Wk of May 21--2007 WISH Walking/Running Club

[littlegreydonkey]

Hi there - wow I missed a lot again. Congrats Howard, Congrats Dave, and that time is great. It's also great you've entered the full, took me years to pluck up the courage!!! Oh, and I too have been to Star Wars village in Tunisia, seem to remember having dinner in a cave, never having sat through one of the movies it didn't mean so much to me, but my friend was overly excited and kept shrieking something in a very high voice and muttering 'these are not the droids you are looking for'.

So, re the wall conversation, it was the reason I didn't want to do a marathon, I had this vision of this evil thing that hit every marathoner, leaving them in pain, snivelling and with no bladder control (and you wonder why I was so scared!!!) but it never came. I admit that at 19 miles when you hit a very small hill that feels like a mountain on the course, I thought 'what am I doing' but then happy songs came on the ipod so that was that gone. Also, at 21 miles when I had another brief, 'why am I here' moment, I walked in a sadly jaunty fashion, singing away to myself in an attempt to fool myself into thinking I was just out of a stroll. Mind you, all of these tactics may explain why I had the slowest time of all the WISH runners. But fact is I have actually felt worse in half races that I hadn't trained for than I felt at any point in the marathon. Remind me of that next year when I start my Goofy training won't you.

Anyway, got to go back to work, got a relatively quiet week this week hence my reappearance. Will make more time come June 3rd when DL training begins though. Helen

 

[Viking]

Hi there - wow I missed a lot again. Congrats Howard, Congrats Dave, and that time is great. It's also great you've entered the full, took me years to pluck up the courage!!! Oh, and I too have been to Star Wars village in Tunisia, seem to remember having dinner in a cave, never having sat through one of the movies it didn't mean so much to me, but my friend was overly excited and kept shrieking something in a very high voice and muttering 'these are not the droids you are looking for'.

Helen,
I intend to visit your country sooner or later. I got relatives Down Under and have been planning on paying them a visit for years now. They vacationed in NZ two years ago and sent us a DVD of their impressions - WHOAAAAA!!! It was even better than in Lord of the Rings
The long flight has been the deterrent for me so far, but now we've been Thailand twice and as this is already half the distance, I guess we'll be going the whole way in two or three years

 

[aladdinsgirl]

Good morning everyone!!! Guess what, I ran last night for the first time in a month and a half and NO KNEE PAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am SO excited!! Granted, I r2/w2 and it was only a mile, but still I ran I didn't have any pain!! Only 25.2 more to go! Walt Disney World was WONDERFUL and it was hard to leave, but I'll cheer myself up by saying only 129 days until our next trip. As soon as I figure out how to post pictures, I'll post a couple of our vacation.

Christa--You look fabulous!!! You looked great before, but man you look awesome now. I bet your hubby is loving that!! So, you lost the weight after your tri? Wasn't that only a couple of months ago?

Cam--I looked at your Minnie's pics, have you lost weight since January too? You look a lot thinner to me.

Howard-- on your marathon!! I didn't realize that this was your first full. Great time! How are the muscles today?

Dave-- on signing up for the full!!!! Did you feel like you were going to throw up too?? And great time on your 10K. Do the princesses know they are going to WDW in 7 1/2 months?

Carrie--I cannot imagine 6 miles across a bridge. I've run maybe a half mile/mile across 2 bridges in Cincinnati during the Thanksgiving Day 10K and Flying Pig and it was so windy. I think running 6 in the wind is like the running 10 without wind! Good luck!

Sunny--Don't push it!!! I'm glad that you are feeling a little better. Maybe this was discussed when we were on vacation and I missed it, but how was the 5K with your ex? Did you break the news that he is running Disney yet??

Melissa--YOU CAN DO IT!!!!!!!!!!! I have so much faith in you!! Just get your feather and fly like the wind!!

Goofyguy--Oh my gosh! What a scare! I'm so glad that it wasn't cancerous. I can't imagine the fear you must have felt while waiting for the test results. I hope you feel better soon.

Heather--Awesome run!! I have never run in sand before, but just from walking in it, I can imagine how hard that must have been. But it does sound wonderful just the same!

Judy--Happy Birthday!! I hope you are feeling better today. Put me in the camp with those who say listen to your doctor and your body and don't push it. Trust me, it isn't worth it in the long run, I have learned that the hard way with my IT band.

