Will there ever be an Exclusive DVC resort at WDW

[eporter66]

If DVC continues to grow (now with the confirmed building at AKL), would they ever consider a resort just for DVC members?

I would have to say no, it probably would not make any sense to build an exclusive DVC resort on property, but it would be cool.

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[Chuck S]

Disney/DVC will more than likely always maintain a small percentage of interest that can be rented for cash if not used for scheduled maintenance. Also, to do what you suggest would prohibit members at that resort for being able to trade to other destinations, like cruises and DL hotels, as those points are then rented and the income from those rental offsets the cost to DVC of the trade. The closest we will see to "exclusive" DVC resorts are OKW and SSR, the condo stye resorts not "attached" to regular Disney hotels. Plus, in order to be exclusive, you'd have to prohibit any member from renting, which I don't think can legally be accomplished under FL law.

 

[drakethib]

Gotta ask and not trying to start a flame war, what benefit would a DVC only resort be?

 

[Beca]

I'm confused...I thought SSR and OKW were exclusively DVC resorts?

Help me out, here!!

 

[Chuck S]

I'm confused...I thought SSR and OKW were exclusively DVC resorts?

Help me out, here!!

I think what the OP is asking about is a DVC resort where only Members could stay there...no cash ressies for non-members through Disney CRO.

OKW and SSR are "dedicated" DVC resorts, in that they are not "attached" to a WDW hotel, but non-members may still rent rooms at OKW and SSR directly through Disney.

 

[Beca]

I think what the OP is asking about is a DVC resort where only Members could stay there...no cash ressies for non-members through Disney CRO.

OKW and SSR are "dedicated" DVC resorts, in that they are not "attached" to a WDW hotel, but non-members may still rent rooms at OKW and SSR directly through Disney.

Got it!! Well, with people renting, and DVC maintaining 4%....I think they're about as "exclusive" as we're going to get.

Question to the OP: What would you be looking for in "exclusivity" that you feel you do not already have in these resorts? I'm NOT trying to start anything...I'm just trying to better understand your question.

Thanks!!!

 

[Anewman]

If they every did(not say they will/should).

The Maint Fees would be outragous.

 

[Beca]

If they every did(not say they will/should).

The Maint Fees would be outragous.

Why??

I think I am missing something in the definition of "exclusive". Can you explain this to me??

TIA!!1

 

[Chuck S]

I'm not sure it woudl really have any effect on maintenance fees, as SSR & OKW are both fully sold and do not share any common expenses with a regular WDW resort, but as I stated earlier, it would virtually be impossible for a member to trade out of the DVC system without making rooms available for cash. If members DID have the ability to trade, then those expenses would have to be picked-up by dues, and then, yes, the dues would be high.

 

[Anewman]

Why??

I think I am missing something in the definition of "exclusive". Can you explain this to me??

TIA!!1

If a room goes empty there are no proceeds to help bring our fees down.
If a room is rented by a NON DVC member proceeds help bring down our fees.

 

[Chuck S]

If a room goes empty there are no proceeds to help bring our fees down.
If a room is rented by a NON DVC member proceeds help bring down our fees.

I don't thinkthere are currently a large number of rooms that help that, anyway. I believe relatively few OKW rooms are turned over to CRO because they aren't reserved at the 60 day mark.

Most rooms that bring cash into the DVC system are because members traded out to other locations.

We get no proceeds when Disney rents their maintenance inventory, and Disney pays no dues/fees on the ownership portion they retain.

 

[Anewman]

I'm not sure it woudl really have any effect on maintenance fees, as SSR & OKW are both fully sold and do not share any common expenses with a regular WDW resort, but as I stated earlier, it would virtually be impossible for a member to trade out of the DVC system without making rooms available for cash. If members DID have the ability to trade, then those expenses would have to be picked-up by dues, and then, yes, the dues would be high.

OK maybe I missunderstood how this whole cash rooms thing works.

I was under the impression that if SSR was looking at a lot of vacant rooms(point wise), they could be turned over to CRO to get some $$$$.

 

[Chuck S]

OK maybe I missunderstood how this whole cash rooms thing works.

I was under the impression that if SSR was looking at a lot of vacant rooms(point wise), they could be turned over to CRO to get some $$$$.

Rooms that are unreserved by members (in DVC inventory) at the 60 day mark are turned over to CRO for cash. At resorts that are still under construction, like SSR, rooms become available for cash as they are completed, before a building is declared part of DVC (in other words, buildings in which no points have, as yet, been sold) Disney gets to keep all profit from that...there is no reimbursement to DVC. Expect dues to rise some when SSR is completed and there is no "developer points" and all buildings have been declared available to members.

 

[Dean]

All this would do would be to remove certain exchange options for members. I guess my question is what would you have them do with vacant rooms. If they went to members on the cheap, there would certainly be a downside in terms of fees and exchange options as a minimum. There are other systems that give members the unused rooms cheaply and many members of those systems know how to manipulate that option.

 

[tomandrobin]

We get no proceeds when Disney rents their maintenance inventory, and Disney pays no dues/fees on the ownership portion they retain.

I thought disney paid dues/fees for the points they own. I do remember that being stated at the BWV model and the tour over at SSR. I thought all owners, including Disney paid MFs for the points owned.

 

[Chuck S]

I thought disney paid dues/fees for the points they own. I do remember that being stated at the BWV model and the tour over at SSR. I thought all owners, including Disney paid MFs for the points owned.

I was sure that I had read in the POS that Disney/DVC did not haveto pay dues on their retained interest. Maybe I imagined it..I skimmed my POS twice just now and didn't see a waiver.

 

[Caskbill]

I was sure that I had read in the POS that Disney/DVC did not haveto pay dues on their retained interest. Maybe I imagined it..I skimmed my POS twice just now and didn't see a waiver.

I don't know if they do pay some type of costs or not, but I would certainly hope so.

Otherwise the rest of us, as members, would be paying higher dues to cover the common expenses for the resort that are used by those person renting Disney's units through CRO. This would include such things as CM's salaries, pool operations, transportation costs, landscaping/outside maintenance, variable costs such as electricity, and possibly even housekeeping costs, including laundry, etc.

 

[spiceycat]

Most rooms that bring cash into the DVC system are because members traded out to other locations.

Disney gets all the profits (if any) from member trading.

DVC member only get the profits (remember that CRO takes half) on unused villas.

so renting to non-members is a very good thing.

 

[MiniGirl]

We get no proceeds when Disney rents their maintenance inventory, and Disney pays no dues/fees on the ownership portion they retain.

I'm not trying to stir anything up -- just trying to understand how it all works. I just took the DVC tour, and I thought my guide said that Disney does pay MF/dues on the points they retain. Did I misunderstand him?
Eva

 

[Mtnman44]

Does it really matter? Upkeep, operations, and taxes cost Disney X per year and they receive Y from member dues. Whether Y = X or X>Y, it really doesn't matter. Disney doesn't pay for anything, it's customers do. Just like any other business. Whether it's your DVC dues, your park tickets, the profit from food and retail, we all pay for Disney's bills. So whether they are expensing related costs of the points they hold, and building that cost into their DVC membership or whether they simply include Disney owned points costs into the Maint Fees that they charge all the members, it really doesn't matter.