Women Who Smoke

[ronandannette]

You may not see it the same way, that is fine.

Smoking around children is BAD and I believe in the same category as child molestation and child abuse. But because significant revenue is generated from smoking, there will never be penalties.

Yet the penalties should be the same.

Is Exposure to Secondhand Smoke Child Abuse? Yes
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4369587/

https://www.healthychildren.org/Eng...obacco/Pages/Dangers-of-Secondhand-Smoke.aspx

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/secondhand-smoke/health.html#:~:text=Secondhand smoke can cause sudden,attacks in infants and children.

https://no-smoke.org/health-effects-secondhand-smoke-children/

https://www.lung.org/quit-smoking/smoking-facts/health-effects/secondhand-smoke

https://kidshealth.org/en/parents/secondhand-smoke.html

https://www.enthealth.org/be_ent_smart/secondhand-smoke-and-children/

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/secondhand-smoke-children-alpert/

If, God forbid, you or one of your children had ever suffered childhood sexual abuse, I assure you, you would NEVER assert such an outrageous thing.

 

[kdonnel]

If, God forbid, you or one of your children had ever suffered childhood sexual abuse, I assure you, you would NEVER assert such an outrageous thing.

I am not trying to minimize the severity of child molestation but maximize the severity of secondhand smoke and children that can not consent.

From a legal perspective, they should be treated the same.

My mom is one that should have served jail time for the secondhand smoke I was unwillingly exposed to.

 

[easyas123]

I must say, my grandparents smoked around us...was it good for us? No, of course not. Did they know as much back then as they do now? No... would they do things different today vs. 50 years ago? of course!
Were they child abusers/molesters? No way in hell. How incredibly offensive. And I HATE smoking, it's gross & nasty (in my opinion) and you are willingly slowly killing yourself - but smoking does not make someone a child molester.

 

[jalapeno_pretzel]

When I saw this thread title I thought it was going to be like a complete the sentence kind of thing.

... have a lower life expectancy than those who don't?
... smell like smoke?
... get more wrinkles due to reduced skin thickness and the faster breakdown of collagen?

 

[kdonnel]

Were they child abusers/molesters? No way in hell. How incredibly offensive.

My thoughts on the matter are not unique.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4369587/

Purposefully and recurrently exposing children to secondhand smoke—a known human carcinogen—despite repeated warnings, is child abuse. Federal law defines child abuse as “any recent act or failure to act on the part of a parent or caretaker which results in death, serious physical or emotional harm, sexual abuse or exploitation; or an act or failure to act which presents an imminent risk of serious harm.”3 In the case presented below, our patient’s parents failed to act in a way to remove their child from recurring, life-threatening harm by secondhand smoke, thereby constituting child abuse.

 

[RedAngie]

My “point” for starting this thread was just to provide humorous photos of women smoking. It wasn’t meant to shame or lecture on the evils of smoking.

Of course, I have no control on how a thread evolves.

For the record, I started smoking in college, but for the most part gave it up soon after I found out I was pregnant. Two or three times a year I bum a cigarette from a friend or co-worker who smokes. In most states, standard cigarettes are $10 or more per pack. I have better things to spend money on.

 

[BlueStarryHat]

Have you tried an air filter? I don’t have any smokers in my life, so I have no idea how well it would work. For a bedroom, probably wouldn’t need too big of a unit.

I haven't, no. It's a good idea, but I'm afraid I don't have any free outlets in my room. What I've done seems to be working so far as keeping the funk down to a minimum. Thanks!

 

[jalapeno_pretzel]

My “point” for starting this thread was just to provide humorous photos of women smoking. It wasn’t meant to shame or lecture on the evils of smoking.

Of course, I have no control on how a thread evolves.

For the record, I started smoking in college, but for the most part gave it up soon after I found out I was pregnant. Two or three times a year I bum a cigarette from a friend or co-worker who smokes. In most states, standard cigarettes are $10 or more per pack. I have better things to spend money on.

I guess I don't see smoking as humorous. More like sad. I know too many who suffered a painful early death because of it, so it's hard to find humor in it.

