Yes, Virginia there is a Santa...

The Blue Fairy

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This has been a hard week for my eleven year old daughter. My brother, unknowingly, spilled the beans about Santa. My DD's heart was broken. I have, like many of you, worked hard to magically preserve the legend in our home. I guess maybe to a fault. I had no idea that she believed so strongly. I thought her friends might have planted a few seeds of doubt over the years. It was crushing, and I was deeply saddened for her. As for myself, I was looking forward to being Santa with my husband at least one more time...at Disney World this year! I have been heartsick about her shock and have cried a great deal with her...kinda an end to an era in her life. I am trying to think of a special way to decorate our room at the WL for Christmas. Does anyone have any sage advice on this topic? Thank you so much.


"It just hurts so much Mama, 'cause I want to believe that there is magic in the world."
--Livi
 
Well, I found out the truth about Santa when I was about 6. I woke up in the middle of the night to see if he'd been there (yes, I'm sneaky!), and the toys were there in our living room! Then I saw my mom & dad in the family room sipping wine. I was like, "huh??? why are mom and dad all relaxed and still awake when Santa was just here?" Then I realized the truth.

I woke up one of my older sisters (who is 5 years older than me and who already knew the truth) and told her that I had caught on.

Honestly, it made me appreciate my parents even more. It didn't destroy my childhood or scar me in any way. If anything, it kept me from doing what I had done in the past - waking up mom & dad way too early on Christmas morning to tell them what Santa had brought me. Instead I got to hug them a lot more and tell them how much I appreciated what *they* got me.

I guess as I got older (last year - hehe), there was a little disappointment that Santa wasn't bringing me toys anymore (he did until I was like 13, then the toys turned into electronics (Atari and stereos), money & clothes. I think at 11 she's probably getting scared of growing up, and maybe even has a fear that now that she knows there is not a real Santa, that Christmas morning won't be what it has in the past.

Perhaps you could assure her that Santa will still be coming to your house on Christmas, but that it's not some bearded guy in a suit, but her loving parents. I'm sure you'll make her Christmas just as wonderful as it's ever been.
 
Blue Fairy, I am with you. My middle DD is 11 and even though she still believed in Santa over a year ago, I think many friends have planted seeds of doubt over the months. I thought my 11yo was the oldest kid in the world to still believe...glad to know she wasn't the only one. I have a rule in my house and I have had to stress it with my 15yo. The fact that Santa doesn't exist is NEVER brought up in my house. I will NEVER tell my kids there is no Santa. If they have doubts themselves then so be it, but I tell them that Santa is in our hearts and if they (or anyone else) don't want to believe then I find it sad because they are truly missing out. I think part of this is your DD growing up, too. I specifically remember being 11 years old and feeling depressed because for the first time in my life I couldn't get excited about Christmas(this was Christmas Eve)...I sat on my mom's lap and cried while she explained to me that I wasn't a little girl anymore..I was growing up.

Stress to your daughter that there is magic in the world..its everywhere. Its in her heart most of all. You could always watch The Polar Express if you haven't already. I know she thinks(or knows) that Santa doesn't exist, but I think this movie is a wonderful one for making you believe in the "magic"..I walked out of the theatre almost believing that Santa really was out there. Yes, your daughter is growing up and nothing anyone can do can change the fact that she knows that Santa isn't real...I think that as Christmas approaches you do what you can to make it magic for her. Being at WDW is perfect. I'm sure others will come along with suggestions..I'm not too good at that myself, but I hoped what I did say will help a little bit...if nothing more than to let you know you(and your DD) aren't alone in how you feel

ETA: BTW, I HAVE directed both my girls to the "Yes Virginia" article and this is what I did when my DD11 started asking questions. I looked it up online and let her read it. I said nothing, and let her take it as she wanted to...
 
But is there really no Santa? Because Santa is a spirit and magic - and that does exist in the world.

Every year here at work, we work with the local police department and we purchase gifts for needy families. Presents like church dresses, beds, warm coats, and of course toys and dolls and such. The police officers deliver the presents, dressed as Santa of course. For those families, Santa is real.

Maybe send a Christmas care package to the Lodge - she can open it and help decorate the room after you check in? I am thinking string lights, a candle or room freshner that smells like pine or cookies, a few Christmas books, the Yes, Virginia letter . . .
 