Minnie--Wasn't the Flower and Garden Show beautiful?? Did you have a good time on vacation?

Amy--Are you watching AI tonight? I don't really think I will, at this point I don't care who wins. I might watch it to see Chris sing, but that's it. I think Katherine has a beautiful voice, but I think Elliot was more deserving of the being in the top 2.

Jodi--Good luck on your 10K!

Helen--Great to see you again. I'm still sad you won't be running WDW this year.

Mel-- for your foot!! Let me know about running at Saratoga and DtD, we are staying at SSR in October and that's right in the thick of marathon training!! Have a great time!

Terri--Did you decide to go Goofy again?

Wow. This is a long post! I hope I got everyone, if not I'm sorry!!! to everyone I missed!

 

[solotraveler]

Sheesh--- you go missing for a week and everyone has something going on!! I feel so out of the loop! Well, let's try to catch up, shall we?

GoofyGuy-- Whew!! Glad to hear that your health issue was nothing very serious.

Dave-- Congrats on the 10K!! WTG!! And congrats on registering for the marathon!!! It'll be great!! We promise!!

Heather-- Congrats!! Great race!!

Howard-- Congrats to you as well!! Great splits!!

Judy-- Happy Birthday!!!!

Carrie-- I kinda figured you were doing the Bridge Run!! I was considering it after the marathon, but passed since I didn't know what my work situation would be for this weekend. Good luck to you and we need a full report, of course.

Michael-- I must have missed your arrival.... but WELCOME!!! These folks are great!

Terri-- I have the same question about my Goofy registration, especially since I haven't been getting the emails. I registered online, so I can pull my info up on SignMeUp sports, so I think I am OK. I hope. For last year's race there was a place on the website where you could check your registration, but I don't see it there yet. Hmmm.... maybe I should email to doublecheck....

In response to your second question, I hit the same wall you did, LOL. I think mile 22 was the toughest for me. Something about that on ramp and stretch of road leading into MGM was just awful. I felt markedly better once inside MGM. Mentally, I think mile 19 was the toughest-- really when all the miles felt twice as long as in the beginning. That Animal Kingdom parking lot is HUGE!!!


OK, so I'm back to the land of the living... no more events for the next three months. No work travel, either. Excuse me while I dance a moment.... Thanks. I was all gung-ho to start workouts again yesterday, but instead got saddled with a migraine by midafternoon. I'm feeling much better this morning, so I should be good to go today. I am registered for a 5K in Toronto on June 24th and then another 5K locally at the end of July/early August, so hopefully that will keep me running until the Goofy training starts.

Better get back to work...
Happy training!
Kevin (Solotraveler)

 

[andromedaslove]

Judy - Happy Birthday!! I am so sorry that you got sick, it's definately no fun believe me I KNOW!! Take care of yourself and get better soon.

Michael - Head to a store that specializes in Running to buy your running shoes. It makes a world of difference, especially when it comes to avoiding injury. Congratulations on the weight loss!!

Krista - Congratulations on the run without knee pain. I can't wait to see the pictures of your vacation. Which reminds me I need to finish my trip report with pictures from April!!

Well everyone I am sorry it has taken me so long to post. Unfortunately, every single person in the house (baby included) came down with Strep Throat. So even though I was feeling pretty crappy I still had to take care of them. Thankfully though you start feeling better soon after taking the antibiotics. Bad part was that I couldn't get out for a run all weekend long. Today was my first run since Thursday which is when I started hurting so bad. Michael really wasn't up for his bike this morning so I had both boys in the jogging stroller and still pulled off 2.5 miles in about 25 min.We have also been very busy trying to get everything ready for this house, and I wanted to share some pics.

Kitchen:

The front of the House:

See the WHITE shirt way down at the other end? That's my DH at the other property spike. That's how big the back yard is!! My dogs are gonna love me!!

Here is our view from our back yard, looking at the community center:

Ok, now I have a couple of questions. Hope you guys don't mind.

1) For those of your who Run/Walk, what is your ratio? I have always been just a runner, but was reading Jeff Galloway's web page about how run/walk can help prevent injuries. I was thinking about trying it out, but don't really know anyone who has used it before.