Though, it's great that you are able to just have a couple a year and keep it like that. I think that is pretty rare. Most people I know that have successfully quit can absolutely not allow a single instance or they will be right back to chain smoking and craving the next one as soon as the current one is finished. But, I do know at least a couple of people who seem to be able to do what you do, just have a very occasional one.

 

[easyas123]

My thoughts on the matter are not unique.

And that article was written in 2015, not 1978 when I was sitting in the same room as a family member who was having a cigarette. As I mentioned, things (education/science/laws/social acceptance - whatever ) were different then vs. now. You said:

I lump parents who smoke/smoked around their children in the same bucket as child molesters, they are equally horrible people.

So a parent who smoked around their children 30, 40 or 50 years ago when not as aware of the health effects of second hand smoke are equivalent to child molesters?

As someone who is personally familiar with both scenarios, I'm here to tell you I'll pick the second hand smoke in my grandparents sun room vs. the other.

 

[Dan Murphy]

In reference to mentions of child abuse/molestation, I would agree that smoking near children, or near anybody for that mater, passing on well-known, harmful secondhand smoke, is abuse. Abuse of that other person, be it child or adult. I would not go so far as to place it in the category of child molestation, which is a type of child abuse, probably the absolute worst. I totally despise cigarettes, hate them. If somebody comes by me, smoking, I'll ask them to move away, or I will move away.

I do agree that smokers in my folks' and grandparents' time should not be held as abusers, not nearly as much known then. Today, totally different story.

I just stopped this morning, at a BK for a morning coffee (decaf, cardio's orders) and I had not noticed that the person in front of me in the drive-through was smoking in their car. When I pulled up to the window and put my window down, a rush of cigarette stink poured into my car. UGH!! Down went my windows, fan up to full. By the time I got my coffee, the stink was thankfully gone.

I'm a two-pack-a-day, (unfiltered) 'reformed; prior smoker. Started when I was 13, quit when I was 27, 51 years ago (back then, a 10 pack carton cost about $2.80, 28 cents a pack) . Probably nothing worse or a PITA than a 'reformed' smoker, haha.

 

[easyas123]

In reference to mentions of child abuse/molestation, I would agree that smoking near children, or near anybody for that mater, passing on well-known, harmful secondhand smoke, is abuse. Abuse of that other person, be it child or adult. I would not go so far as to place it in the category of child molestation, which is a type of child abuse, probably the absolute worst. I totally despise cigarettes, hate them. If somebody comes by me, smoking, I'll ask them to move away, or I will move away.

I do agree that smokers in my folks' and grandparents' time should not be held as abusers, not nearly as much known then. Today, totally different story.

I just stopped this morning, at a BK for a morning coffee (decaf, cardio's orders) and I had not noticed that the person in front of me in the drive-through was smoking in their car. When I pulled up to the window and put my window down, a rush of cigarette stink poured into my car. UGH!! Down went my windows, fan up to full. By the time I got my coffee, the stink was thankfully gone.

I'm a two-pack-a-day, (unfiltered) 'reformed; prior smoker. Started when I was 13, quit when I was 27, 51 years ago (back then, a 10 pack carton cost about $2.80, 28 cents a pack) . Probably nothing worse or a PITA than a 'reformed' smoker, haha.

Well said, I think you've made some excellent points.
I am also a reformed smoker - smoked from about 17 till 24. I have zero tolerance for it now and lump myself in as PITA reformed smoker as well

 

[kdonnel]

So a parent who smoked around their children 30, 40 or 50 years ago when not as aware of the health effects of second hand smoke are equivalent to child molesters?

As someone who is personally familiar with both scenarios, I'm here to tell you I'll pick the second hand smoke in my grandparents sun room vs. the other.

Smoking and the link to cancer has been known since the 1920's. Wide spread knowledge about the dangers occured in the 1960's.

1960-2023 is 63 years.

So yeah I think parents who smoked around their children 30, 40 or 50 years ago abused their children.

There is no defense for smoking around children.

If you want to smoke, don't do it around your children. It is that easy.

 

[easyas123]

There is no defense for smoking around children.

Of course not - but that does not make them a child molester!

