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G'sWatersprite

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I'm seriously considering buying DVC but am intrigued by the idea of Disney one year, someplace else the next. Or at least every once in a while going someplace different. I also think I could sell my husband on it if we weren't always going to Disney. So does anyone really use their points to travel places besides Disney? Is it worth it or would you be better off just spending money to travel the world? I'd love to know if it's something people do for real of if it's just an advertising ploy to get me in and then I find out i spent lots of money on something I'll never do.
 
I'm seriously considering buying DVC but am intrigued by the idea of Disney one year, someplace else the next. Or at least every once in a while going someplace different. I also think I could sell my husband on it if we weren't always going to Disney. So does anyone really use their points to travel places besides Disney? Is it worth it or would you be better off just spending money to travel the world? I'd love to know if it's something people do for real of if it's just an advertising ploy to get me in and then I find out i spent lots of money on something I'll never do.
It is a poor choice and poor value to buy DVC with the intent of using the points for non DVC stays. You are far better off buying less points and just using them for DVC stays. You might want a cushion of points depending on your specific situation. Just use cash or look to other timeshares for non DVC options, you'll be FAR better off.
 
Thanks Dean, that's what I needed to hear!

What about the resorts at Disneyland Paris, etc? Are they a poor value too? DH and I really want to check them out
 
Thanks Dean, that's what I needed to hear!

What about the resorts at Disneyland Paris, etc? Are they a poor value too? DH and I really want to check them out
As I noted, it only makes sense to buy to use at DVC resorts. That means that all the other hotels, DCL, etc are not a good value to buy in. There certainly are those that own and chose to use points for those things and it is their option to do so. The difference is that you have the unique opportunity up front to get the very best situation for yourself and when it comes to DVC, it's what I stated already, buying enough DVC points to use at DVC, likely with a mild cushion depending on specifics.
 

Thanks again Dean. I just want to make sure I understand how things "really" work in comparison to how they're trying to sell how it works. I think your idea of fewer points is the correct answer for our family! Thanks!
 
Thanks again Dean. I just want to make sure I understand how things "really" work in comparison to how they're trying to sell how it works. I think your idea of fewer points is the correct answer for our family! Thanks!
And that's what you really should do so you figure out what's best for you, not what's best for me or someone else. Spend a few months going over the info, you'll be glad you did.
 
I was just checking:rolleyes1 disney adventures. The one I was looking at was 9 day/8 night trip to Germany for @ $3700/adult.:eek: Checking the DVC points, an advance booking was 366 points plus $95 Really not that bad.

I think everyone is right about the point of DVC is to take advantage of DW and the resorts,but it looks like if you are willing to do some planning, you can have other options that you won't take too bad of a loss on.:yay:
 
I was just checking:rolleyes1 disney adventures. The one I was looking at was 9 day/8 night trip to Germany for @ $3700/adult.:eek: Checking the DVC points, an advance booking was 366 points plus $95 Really not that bad.

I think everyone is right about the point of DVC is to take advantage of DW and the resorts,but it looks like if you are willing to do some planning, you can have other options that you won't take too bad of a loss on.:yay:
Good example, about the best you'll do is get to a break even point. Given that the options could change or vanish tomorrow and that most options return more in the $6-7.50 a point range, seems to be an easy choice in my book for one not already a member and looking to buy in. I'd want AT LEAST a 20% discount inclusive of all fees using points over cash on a consistent basis to take the chance on buying to use for the other option and I don't every recall a situation where that was the case.
 
I was just checking:rolleyes1 disney adventures. The one I was looking at was 9 day/8 night trip to Germany for @ $3700/adult.:eek: Checking the DVC points, an advance booking was 366 points plus $95 Really not that bad.

I think everyone is right about the point of DVC is to take advantage of DW and the resorts,but it looks like if you are willing to do some planning, you can have other options that you won't take too bad of a loss on.:yay:

Was that 366/adult or for your entire group? We did not see anything that cheap for our family of four even with DCL. Just curious....
 