2) For those of you who have hit the "WALL" how far had you run or walked during your training. The reason I ask is ... well.... I am terrified of the "WALL". I don't really know why but I am scared of the wall to the extent of doing everything I can not to chicken out of the marathon completely. The training plan that I am using calls for my longest run to be 24-26 miles about 3 weeks before the actual marathon. Do you think that running that distance before the actual marathon will help prevent crashing straight into that dreaded wall?

Dana

 

[Minnie]

Hi everyone!

Krista - We had a fabulous time at the F&G Show!!! We stayed at the Pop and while I likely won't do that again it was nice to give it a try. If anyone does stay there I saw someone running and rollerblading around the lake area so that is an option.

I've been MIA for the last couple days as I was in a riding accident and ended up with a collapsed lung. Thankfully my cousin brought me in a laptop so I can do my homework and check in with my office from here. I am hoping that they will take the chest tube out today. I should know within the next couple of hours. please everyone I want out of here

 

[solotraveler]

Ok, now I have a couple of questions. Hope you guys don't mind.

1) For those of your who Run/Walk, what is your ratio? I have always been just a runner, but was reading Jeff Galloway's web page about how run/walk can help prevent injuries. I was thinking about trying it out, but don't really know anyone who has used it before.

2) For those of you who have hit the "WALL" how far had you run or walked during your training. The reason I ask is ... well.... I am terrified of the "WALL". I don't really know why but I am scared of the wall to the extent of doing everything I can not to chicken out of the marathon completely. The training plan that I am using calls for my longest run to be 24-26 miles about 3 weeks before the actual marathon. Do you think that running that distance before the actual marathon will help prevent crashing straight into that dreaded wall?

Dana

Dana--

1. My ratio is anywhere from 3 minutes running/ 2 minutes walking to 5 minutes running/ 1 minute walking. Particularly with my longer runs, I have found this helps my pace out. Mind you, during the marathon, my intervals went out the window. I used the Marathoning for Mortals program last year and have modified it for Goofy training this year. There are lots of folks on this board who have used this program.

2. "The Wall" is not something I would worry too much about. John Bingham describes it as "nothing really hurting, it's just like someone asking you to carry a refrigerator for the rest of the way," and that about sums it up. I think no matter how much training you do, during a 26 mile event, you are going to get tired. You just will. My longest run was 20 miles (which I did intervals for) and I feel that served me well. I don't know if 4 or 6 extra miles for my longest run would have benefitted me that much. If anything, I would worry about the recovery time required between a run of that length and the actual race, particularly if you are a first time marathoner. (Just my 2 cents, of course) Don't chicken out!! If you can will yourself to the start line, you can will yourself to the finish line.

Kevin

 

[goofyguy1958]

Thank you all for the well wishes. I was very concerned about the thyroid issue but tried to keep a positive outlook and actually got in 8 or 9 runs during my two weeks in limbo. Aside from an increase in fatigue and a lot of pain in the neck everything is looking bright. Yesterday I ran my 4.6 mile loop at work (during lunch) in 34:02 - this was to be a nice relaxed run after my 12 walk on Saturday with the Relay for life and 10 mile run on Friday. I really felt good during the run and was very suprised by the time.

Congratulations to all you racers and I love reading the reports of first timers. Dave, way to go on the Full registration. I felt, and sometimes continue to feel, the same way about the Goofy but we will all get through it and have some great stories for after.

Dana, the wall is a mythical thing that is more appropriately called fatigue. I hit it in my second marathon but after a short walk some power gel and water was able to continue onto my best marathon time (3:50 and some seconds) yet. The best advice is to train smartly and simpl get through the "wall" if it appears.

 

[chimera]

Thank you all for the well wishes. I was very concerned about the thyroid issue but tried to keep a positive outlook

Drive-by:

Mike...if you have any questions/concerns, don't hesitate to ask. I see thyroid nodule and thyroid cancer patients every day.

 

[WDWFAN9]

Hi All!

Just in case you were wondering....

117 days until the DL half
228 days until the WDW half
229 days until the WDW full

I'm in week 3 of MFM training for the Chicago Distance Classic in August. The slow but sure method works for me!! (with a lot of emphasis on slow!).

Take care everyone, I love reading your posts.

 

[keenercam]

Hi, everyone! I, too have been MIA, though reading whenever I could. There is so much great stuff going on here!

So, forgive this mile-long post, but I wanted to catch up!