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

My “point” for starting this thread was just to provide humorous photos of women smoking. It wasn’t meant to shame or lecture on the evils of smoking.

Of course, I have no control on how a thread evolves.

For the record, I started smoking in college, but for the most part gave it up soon after I found out I was pregnant. Two or three times a year I bum a cigarette from a friend or co-worker who smokes. In most states, standard cigarettes are $10 or more per pack. I have better things to spend money on.

Well given the turn of this thread, let's just say my picture was not exhaustive of the types of women that make men want to drink beer and leave it at that.

 

[2Lunds]

I have a fun anecdote that actually ties in smoking and WDW. When I was 5 my parents quit smoking and started putting their "smoke money" into a savings account every week. We went to WDW for my 6th Bday with that money (from Canada no less).

I'm not sure if this is more a statement on how expensive smoking was, or how much cheaper WDW was back then?

 

[Dan Murphy]

Smoking and the link to cancer has been known since the 1920's. Wide spread knowledge about the dangers occured in the 1960's.

1960-2023 is 63 years.

So yeah I think parents who smoked around their children 30, 40 or 50 years ago abused their children.

There is no defense for smoking around children.

If you want to smoke, don't do it around your children. It is that easy.

Abuser? Sure Molester? No

As defined by National Center for Missing and Exploited Children:

https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/Digitization/149252NCJRS.pdf

For the purposes of this book, a child molester will be defined as a significantly older individual who engages in any type of sexual activity with individuals legally defined as children.

Smoking by children does not make one a child molester. Abuser? Certainly

 

[kdonnel]

Abuser? Sure Molester? No

As defined by National Center for Missing and Exploited Children:

https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/Digitization/149252NCJRS.pdf

For the purposes of this book, a child molester will be defined as a significantly older individual who engages in any type of sexual activity with individuals legally defined as children.

Smoking by children does not make one a child molester. Abuser? Certainly

I am not saying they are child molesters, I am saying in my book, they are one and the same.

In my opinion, there is no difference between a child abuser, child molester, and someone who smokes around their kids.

They should all be treated the same by the courts.

 

[goofyernmost]

It was disgusting, smoking in airplanes, smoking in grocery stores, offices, you go to a baseball game and get the chain smoker in the seat below, it was where terrible. Your clothes would smell whenever you went out. I remember when they first started passing bans in bars, which many said would ruin their business, but just the opposite. You could sit at a bar and breathe, it was like this is nice.

Yea, cause drinking is so much healthier and never causes any pain to anyone at anytime. I will admit that unless someone throws a drink at you, your clothes probably won't take on the smell of alcohol.

 

[goofyernmost]

Abuser? Sure Molester? No

As defined by National Center for Missing and Exploited Children:

https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/Digitization/149252NCJRS.pdf

For the purposes of this book, a child molester will be defined as a significantly older individual who engages in any type of sexual activity with individuals legally defined as children.

Smoking by children does not make one a child molester. Abuser? Certainly

Let's put that a little in perspective. Abuse... none of us that smoked in the vicinity of children really believed it was doing them any harm. My sister and I, as well as my mother, rode in cold weather closed up cars for years when my dad puffed away on a pipe. Neither one of us nor my mother experience and lung problems that couldn't be attributed to our own activities. Just like today where people deny a globe shaped planet in the light of massive proof otherwise, when someone gives out personally unsubstantiated "facts" from those that wanted smoking stopped were thinking that any of it was anything more then a crock of crap. It was the same as social drinking. People got sloshed back then, beat their children and spouses, drove their cars into others killing many and still can't see the problems with that. However, after an unsuccessful attempt to end drinking, it failed. Smoking at least was accepted as bad early on and made the end of it more likely to happen. But, to think that smoking parents had any idea, at the time, they they might be doing harm to the kids is projecting backwards as if it was common knowledge that it was harming anyone else other than themselves.

 

[BlueStarryHat]

I have a photo of me and my Mom in front of the castle at WDW. She's holding a cigarette. We had a smoking allowed room with little tin ashtrays at the Polynesian. The Poly had big can ashtrays all over the property with little pineapples stamped on the sand. How times have changed.