction and I admire his willingness to stick to his beliefs, despite all the criticism and hatred that he has endured from those who disagree with him.

I'm voting for him because he'll keep more of my hard earned money in my pocket. I would like to choose the charities I donate to, I don't need politicians telling me who deserves my money more than I do.

I'm voting for him because I honestly believe America will be a safer place with him in office.

Most importantaly, I'm voting for him because my husband, and the other 55 men in his unit who are putting their lives on the line for this country, believe they will be safer, and our families better taken care of, with him in office.

On behalf of my family. I want to thank your family, your husband, and his unit for protecting us.

G-d Bless.

Tony

 

[ThAnswr]

Originally posted by Kendra17
Oh, However, I still think that despite what SHOULD be the case (as in having the exact same expectations for both men and women), it is actually not the case presently--unfortunately or fortunately.

And will continue to be the case as long as you accept the double standard.