Will the shuttle disaster affect Mission Space???

Bob O

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This article from Feb 3,2003 has his comments regarding what might happen to Mission Space as a result of the accident that took place.
Do you think it will be delayed or changed as a result of what took place??? Any effect at all or no effect??
 
I hope they open on schedule, it's already been delayed. And in 6 months, another shuttle will fly to bring down the 3 on the ISS. That would make it a celebration that the shuttle is flying again. I think they need to open in October without any advertising leading up to it. Thrill ride fans know about the ride so there will be big crowds when MS opens. Then they can roll out the advertising to the world.
 
I hope they open on schedule, it's already been delayed
And seven people just lost their lives doing what this thrill ride promises to simulate.

To say it should open just because it's already been delayed is insensitive and crass.

The three astronauts will probably be brought back to Earth via Russian shuttles. NASA will not be flying again in three months...

The ride should be delayed to the time that NASA flys again. To launch before that time would be insensitive & a PR Nightmare.
 
Originally posted by HB2K
And seven people just lost their lives doing what this thrill ride promises to simulate.

To say it should open just because it's already been delayed is insensitive and crass.

The three astronauts will probably be brought back to Earth via Russian shuttles. NASA will not be flying again in three months...

The ride should be delayed to the time that NASA flys again. To launch before that time would be insensitive & a PR Nightmare.
People have died on roller coasters, for goodness sake, and then the rides re-open a week later. Planes crash a few times a year, and yet no one says it's crass or insensitive to put kids in carnival rides that are shaped like airplanes or sell Fisher Price airport sets at toy stores. People die in car wrecks every day and no one has ever advocated that Disney shut down the Grand Prix Raceway in Tomorrowland until we can figure out a way to eliminate automobile accidents.

Whether the opening event, whenever it's held, is "insensitive" depends on how the opening is handled, and you can bet there's a committee of people who will make sure it will be appropriate. And a PR nightmare? NASA is begging for reasons to keep their space program alive, the astronaut's families are saying that space exploration should continue, and Congress and the President have vowed that it will. Opening a new pavilion that celebrates space will be a good thing for all of that. If the pavilion were ready to open tomorrow, that would be one thing. Then postponing would be appropriate. But we're talking a pavilion that isn't opening until June, at the earliest. I don't think there's anything insensitive about that, whether there's a shuttle in the skies by then or not. Should Kennedy Space Center remain closed until the Shuttle program resumes?

Columbia was a tragedy. But to say that we can't be optimistic about space travel or that we can't have fun feeling the thrill of being in space or imagining what it might be like to visit another planet doesn't honor the astronauts either.

:earsboy:
 

I think delaying the M:S opening would be a mistake. I don't think it will be delayed (beyond it's current delays other reasons). Such a pavillion might be used to give the general public a better understanding of what our heroic astronauts actually risk their lives for. If M:S were a thrill ride that simulated a failed mission that ends in a catastrophic failure and crash - by all means postpone - but I don't believe that is the case.
 
I agree with no postponement, unless the story includes a "something goes wrong" twist. If that's the case, then that should be completely eliminated. If that causes postponement, then it's justified. Otherwise, a postponement just for the sake of the disaster doesn't really have much of a purpose. I'm not trying to be crass or non-empathetic, it just doesn't make sense to me to delay the opening. We are not abandoning our space program, are we?

Mission:Space should have a very appropriate tribute to both Columbia and Challenger.
 
Mission Space will be a celebration of what those 7 people dedicated their lives to. If anything it will help relate to the general public how important the Challenger was to us all. :smooth:
 
I also think the attraction should open on time and dont think it would be crass to open the attraction if done right with the proper amount of care is given to the victims of the shuttle's that were lost. I would agree with wdsearcher.
PS I also dont think the shuttle's will be grounded anywhere near as long as they were last time as i believe they already know what took place and it work rightg away to solve the problem. According to reports the shuttle flight before this one also had some foam insulation break loose during take off with didnt occur before so they should be able to find out why it is happening now and did take place before. They also have the threat of the space station falling back into earth's orbit if the shuttle doesn arrive in the next year to give it a boost into a higher orbit. At least this is what i have heard from so called experts.
 
While I can see people saying Disney is insensitive about the 7, I find it that we are spitting on the graves of the 7 who died if Disney delays M:S. Why? Unlike Twister which was delayed after the Florida twisters, MS dosn't plan on emulating a disaster, rather a branching of understanding of the space program and rembering those who have given up their lives to furthere something dear to their heart.