My DS 9.5 recently confronted me about Santa. We were driving alone (w/o DH or DD7). He said that he knew we were "Santa". I was a little hesitant at first, but he is going into 5th grade and many of his friends have told him. I was surprised at his reaction. He asked how we were able to buy all those things? He also said that he wouldn't ask for so much anymore! I thought that was really sweet. I told him that he couldn't let his DSIS know and I think he will have fun playing up the "Santa" stuff with her. X-mas is still a magical time. It is the end of a special time, but it is the beginning of many more special times. After we had that conversation he turned to me and said, "well I guess the Easter Bunny isn't real either?" We had a good laugh about a giant bunny sneaking in our house to leave eggs! I agree that helping the people in need during this time, would make it a very memorable X-mas every year.
 
I agree with dizcrazy....sure there's no physical Santa but I have always believed in the magic of the season and the spirit and that's what Santa is all about. Maybe explaining it that way, your daughter won't be as sad....
 
Wow 11, I'm hoping for one more Christmas my dd just turned 8 will be going into 3rd grade. In 4th they move to another building 4-8 grades so I'm sure it will be over next Christmas. We are going the week after Thanksgiving I told my dh I wanted us to go while they still "believe", I wanted them to think it was actually Mickey Mouse and not a person in a costume, etc.

I like the idea of sending a package.
 
The Blue Fairy said:
This has been a hard week for my eleven year old daughter. My brother, unknowingly, spilled the beans about Santa. My DD's heart was broken. I have, like many of you, worked hard to magically preserve the legend in our home. I guess maybe to a fault. I had no idea that she believed so strongly. I thought her friends might have planted a few seeds of doubt over the years. It was crushing, and I was deeply saddened for her. As for myself, I was looking forward to being Santa with my husband at least one more time...at Disney World this year! I have been heartsick about her shock and have cried a great deal with her...kinda an end to an era in her life. I am trying to think of a special way to decorate our room at the WL for Christmas. Does anyone have any sage advice on this topic? Thank you so much.


"It just hurts so much Mama, 'cause I want to believe that there is magic in the world."
--Livi


Perhaps a little surprise from Santa delivered to your resort while you are there might help. Please PM me the name of the resort where you will be staying, the date you check in, the name your reservation will be under and your DD's name. Let me know if she has any particular things she's into. A little something from Santa will be waiting when you check in.
 
Wadda ya mean theres no Santa! :)



The Blue Fairy, lots and lots of hugs for your dd.
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Whatever you do, don't tell her that Prince Charming doesn't exist!
 
Okay, I read one thread where people are talking about the characters in the parks, as though they're not real, and now THIS? People, you're killing me with all this talk of people/animals not being real! :confused3

Anyway, my 5 YO DD has probably already had her last Christmas of believing in Santa, although she has never caught us "playing" Santa on Christmas Eve after her bedtime (complete with snow and ash boot prints going from our fireplace to the tree). She's already figured out the character situation (and informed me of this), so I figure Santa won't be very far behind. We'll just have to tell her that Santa represents the Christmas spirit.

Keep this in mind, though: even though I had "figured out" about Santa when I was about 5 or 6, I still pretended to buy the whole thing for another 5 or 6 years. I certainly didn't want to chance interrupting that Christmas morning bounty every year. ;)
 
I remember staying awake so as to catch my parents putting the gifts under the tree to PROVE to them that I was a 'big girl'. So they came into my room to check if I were sleeping, and my big sis tickled me under my arm as a 'test'. It was so hard not to laugh, but I grumbled and groaned and pulled my arm back, so they decided I was asleep.......but lying there, I suddenly realized that it was FUN for them to play Santa. I didn't want to rob them of that. So for a few years, I just played along.

I can't remember when my daughter started asking me about Santa....It's hard, cause other kids plant seeds and your kid doesn't want to be the only one not in the know. And my d expected that I would tell the truth always. So, I explained that Santa wasn't an actual 'person' but instead 'a spirit' and that we could carry that spirit in our hearts forever.

Finally, I heard from a friend with 3 boys that in her house:
"HE WHO BELIEVES, RECEIVES!"
I liked that so much that I told it to my daughter. So in our house, we ALL believed!