I also have a question about the World Passport Collect. Isn't it 160 points to trade for a one-bedroom somewhere else? If so, I can't stay in a one-bedroom in a DVC for a week for that number of points, it would be closer to 240 points? Right?? Or am I confused??? :confused3
 
There are DVC members who have used the exchange options and loved every minute of it -- but Dean is right.

One thing prospective buyers should understand is that DVC membership does not give you full access to the 3,500 or so timeshares in the RCI system. DVC gives you access only to a small number of those, with varying degrees of difficulty exchanging (usually considerable difficulty), and a $95 fee for each reservation or change to a reservation. And even if you get the exchange, for most exchanges you are paying a premium rather than receiving a discount.

If you want to use a timeshare for exchanges, Dean, Brian and some of the other real timeshare experts on the DIS can give you some good suggestions.

Generally, I think the advice would be to buy only what DVC points you need for DVC resorts and if you want to exchange buy some other timeshare which will give you full access to RCI or II at a fraction of the cost of DVC. Some of those timeshares (from fine companies) can be bought very inexpensively on eBay.
 
I also have a question about the World Passport Collect. Isn't it 160 points to trade for a one-bedroom somewhere else? If so, I can't stay in a one-bedroom in a DVC for a week for that number of points, it would be closer to 240 points? Right?? Or am I confused??? :confused3
IMO, that is not relevant. To me the question for someone going in is what are the costs, what are the guarantees and what are the risks. I'll be specific to your question and example. Yes, 160 points will in theory get you a 1 BR as an exchange and no, you cannot stay in most DVC 1 BR units for 160 points for most of the year. However, lets examine the specifics of those realities. On the open market, those points are worth between $1600 & $1900 if one owned the points and rented them out. On the purchase side, lets keep it as simple as possible. Lets assume one traded once a year and bought SSR for 160 points just to trade. This would be the most pure type of comparison I could think of. So a buy in of $60 a point as a great deal = $10K with closing. Then you have yearly dues, lets be conservative and use $5 a point or $800 a year.

Before we close the cost loop, lets examine the exchange setup. As Jim referenced, there are significant costs, risk and limitations on the timeshare exchange side of things. First, there is a $95 non refundable fee, no guarantees that you'll get anything, that the resort you want will even have 1 BR units and that if something happens, you'll likely lose your points altogether. Also as Jim mentioned, many of the options that you or I may want may not even be on the approved list for DVC. Add to that the real possibility that the options will change over time or go away completely.

Lets explore the other options available, esp to those who are not yet members and truly have all options available to them to pick and chose. In most cases they could rent that none DVC 1 BR for the $800 dues OR LESS, often much less, and in the few situations they couldn't, you're not likely to get it anyway as an exchange. Besides cash, another approach to securing the same exchange would be another timeshare that exchanges with RCI. One example might be Bluegreen where one could buy currently for maybe $500-1000 (yes purchase) and yearly fees around $650 (equiv to a 1 BR yearly). For that situation one gets direct access to RCI with a full account that gives you access to all RCI resorts, the ability to trade that 1 BR for a 2 BR in many situations, access to cash rentals that can be as low at $199 a week and much better trade power if done halfway correctly. So you'd be more likely to get the exchange over the DVC owner in many situations. Then there are the other internal options if one did want to take advantage of the resorts in their system. There would be no guarantees with BG (or similar options) either other than the upfront savings and general likelihood of continuing to be in a better position than someone owning DVC to exchange. To be fair and try to be complete, the exchange fees with BG would be around $50 per exchange more if done through RCI (Or II as they are affiliated with both). It's more than fair to assume the yearly fees would be about the same overall.

So to put it all together, DVC is a VERY expensive option with no guarantees that plays second fiddle in the exchange world with far more limitations and overall costs than almost all other timeshares. DVC would also be a more expensive option that just paying cash to rent timeshares from members and various other outlets.

One who already owns is in a somewhat different situation though all of the principles still apply.
 
