Yet another teacher rant

C.Ann said:
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I guess it all depends on your view of humiliation.. I don't consider humiliation a good thing - and I have never seen it proven to be a form of "motivation" for anyone - adult or child..

But I agree with you. I guess we all have different opinions on what constitutes "humiliation". Being told that you have to finish your work or you'll never get into college or whatever it was exactly, does not sound like "humiliation" to me. It sounds like typical strict teacher sort of talk. I guess it is hard to really know without being there how it was all said.
 
I've only just now "jumped in and read all of the messages" and it's somewhat encouraging to read the responses from those of you who are presently in the teaching "world." My 25 yr old daughter is in her third year of teaching and has really been having a discouraging year so far. She's got a class of 5th graders and literally has very, very little to no parental support. These parents don't return calls, don't show up for conferences/meetings, and don't seem to think their own children are having any trouble whatsoever.
Yesterday she mentioned a student that had been out of school for over a week and never turned in any of the homework they had missed. When the report card reflected the missed work (a very low grade), the mom called and my daughter told her about the missed homework assignments...the mom actually said to my daughter, "He told me that his homework was optional." My daughter's response was, "You believed him?" She told me she really wanted to yell, "And you really believed that, you idiot!"
I've really been praying for her and her entire class this whole year. As a mom, I hate to see her see "down". :guilty: She's even contemplating a career change, which is sad, because she reaaly is a good and caring teacher...
 
C.Ann said:
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$34,000 after 5 years? My best friends son spent his first year of teaching in NC and was making $42,000.. :confused3

Don't know how that's possible; here is the salary breakdown for NC:
http://www.ncpublicschools.org/salary_admin/salsched05-06.pdf
1st year teachers (0 experience) with BA: $25,510
5th year teachers with Masters degree: $34,350

Yes, there are places that pay supplements for you to teach in the inner city schools, and I've done that, but it's $2,500 additional for the 1st year, and nothing extra after that. Your friend's son may have been exaggerating.

Cheers!
Heather W
 

I just got called a Nazi by a parent for my make-up policy. Report cards got sent home two weeks ago and the mom is just now calling and asking why her son didn't pass.

My policy is that you do the make-up for your other classes first, then you worry about mine. Just hand the work in at least two days before the end of the quarter. If you are absent those two day then I put those grades on the next term's averages.

BTW, I called the mother three days before the end of last term and let her know her son needed to turn in his make up work the next day. She said okay he will have it. When I called her at the end of the next day to tell her he did not turn in his work but I would accept it the next day she said okay. She didn't return my call the third day.

The teacher was wrong in the case of the OP. I would never purposefully hurt a student's feelings. Sometimes, however, it does happen because I am human and I make mistakes as well. I will admit my mistake apologize to the student.
 
hmp2z said:
Don't know how that's possible; here is the salary breakdown for NC:
http://www.ncpublicschools.org/salary_admin/salsched05-06.pdf
1st year teachers (0 experience) with BA: $25,510
5th year teachers with Masters degree: $34,350

Yes, there are places that pay supplements for you to teach in the inner city schools, and I've done that, but it's $2,500 additional for the 1st year, and nothing extra after that. Your friend's son may have been exaggerating.

Cheers!
Heather W
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Hmmm...that's interesting because he chose NC rather than doing his first year in New York because the pay was higher (and from what I understand, NY pays quite well).. He didn't have friends there - knew absolutely no one there - so I don't know why he would have gone if the pay wasn't higher.. Maybe it was a private school? :confused3 I know he also coached as well, but I don't know if the schools pay for that or not..
 
C.Ann said:
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Hmmm...that's interesting because he chose NC rather than doing his first year in New York because the pay was higher (and from what I understand, NY pays quite well).. He didn't have friends there - knew absolutely no one there - so I don't know why he would have gone if the pay wasn't higher.. Maybe it was a private school? :confused3 I know he also coached as well, but I don't know if the schools pay for that or not..