Heather – Congrats on doing so well at your relay! I can’t believe you had to run on sand! I know how exhausting it is just walking on a beach but to run and have to continue is something to be proud of.

Dave – Your time was awesome on your 10K! You must be so proud of yourself! If that is what gave you the courage to sign up for the Full, I am so happy for you! Mickey can only be so motivating – you will have a great time looking back on your first event and realizing how well you did and that you can do ANYTHING you set your mind to. And, I’d bet DW is becoming more and more convinced of your commitment and your ability. I have to tell you, the fringe benefits to me of Howard getting in such great physical shape have been myriad! He is so “cut” and “buff” as my brother and his family noticed last night when they saw the pictures of him running to the marathon finish. He may feel great about himself, but I am also tremendously proud of him and proud to be with him! I bet your wife feels the same!

Goofyguy – Wow, that was scary! So glad to hear everything is okay. Thanks for letting us know

Terri – I think it is very impressive that you got all the way to mile 23 before you faced your big challenge. Our friend who has now run 7 marathons and who was here Sunday to support DH said he couldn’t finish his first one – he dropped out at mile 17 when he hit the wall and just absolutely could not continue.

Melissa – Isn’t it funny how I have absolute 100% no-doubt confidence in you when you are doubting yourself? How can that be? You have accomplished so MUCH that I can’t imagine there is anything you can’t do when you put your mind to it. I know you are concerned about the pacing requirement, but all you can do is your best. And I think you know deep down in your heart that just bringing yourself to the start is something to be so proud of! And DO NOT have any doubts about your adequacy as an adventure race team member – you have already proven what an awesome contribution you make to your team. And I’d bet that they also rely on your positive spirit and friendship on the trail to keep them all motivated so that they can perform at the levels they do. Don’t underestimate what you bring to the table, kiddo!

Judy – So sorry to hear you are sick. But you are just as bad as Sunny. You have to take care of yourself. And IF your doctor tells you to rest, that is what you have to do. Sending for a quick recovery.

Amy – I agree with Judy that today is the best day of all to register. Go ahead. Go do it and report to your WISH buddies so we can have a celebration in your honor.

Carrie – Take care of yourself this week, sweetie, so that your 6 miler doesn’t wear you out.

Sunny – I am glad you felt well enough to get to the gym, but I know we have to remind you to take it easy so you don’t relapse. We WILL do whatever we have to to keep you well, you know.

Michael – congrats on the great improvement in your pace and more importantly the AWESOME job you are doing on WW! Wish I could work hard enough to see results like that, but alas, must admit my discipline is not what it should be. Maybe you will rub off on me!

Terri – We also registered by mail to get the DVC discount and both received post cards congratulating us on registering. Howard got a Goofy postcard and I got a Mickey! I think I am going to tape it to the snack closet to make me think twice about opening it!

Krista – Thank you so much for the sweet comment about my weight. I haven’t lost nearly what I should have, but I think my clothes are fitting better, so maybe the exercise is helping. I am hoping all the WW people here will help me stay motivated. I HAVE to lose before the DL ½. I just cannot ask my body to carry me that distance at a better pace if I weigh this much. So, I really, really appreciate the encouragement!

Thanks to everyone who asked about my hip. Sadly, it is not better and I know exactly what the problem is and how to prevent further injury. I just haven’t been disciplined enough about stretching it out. The inflamed sacroiliac joint I suffered last summer made a brief re-appearance this week, but lying on the floor with my feet up on the bed as frequently as possible is helping stretch it out.

I am embarrassed to say I have not had time to train at all. More truthfully, I have not “made time” to train at all. DD17 graduates June 4 and we’ll have a houseful of people for the weekend. Prom is next Thursday. Many band programs, choir programs, and awards programs and other commitments are cutting into my evenings which I have come to count on for gym time. My current objective is to get through Saturday’s 5 mile race without too much pain or embarrassment and then to start training for the DL ½ right after Special Olympics is over on 6/9-10.

Dana – Gorgeous house and property!

Minnie – I posted to you on the other thread, but wanted to send prayers and your way. Feel better soon, kiddo.