Thanks Dean!! You answered my question. I had already asked it again, thinking no one was going to answer. That's what I thought, but before we buy in I want to understand everything and I don't think the sales people always give "all" the info, they kind of sugar coat things to make it look great!!
 
Thanks Dean!! You answered my question. I had already asked it again, thinking no one was going to answer. That's what I thought, but before we buy in I want to understand everything and I don't think the sales people always give "all" the info, they kind of sugar caot things to make it look great!!
Great, glad it helped out. As I was composing I was wondering if it's be taken in a positive way since it's a little (well maybe a lot) technical and anything other than "buy DVC" tends to get kicked to the curb around here. Everyone's situation is different, all any of us here can do is provide information. It seems that the emotions of buying seem to take over for many and override better decisions.
 
The above posters gave good advice. What I did was buy a small 100 point DVC resale package, and then we own another non DVC timeshare that we frequently exchange through RCI. :)
 
Okay, I know about DVC from lurking here and going to 2 presentations at Disney, but nothing about RCI. How cheap are you able to purchase a resort to trade out, that would have good trading value??
 
Dean gave you a Bluegreen Timeshare option for non-DVC, let me give you a Wyndham option.

This is an actual eBay auction item going on right now (go to eBay, search Wyndham points Nevada, and it will pop up):

Wyndham Grand Desert Resort in Las Vegas (beautiful resort!) 154,000 points annually, perpetual - so the contract never ends. Maintenance fees are $4.75 per 1K, which comes to $732 per year. Total closing costs $680.

This auction ends in 2 days. Based on other completed 154K Grand Desert auctions this contract should sell for $300-$400. Anyone who pays more than $400 got carried away. The highest I saw was $510, and I'm guessing someone just wanted to WIN in that one.

So...$400 + $680 = $1,080 TOTAL PURCHASE PRICE...including closing costs.

Okay, what does that give you?

Within the 100 or so Wyndham resorts internally, using Wyndham for Wyndham like we use DVC for DVC resorts, 154K gets you a 2 BR at most resorts except for prime in some resorts, or a 1 BR just about anywhere.

For exchanging, 154K Wyndham points is the equivalent of a 2 BR Red Season deposit in RCI. Folks like Brian or Culli can tell you better than I, but I don't think many Wyndham owners make 154K deposits in RCI.

More likely they deposit 77K (Red Studio) or 105K (Red 1 BR). Understand that what you get from those deposits may be way more than the generic value -- you might get a 3- or 4-bedroom for 105K during an shoulder or quiet season.

(Incidentally, the Bluegreen options Dean gave you exchange somewhat better than Wyndham, and WAY better than DVC.)

So if someone wants to buy a small DVC contract for every other year usage, and another timeshare for non-DVC there are lots of options.

Oh, and one more thing. I'm not sure about other timeshares, but there are a LOT of small, every-other-year Wyndham contracts on eBay. They will sell for roughly the same price, but the annual fees will be half -- and if you are alternating between DVC one year and non-DVC the next, an EOY contract will give you all you need.

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ETA: All of the above prices and accommodations are for a full week -- seven nights.
 
One caveat with Wyndham -- the RCI exchange fees are much higher than Bluegreen.

Wyndham's RCI fees just went to $194, I believe -- but unlike DVC, they only charge if you actually are successful in making a reservation with your exchange. With DVC, you pay $95 to deposit and if you don't get anything -- too bad, so sad.
 
In my Wyndham example above, I overstated the value a little within the Wyndham system at some of their newer, more expensive resorts.

Here are some ideas, all are in PRIME season -- other seasons would be less points -- and all of these are for a full week stay (7 nights):

  • Grand Desert - the home resort above - 1 BR Deluxe = 154K
  • Ocean Walk - spectacular resort in Daytona Beach - 1 BR Deluxe = 154K
  • Waikiki Beach Walk - 1 BR suite (1 BR, but with a mini kitchen)=154K
  • Bonnet Creek - spectacular resort a stone's throw from OKW - 1 BR Deluxe in PRIME season = 166K, in High season = 126K
 




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