Yes, coaches often get supplemental pay.
 
punkin said:
I'm shocked at some of the responses. I am outraged at what one particular teacher did in one particular situation and all of a sudden I am accused of bashing all teachers and my "little angel" is a liar and has me "whipped."

I think maybe some of you should not be teaching if you have so little respect for your students and their parents.


I think the majority of teachers are good and respect the students and their parents.

You say maybe some should not be teaching, and I'll agree with you there.If you don't like the kids or your job anymore, you need to get out of it. However, there are also parents who are doing a poor job and maybe some of them never should have become parents either.
 
lilostitch said:
You say maybe some should not be teaching, and I'll agree with you there.If you don't like the kids or your job anymore, you need to get out of it. However, there are also parents who are doing a poor job and maybe some of them never should have become parents either.

Oooooooooooooooooooh, good point!!! :) :) :)
 
Wishing on a star said:
They are all perfect you know... and you can never question them.


To the person who says, "can you imagine a thread about any other group that is titled "Yet another ______ rant". I would ask, just why is it that there are so many complaints??? We entrust our children to teachers everyday, but they don't want to be held accountable???? We have no right to question anything????

Of course you can question them, I don't think ANYONE is implying that you can't. It is the way that it is done that most of us have a problem with. Get both sides of the story before going in guns blazing. Just look at the "father of the year" who punched the teacher that his daughter says "touched her inappropriately". Well, "my daughter doesn't lie", and guess what, it turns out she does! http://www.tampabays10.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=24397

What most people are saying is that those of us who work in schools take teacher complaints with a grain of salt. We need more details before going against and blaming the teacher. All sides of the story are relevant, not just the student's.
 
lilostitch said:
Yes, coaches often get supplemental pay.


When I was coaching high school basketball my "pay" worked out to about 39 cents/hour.
 
golfgal said:
When I was coaching high school basketball my "pay" worked out to about 39 cents/hour.


I believe it! I think people only decide to coach because they LOVE it! The hours you have to put in are incredible.
 
C.Ann said:
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Hmmm...that's interesting because he chose NC rather than doing his first year in New York because the pay was higher (and from what I understand, NY pays quite well).. I don't know why he would have gone if the pay wasn't higher.. Maybe it was a private school? :confused3 I know he also coached as well, but I don't know if the schools pay for that or not..

Hehehe, I don't think I've ever in my life heard anyone claim that the teaching salary in a Southern state is higher than the teaching salary in NY. Honestly, I'm stupified at this assertion, and don't know what to say. You can see the link above, with teacher salaries, comes from the state Department of Public Instruction... They do pay supplements for coaching, but it's not a $17,000 pay difference - I have a friend who coaches & is also a 5th year teacher with a BA degree. His supplement brings him up to my salary, but no higher.
And if a private school had salaries that high, I have to wonder why they'd hire a first year teacher instead of the hundreds of experienced teachers that have to be banging down their door, hoping for a decent salary! So I really just don't know what to say about that one...
Hmmmm....
I'd love to know what school pays that well for first year teachers; I guarantee I'll be signed up for that district next year - all the staff at my school will jump ship and go to that private school :)
Cheers!
Heather W
 
hmp2z said:
I'd love to know what school pays that well for first year teachers; I guarantee I'll be signed up for that district next year - all the staff at my school will jump ship and go to that private school :)
Cheers!
Heather W
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If I get the chance to see him this summer (his parents had a summer place next to mine, but have moved to Florida now) I'll ask him and let you know.. :)
 
I'd love to know what school pays that well for first year teachers; I guarantee I'll be signed up for that district next year - all the staff at my school will jump ship and go to that private school :)
Cheers!
Heather W[/QUOTE]

I'd like to know too, because I'm in NC. I think the pay scale here starts at $27,000 for a BA degreed first year teacher. Mine was a little different because I am at a Montessori charter school. From what I hear, most private schools pay less than public.

Maybe he was adding in the difference in cost of living? There's a major difference there, especially in more rural areas. I live in a city very close to Chapel Hill and the mortgage on my 3 bedroom house in a safe, nice neighborhood is only $456! Doesn't take long for those kind of things to add up to big savings, so you can afford to make a little less. Plus, you can't put a price tag on the atmosphere and weather, LOL.