I'm sad that your little girl is so upset! But I think that explaining that Santa is in our hearts and in how willing we are to GIVE of ourselves w/o expecting reciprocity...is a beautiful way to 'transition' to the grown up version of Santa. I hope your brother is duly chastized! (tho it is hard to believe that an 11 year old didn't get the news from her peers years ago!)
 
The "Santa" that we hear about living at the North Pole may not be a real person, but that doesn't mean that Santa doesn't live within all of us. And that certainly doesn't mean that once we learn that there isn't one "Santa" that the magic goes out of Christmas.

You're daughter will be spending Christmas in the most magical place on earth. A place created for children by Walt Disney. Sounds like Walt could be Santa. You chose to take her to this magical place at a wonderful time of year. Sounds like you've got a big of Santa in you too.

And every year at the holidays, people everywhere donate food, toys, etc. so that someone else (in many cases a complete stranger) can enjoy a little magic. Sure sounds like Santa.

No, there isn't just one guy living in the North Pole (or maybe there is...I'm not about to travel up there to find out) with a wife, some elves and some flying reindeer...but hundreds of Santas all around the world delivering joy and love at the holidays. Teach your daughter about the spirit of Christmas...the spirit which spawned a holiday story about a bearded man in red. She doesn't need to be sad because she's lost "Santa"...because now, she can join the Santa club and spread some of that holiday spirit to the rest of the world.
 
It has been touching to read all of your experiences, thoughts and suggestions. I know it is hard to believe that an eleven year old could still strongly believe in existence of Santa. I suppose because she is so much older at hearing this news that it was so devastating. The bigger they are the harder they fall, I guess. She too, had doubts as a five year old. But, I fanned the flames of the Christmas Spirit to hold on a little longer. Livi told me that her friends would tell her that there was no Santa. But she didn't believe them. She said that she guessed that he didn't come to their homes anymore because they didn't believe. I told her that this Christmas would be special from now on because she now had graduated to the level of being a Santa's helper. She seemed delighted to have this new role. I also told her that Santa would still always come to our home. I had a similar experience as Tidus, after great discussion she peered at me through tears and said, "And the Easter Bunny isn't real either is he?" She also asked if God was real. Ouch.


Thank you all for your thoughts and concerns. Your support has meant a great deal to me.

Best Wishes!
 
The Xmas my oldest DD began to ask if Santa was "real" she cornered my nephew (then about 12 or 13, and a man of few words)...she asked him if he "really believed" in Santa and his reply was just "yep"....not satisfied with such a simple response she persisted and wanted to know "WHY do you believe in Santa" and his response with a sly little grin was "Cause when you quit believing in Santa he quits bringing you stuff" I always knew I loved that boy!! It was the perfect answer for her...it totally confused her for another 3 or 4 years!!)

I wouldn't worry....while the loss of childhood magic is always bittersweet, she will realize now that Christmas is magical in many other (and more important) ways... and she can now be part of the magic for someone else.

Help her to find someone that she can bring a little magic to now that she understands "the secret" of Christmas. And while the magic of childhood belief departs, the magic of a young lady emerging that tries to give some Christmas magic to others is a far sweeter sight in the long run.

And the thrill of being part of the magic for someone else will over shadow the sadness of "knowing the secret" and make her feel quite grown up to boot.
 
I'm really surprised that an 11 year old didnt' know already. My boys figured it out by age 8. And I used to volunteer in their elementary school (10+years ago) and everyone in their classes by 4th grade knew. In our home, Christmas isn't about Santa anyway. I have a problem with telling a child a fib like if you stop believing, you won't get any gifts. That's basically just mean and can really upset a child who may already suspect but then will be afraid not to.
 
15 yrs ago I remember riding in the car with my mother one warm September evening. I was very quiet and then when we pulled into the gas station to get gas, I flat out asked if Santa was real. Mom must have felt this was something weighing on my mind because she told me the truth. I bawled! I sat there in the passenger's seat crying for minutes non-stop. I know how I felt inside...mom and dad have been lying to me this entire time. How could they lie about something like this?!?! Yes, I felt that way for several days. There had always been a strong presentation from Santa. Whether it be a letter from him left one year in our doorway, or magic "pixie dust" left on the fireplace, or carrot tops left on the roof, or half eaten cookies left on the plate...Santa had always been there.