 

[Viking]

Dana,
I sometimes do interval training on the treadmill. We've got programmable treadmills at the gym where I can simply switch between two selected speeds at the push of a button. When I do walk/run-intervals I walk .5K at 7.2kmh/4.5mph and run 1K at 12kmh/7.5mph.
Run/run-intervals I do at 10kmh/6.25mph and 14kmh/8.7mph also doing the slow portion for .5K and the quicker one for 1.0K. I always use an incline of .5 to 1.5% to compensate for the lack of drag and because it's better for the joints.

Eric

PS: Your house is beautiful!!!

 

[AmyBeth68]

Judy and Cam.... I signed up for the full today . I just did it. Skipped the DVC discount since I can't do it online and just DID IT! I knew if I printed it out to mail it would sit and sit.....so I took a deep breath and filled in the form and away it went thru cyber space!

And Krista...I do feel like I'm going to throw up . WHAT AM I THINKING LOL!!!!

Dave...wouldn't it be great if we get put in the same corral! I think we'll be on about the same pace by marathon time!

Oh...and I guess I will watch AI tonight just to see it through to the end. SOOOO glad your knee was good on the run and welcome back from a wonderful WDW trip! I can't wait to get back down there...I'm feeling sentimental about disney today. 3 months to go!

JUDY.....PLEASE take care of yourself! Those upper respiratory infections can be soooo tough! Don't push it! We're still in training to train mode....take care of yourself and rest!
---------------------------------------------------
So today I broke my Tuesday run curse (usually my worst run of the week) and did 4 miles with a 10:30 avg or there abouts! I still lose my pace on my long hill mile (over 11 mpm) but overall I felt good! Finished in 41:58 w/ avg 168 bpm which I think is good HR?! BTW....LOVE LOVE LOVE my Garmin

 

[xterratri]

FL 70.3 race report

First things first- my Goofy application was turned in Saturday to the Disney Endurance types that were at the Expo so it's official- I'm going Goofy.(Wanted the DVC discount so needed to do the paper app) I also put down an ambitious 1/2 time of 1:55 on it so I will need to run a sub- 2 hour 1/2 mary to provide proof of time by/during this fall. I know I can or I wouldn't have put it down.

The plane touched the ground at 11:58 pm so it was technically still Thursday night. Collected the bike and got Magically Expressed to VWL. It was our first time at VWL and we would definitely stay there again. This would be blasphemy to my family but in some ways I liked it better than OKW.

Had breakfast at Whispering Canyon and took my sister to work so we could have her car. Put the bike together Friday morning and went for a run of one modified lap of the course. The Garmin clocked it at 4.12 miles but I skipped one loop portion- each lap should have been approx 4.3 miles. Encountered the first good news-bad news thing of the weekend: good news- over half the run was on trail, bad news- there was no, absolutely no shade for most of the run. Picked my packet up and found out I was starting in the 9th wave of 17 at 7:01 am, only 31 minutes after the first wave. No waiting around for an hour and a half like at St Anthony's. Got lunch at Trail's End. Good memories of the pre-Marathon WISH meet there. We met my cousin and his wife and their sons at DTD and got dinner at EoS.

Saturday morning we drove the course. So very glad we did that. I had heard that there were hills(yes, rolling not mountains but very definitely hills) and it was nice to have seen some of the technical turns and tricky sections ahead of time. It really was a pretty area w/ the hills, lakes, and orange groves. Went for an easy spin of the bike and then checked it into transition. Saturday nights at these races transition holds approx 6 million dollars of bikes. This is based on 2000 racers and an average cost per bike of $3000. Another triathlete thinks that my 3K per bike estimate is lowballing it. Needless to say they have mucho security for the transition area. Went to dinner offsite w/ the BeginnerTriathlete group. Decent meal and good group of people- some of the same ones I had met at St Anthony's but mostly new people.

Sunday- well, I got about 1 1/2 hours of sleep from 10ish until midnight and then I was wide awake waiting for 4 am to roll around when Mom(NYcpa) would be getting up. She and Erin(Stitch_lover_Sith) signed up to bodymark and they had to report by 0430. I thought transition closed at 0545(actually 0630) and I was awake anyway so I got up at 0430 and out of the Villa by 0450. It was kind of neat walking down the bike path to Fort Wilderness in the moonlight w/ a bit of haze hanging in the woods. Filled my 'water' bottles(w/ Gatorade), set up my transition, checked my bike tires and went to get body marked. Spent the next hour sitting on the fence by the body mark people talking w/ my family and some of the BTers. I wasn't cold but I couldn't stop shaking.