NC's governor is on the move to increase salaries to above the national average. Supposedly, this will happen by 2008. Can't happen soon enough. Manytimes its a thankless job. Most of us are kind people who would never think of humiliating a child. Our main goal is to help kids learn to live and live to learn.

Marsha

Marsha
 
hmp2z said:
Don't know how that's possible; here is the salary breakdown for NC:
http://www.ncpublicschools.org/salary_admin/salsched05-06.pdf
1st year teachers (0 experience) with BA: $25,510
5th year teachers with Masters degree: $34,350

Yes, there are places that pay supplements for you to teach in the inner city schools, and I've done that, but it's $2,500 additional for the 1st year, and nothing extra after that. Your friend's son may have been exaggerating.

Cheers!
Heather W

Maybe it was an exclusive private school? Maybe he also coached several sports? (Would have to be quite a few, unless their coaches make a LOT more than ours do, lol).


Wait...the public school teachers in NC have the same pay scale, across the districts? INTERESTING! Here, the pay scales vary quite a bit. The city nearby where every student is GIVEN a laptop (and expected to use it for taking notes in class, etc) in 7th grade obviously has more money than any of the neighboring districts. Their taxes are higher for sure, (to pay for all the laptops? :rotfl2: ) and the teachers make more than the cities with teachers on the brink of striking. DH says he wouldn't want to teach there...that parents are much harder to deal with than high school students, and in a city like that the parents tend to treat the teachers like hired hands.

Oh, gotta tell this since it happened yesterday...dh called a parent to say that their son had cursed him out, and when corrected, just cursed him out louder, in class. The dad said "Yeah, so?" Then he told dh, "you know, we pay taxes here so WE PAY YOUR PAYCHECK. You work for US." and hung up on dh. Wonder if teachers ever lose their tempers, and why?
 
taximomfor4 said:
Maybe it was an exclusive private school? Maybe he also coached several sports? (Would have to be quite a few, unless their coaches make a LOT more than ours do, lol).

I think the only way it could be done would be if he taught at a city (the cities have slightly higher supplements - see below), coached four sports, taught summer school and after school enrichment programs and received a signing bonus for teaching in an Equity Plus II school. If he did all that, I could maybe see it raising his salary by $17K (big, BIG maybe), but other than that, can't imagine it. BTW, we pay as much in rent here as we did when we lived in Astoria, NY, and the grocery bills are higher here, so I don't think the cost of living savings would be significant. We were actually able to save more, living in the city, b/c we didn't have to have cars. Metrocards are a LOT cheaper than gas & car insurance.

Usually the private schools pay less than the public ones, and if the pay is so high, I still would question why they would hire a first year teacher, with so many experienced ones available and desperately wanting to get into that school.


taximomfor4 said:
Wait...the public school teachers in NC have the same pay scale, across the districts?

They're not exactly the same; most are the state scale, but some, like the district I'm in, pay their own annual "supplement" to the salary. Mine is a whopping $900! The urban districts pay more, with Charlotte being the highest in the state, but that's only an additional $3400, not the $17,000 difference that could account for it. I am very skeptical of that number.


taximomfor4 said:
Then he told dh, "you know, we pay taxes here so WE PAY YOUR PAYCHECK. You work for US." and hung up on dh. Wonder if teachers ever lose their tempers, and why?

C'mon, who wouldn't want to be a teacher with parents like this! This goes back to my first point: everyone and his brother thinks they can tell teachers how to do their jobs. If some wacko tried to get into my husband's office at Wachovia to hassle him about the marketing research he's doing, he wouldn't get past security. But parents with a 6th grade education sail right into school, claiming that they're paying my salary, so I need to do what they tell me to, and if their darling lambykins tells them that she doesn't do her work because I'm a cruel person, then that's what they believe, because Lambykins doesn't lie. :rolleyes:

My personal favorite of the year was the parent who called the principal to complain that I was preaching to the children about Jesus, because that's what her son told her. My principal, knowing I'm Jewish, had a good laugh with me about that one... :rotfl2:

Or maybe it was the mother who burst into my clasroom in front of all my kids, shrieking and cursing me, because I had "humiliated" her spaghetti-strap wearing, cleavage showing, hot pants-clad daughter, by sending her to the office to get a change of clothing for being in violation of the dress code. Her daughter's ASTHMA is the reason why she has to wear clothes like that to school, and we shouldn't be humiliating an asthmatic child. :rolleyes1

I think I'm going to stop posting now, b/c I pretty much made my point in the first post, and now it's down to quibbling over semantics. It boils down to two opposing philosophies: those who respect teachers, campaign to raise their salaries, and treat us like professionals, and those who denigrate teachers, feel that their own children can do no wrong, and think that teachers should be grateful for the pittance we're paid. Unfortunately, as things now stand, the latter category make up the majority of taxpayers, at least here in the South - the numbers don't lie. One can always dream, and meanwhile, I'll keep on working with my 100+ kids, all of whom are lovable, even when misguided :)
Cheers!
Heather W
 
hmp2z said:
My personal favorite of the year was the parent who called the principal to complain that I was preaching to the children about Jesus, because that's what her son told her. My principal, knowing I'm Jewish, had a good laugh with me about that one... :rotfl2:

Or maybe it was the mother who burst into my clasroom in front of all my kids, shrieking and cursing me, because I had "humiliated" her spaghetti-strap wearing, cleavage showing, hot pants-clad daughter, by sending her to the office to get a change of clothing for being in violation of the dress code. Her daughter's ASTHMA is the reason why she has to wear clothes like that to school, and we shouldn't be humiliating an asthmatic child. :rolleyes1

Cheers!
Heather W

:rotfl2:

That's even funnier than the parent who called our principal to inform her that I am having an affair with one of the teachers. We even drive up the school together every day.

Of course I'm having an affair with this teadcher - he's my husband!
 
hmp2z said:
I think I'm going to stop posting now, b/c I pretty much made my point in the first post, and now it's down to quibbling over semantics. It boils down to two opposing philosophies: those who respect teachers, campaign to raise their salaries, and treat us like professionals, and those who denigrate teachers, feel that their own children can do no wrong, and think that teachers should be grateful for the pittance we're paid. Unfortunately, as things now stand, the latter category make up the majority of taxpayers, at least here in the South - the numbers don't lie. One can always dream, and meanwhile, I'll keep on working with my 100+ kids, all of whom are lovable, even when misguided :)
Cheers!
Heather W
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You'll find that same attitude in many professions: doctors; nurses; lawyers; firemen; policemen; - and in any profession, there are those who are good at what they do and those who are not.. A broad brush should never be used - as in "all" teachers are bad or "all" policemen are bad - but as with anything else, it's usually only the "bad" news that gets broadcasted all over the place.. My granddaughter has been fortunate in that all of her teachers have been wonderful - and hopefully they will all be that way - but there are no guarantees in life, so we'll just have to see what happens during the next 9 years.. ;)
 
hmp2z said:
C'mon, who wouldn't want to be a teacher with parents like this! This goes back to my first point: everyone and his brother thinks they can tell teachers how to do their jobs. If some wacko tried to get into my husband's office at Wachovia to hassle him about the marketing research he's doing, he wouldn't get past security. But parents with a 6th grade education sail right into school, claiming that they're paying my salary, so I need to do what they tell me to, and if their darling lambykins tells them that she doesn't do her work because I'm a cruel person, then that's what they believe, because Lambykins doesn't lie. :rolleyes:

On the other side of the coin, I get SO sick of my kids' teachers treating ME like I have a 6th grade education without even knowing me. I'm so tired of having to prove my intelligence AND education to them before they'll take a word I say seriously. It certainly won't kill them to listen to what I have to say. I know my child best and I've spent far more time researching his particular issues than they have. And no, I don't go in there acting like I'm telling them how to do their job, but how hard is it to admit that they don't know everything and they can possibly learn something new from a parent?

It goes both ways.
 


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