I soon began to realize all the effort and work my family put into keeping Santa alive. Even though I am 26 yrs old now, Santa still visits every year. There is always a stocking full of goodies, and we STILL leave out milk and cookies. My favorite thing (that brings tears to my eyes as I type this) is the tradition my DH has continued on. Every Christmas morning he sneaks out of bed (of course I feel him moving about ;) ) and goes out to turn on the Christmas tree lights and other Christmas lights around the house. My parents had always done this, and now he too does this...it is a symbol that Santa has visited.

I was able to be a "Santa helper" for a few years until my younger sister found out the truth. That was great fun knowing that I knew this "world known" secret and she didn't :rotfl: . But now that I am older, I really appreciate everything that my parents have done. Christmas is a special season on it's own. Whenever you are in my parents home you are immediately surround by Christmas- sights, smells, and sounds. It is truly a blessing!
 
I don't look forward to dealing with this with my boys. I don't know how old I was. My grandmother told me. I still know exactly which traffic light we were sitting at in the city of Houston, when she told me. My Mom knew I wasn't ready and said many years later that she had to control herself from slapping my grandmother. Just the thought of it makes me cry. I needed him, a lot. Santa got me through a lot of rough times as a child that just couldn't be filled by family. Too many problems going on. Santa is magic. He is the innocence that can only be found in a child. He is swirling glittering snowflakes and warm chocolaty cocoa. He lives in my heart still. I don't play him up a lot with the boys. He does bring some presents and they do sit on his lap for pictures, but I try not to make him the main focus, mainly because I don't want to have to break their hearts, the way my grandmother broke mine. I sincerely hope you are able to help your daughter come to grips with the news. There is no reason why there cannot be some sort of surprise planned for her that you never let on you knew about, at WDW.

Mary
 
This beautiful article was published in the Oregonian newspaper several years ago. I shared this with Livi the night her Uncle spilled the beans. I love how the author tenderly graces the magic in our lives. I hope you enjoy this incredible letter too.

THE OREGONIAN
Copyright (c) 2002, The Oregonian Publishing Company
Sunday, December 22, 2002
TAG: 0212200196
EDITION: SUNRISE
SECTION: LIVING
PAGE: L01
LENGTH: 112 lines
HEADLINE: SANTA IS GIVING HIS GREATEST GIFT TO ONE OF HIS 'SPECIAL CHILDREN'
BYLINE: MARGIE BOULE - of The Oregonian staff
TEXT:


You could say Della Rae and Terry Shanley caused this whole mess by
being too good at their jobs as parents and makers of magic.
Every year on Christmas morning the Shanley home in Southwest Portland is
filled with evidence that Santa Claus has made an appearance overnight.
There is the half-eaten cookie on the special Santa plate in the dining
room, and the carrot stubs with reindeer tooth marks on them. There is the
thank-you-for-the-treats note from Santa. And in the back yard are what appear
to be honest-to-goodness reindeer tracks. Della Rae can swear to their
authenticity, "because I grew up in a family of hunters," she says. She knows
her hoof prints.
So it's no wonder the Shanley's 10-year-old daughter Kaeli has been a true
believer. Even as her friends began to doubt the existence of Santa, Kaeli was
quite sure he was real. She'd seen proof, she told her friends. She'd seen the
hoof prints out back.
This year, however, Kaeli entered what Della Rae calls "an age of
awakening. . . . She's asking more questions and questioning more answers." It
also began to bother her, after all those safety lectures at home and at
school, that a stranger was entering their home once a year while the Shanleys
slept. Kaeli's younger sister, Madison, expressed concern about the tooth
fairy, too.
Della Rae says she and Terry tried to assuage the girls' concerns. "We
would say things like, 'You know these are special people, who only do special
things, good things, for children. And we invite them into our house. We would
not let anybody come into our house uninvited.' " But Kaeli wasn't completely
reassured.
Terry and Della Rae decided it was time to have "the talk" with Kaeli about
who Santa really is. So one evening last week, after Madison was asleep, the
Shanleys sat down with their oldest daughter. "I watched her as her dad
started speaking," Della Rae says. "And when he came to the words, 'We're
Santa Claus,' her face just went blank." That's when the Shanleys realized
"she believed. We had no idea Kaeli, at this age, truly believed Santa was
real." But she did.
Kaeli sputtered, Della Rae says. "Two-word sentences came out of her mouth:
'Reindeer prints. The cookies. The presents.' It was like all the Christmases
Past were passing before her eyes. And then came the tears."
Kaeli's grandmother died last year. To Della Rae, "when I looked at Kaeli's
face, it was as if she'd lost somebody else she loved."
This was not the way Terry and Della Rae had anticipated the discussion.
"It was one of those parental moments you wish you could rewind and redo,"
Della Rae says. "At that point it was a disaster."
Terry and Della Rae tried to explain to Kaeli that Santa was a wonderful
concept, "but nothing we could say at that time would ease her mind. I laid
with her that night, and we talked for about an hour until she feel asleep.
She was not angry. She was heartbroken."
The next morning when Della Rae awoke there was an envelope on the dining
room table. Kaeli had risen early and written to Santa Claus. "Of course,"
says Della Rae, "like any mother would, I opened it. I wanted to know what she
was feeling."
The note was brief, "but so sweet." Kaeli told Santa she was sad he wasn't
real. But it ended, "I love you, Mom and Dad." And she signed off with, "Write
a note back."
Della Rae spent some time thinking about what Kaeli might want to hear in a
return letter. And then she sat down and wrote a letter from her heart, to her
quiet, brown-eyed, sweet-faced daughter. A letter from Santa:


Dearest Kaeli (my greatest fan,)
So, you've been wondering if I'm real? I heard your parents trying to
explain to you the true meaning of who I am and what I represent. I thought
I'd help them out. Your parents have done their best to give you the gift of their tradition. They grew up, as you have, knowing and loving me, Santa. They knew as children that Santa would enter their homes (how that happened, they never knew), and they would awaken Christmas morning to gifts Santa had left them under the tree. What a wonderful tradition! As they grew older, some of their friends started doubting I existed. Those children tried to persuade others not to believe in me. As you know, many people have different beliefs in what the holiday season is all about and observe different traditions at this time of year. Children love the celebrations because they usually receive gifts. Kaeli, when children like you grow into young adults, they receive the gift of who I am and what this holiday season really means. Young children may not understand that special gift; you can't wrap it up and put it under the tree. "Your parents asked me to write you a letter to help you understand the special gifts they are passing down to you every day.
My name is: Santa Claus, Kriss Kringle, Claus, St. Nicholas, St. Nick, Santa or Fat Man with a White Beard. These are names that have been given to me through the years. But who I am represents so much more: I am the end of the rainbow, the luck of a head's-up penny, and Tinker Bell's fairy dust. I am your good luck charm, your Guardian Angel and your wishing star. I am your prayer at night, your lucky dress and your best friend. I am in every gift you receive and especially in every gift you give. I am the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy and the Candy Fairy. I am the candle on your birthday cake, I am the four-leaf clover and I am the penny in the wishing well. I am your hug in the morning, your kiss goodbye and your goodnight wish. I am the magic in a snowflake, the colors in a sunset and the mist of the ocean breeze. I am in the words, 'Thank you,' 'I'm sorry' and 'I love you.' So, Kaeli, the gift I bring to you this year is the greatest gift you ever will receive from me. Only special children know who I am and what I represent. You are now one of those special children. Take the gift of who I am, and share a wish, share a hug, share a dream, share hope and share love. These are the true gifts that people need to receive every day from Santa. Merry Christmas, Kaeli, every day of the year.


Love,

Santa

The letter will be waiting for Kaeli on Christmas morning, with the
half-eaten cookie and the reindeer tracks and the gifts under the tree.
Perhaps Kaeli will save it and one day read it to her own children when
they're old enough.
In fact, Santa's letter may be Kaeli's gift most worth keeping this year.
Call it a saving grace.
 
There is a wonderful small book written about this situation for us that still believe.

It is the "The Adventures of Nicholas" by Helen Siiteri. I have included a link to some additional info about the book. It explains in a logical way why we have Christmas traditions such as stockings, a Christmas tree, etc.

It is a wonderful story and very heart warming and perfect for children who are in this situation and adults too. :flower:

http://www.trafford.com/4dcgi/robots/04-1673.html
 












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