The swim- we started on the right side of the boat dock facing out to the lake at Fort Wilderness and finished on the left. The water was warm at 81-82 degrees so it was over the USAT wetsuit limit of 78. I was expecting that so I didn't even travel w/ a wetsuit. Due to the indigenous wildlife(freshwater in FL=alligators) the lake wasn't open for swimming prior to race morning so all I had done was stick my toes in to verify temperature. They started what they figured were going to be the slower waves earlier to give them more times to make the cutoffs so my age group (W30-34) started in about the middle. While we were waiting on the beach I was talking to a lady in my wave from Boston and Black Eyed Peas "Let's get this party started" was playing. I felt like puking. I just wanted it to start so the anticipation was over and that feeling would go away. It did when I was suddenly too busy swimming to think about it. I'm not a great swimmer so my goal was sub 40 minutes for the 1.2 mile swim and I was out of the water in 39:51.

TBC in part 2- have to go run and then swim in 57 degree water. Yippee

 

[keenercam]

Judy and Cam.... I signed up for the full today . I just did it. Skipped the DVC discount since I can't do it online and just DID IT! I knew if I printed it out to mail it would sit and sit.....so I took a deep breath and filled in the form and away it went thru cyber space!

And Krista...I do feel like I'm going to throw up . WHAT AM I THINKING LOL!!!!

Amy – SOOO glad to hear you registered. I want you to remember one very important thing (especially when you feel like you are going to be sick) – you are not in this alone. Not for a single day, not for a single moment, and not even when you are out there on the Full course. We are all supported by our WISH buddies here and we will get each other through the training to train phase, and the training, and the nerve wracking days before the event and the entire marathon weekend.

And when all is said and done, you will have enjoyed the process so tremendously because of everything you are feeling now and because you are able to look back on today’s post somewhere down the line and know that today was the turning point. You had the courage to make the commitment. Now we will help you hold yourself to it. You may not know it but there are some very talented dog catchers around here, and we will come looking for you!

Just keep doing the awesome job you are doing. And when it comes right down to it, nowhere does it say you need to run the marathon. Your goal today is to get yourself to the start and then to get yourself to the finish. (Uh, yeah, I am trying to brainwash myself, but my insides are still jelly, and I am planning to walk it!). Great run today, BTW!

 

[AmyBeth68]

CAM......THANK YOU ~THANK YOU ~THANK YOU!!! Your post means the WORLD to me! I would add a huggy smile but my smilies won't post for some reason?! Just had to let you know that you made my day and I appreciate it SOOO much!!!!!!! ((((BIG HUGS))))

 

[KeenHo]

Hi everyone, again for the great words and encouragement. I am feeling fine, almost 100% pain free. There are moments when I get up that I feel it in my calves. Not too much residual pain though. I am doing just fine and letting the immense attainment sink in a bit.

I sent Cam the photos she took and I hope she'll post them for me later on this evening or tomorrow. I am pretty much tech deficient here on this site. No pretty counters, bells or whistles in my signature, etc.

I am REALLY, REALLY looking forward to January and the WISH meet prior to the Half and Full Marathons. The challenge of "Goin' Goofy" has sunken in these past few days and I am a bit nervous about making them both happen in the same weekend.

Have a great evening! Thanks again!

Howard

 

[keenercam]

I sent Cam the photos she took and I hope she'll post them for me later on this evening or tomorrow. I am pretty much tech deficient here on this site. No pretty counters, bells or whistles in my signature, etc.

His wish is my command. Every time I try to do this, I hope I get it right. Let's see if this works. IF it does,
#1 is Howard with DS12 -- he failed to eat breakfast, so I forced him to eat a powerbar
#2 is Howard running the loop the first time
#3 is on the second loop, I believe, and our friend who has done 7 marathons is with him, encouraging him and making sure he takes in some fluids
#4 is him trying to outrun the kiddies, that the race organizers plunked onto the course for the 1 mile fun run, while the marathoners were still coming in
#5 is the finish line clock after Howard passed it
#6 is him looking pretty darn "not bad" after he collected his medal

It worked! YIPPEE!!

 

[WDWFAN9]

Awesome pictures! Way to go Howard!!

 

[jodistar]

Excellent job Howard!

Thanks for sharing the photos Cam/Howard