Also, the ride takes place in the future, not on a Space Shuttle but on the now infamous X-2 rocket (which isn't real, but made up by NASA and WDI).

I think Disney won't delay M:S at all and will open it on schedule as NASA and such say "Open it for the 7 who died". But I bet we will see lots of pollers inside the parks asking "Will you go on a ride that feels like you are going into space and back?"
 
The question over whethor Mission Space need be postponed depends, to a great degree, on answers that do not yet exist. We have no real idea at this point how long the shuttles will be grounded, what really caused the tragedy, or what the eventual outcome of these events will be. If the shuttles fly again quickly (like before October), then Disney will probably have less of a potential problem with Mission Space. If the Nasa program remains earthbound for the next year or so, I'm still not convinced Disney has to wait on flights to resume to open this attraction, but it does make the situation much less certain. The sticking point here might well be just how closely M:S resembles a Nasa Space Shuttle experience. I don't think anyone could think the Star Tours vehicles sufficiently like the Columbia to appear insensitive, and this "X-2" rocket may not either.

There is additional recent precedent for "current events" affecting theme park attractions, though. I don't know how accurate the tales are, but just off the top of my head, I can recall rumors stating that changes were supposedly made to Superstar Limo (due to Princess Diana's paparazzi-linked (sp?) accident) and the removal of sword-fight scenes (?) from a certain recent animated feature (due to 9-11).

Of course, we still don't even really know when Mission Space will actually open. If the opening had been next week or next month, then a delay might very well be appropriate. By October, however, the respectful period of mourning may have sufficiently passed. As the Jim Hill piece noted, the problem is the preperation work going on right now. If this prerequisite work is significantly delayed, then perhaps the opening may have to be as well?
 
The last date I heard for the opening is "Sometime this year" This was on Last Tuesday in a session on the DVC Member Cruise. I do not think that they had time to yell the speaker about changes due to the shuttle problem.

My take on this is that the ride may not be able to open this year from technical problems. This is a great excuse. I do not think it should be postponed, but I think that that there should be a dedication to fallen astronauts; Not Just the Columbia. I think that Disney could put a masterful spin on this, and open it next week "Dedicated to the work the they gave their lives for" If there is a crash and burn type of ending, that should be postponed..

JMHO

:bounce:
 
Deep rumors – there is a “something goes wrong” storyline to ‘Mission: Space’, just like there’s been in the old ‘Flight to the Moon’ and ‘Mission to Mars’ attractions. It’s been a concern for ‘M:S’ back to Sept. 11. At the time it (along with yet another round of budget cuts) caused a substantial re-thinking of the entire show, but most of those were restored. It is very likely those same types of discussions are going on now.
 
Here's an article that discusses the subject:


AP article

Posted on Thu, Feb. 06, 2003

Experts: Disney must act with sensitivity in marketing new space ride
MIKE SCHNEIDER
Associated Press

CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. - When Walt Disney World announced plans to build a spaceflight simulator three years ago, it seemed like savvy timing. The first crew was getting ready to go up to the International Space Station, and Disney was in a position to capitalize on interest in the space program and its proximity to the Kennedy Space Center 70 miles away.

Now, following the space shuttle Columbia disaster, Disney finds itself facing a potential public relations minefield with the opening of the Mission: Space ride just months away.

If Disney handles the ride's opening with sensitivity to the Columbia disaster and markets it as an homage to the space program, it could escape any fallout, theme park consultants said. If Disney isn't careful and sells the ride as a thrill-seeking experience, it could backfire, they note.

Disney's Mission: Space web site, for instance, asked visitors in a poll Thursday, "Do you think space travel is dangerous?"

"They're thinking, 'Really bad timing' from the viewpoint of the ride opening," said Dennis Spiegel, president of International Theme Park Services Inc., a Cincinnati-based consulting firm. "When you have a catastrophic tragedy like this, it doesn't bode well for you."

When it comes to opening a new ride, Disney isn't the first theme park to have tragedy collide with its fantasy world. Universal Studios in Orlando, out of respect for victims, delayed for a couple of months the opening of its "Twister" ride in 1998 following tornadoes that killed 42 people in central Florida.

"This certainly changes the way you market the attraction," said Robert Niles, editor of themeparkinsider.com, an online newsletter about theme parks.

If Disney officials "ignore what happened here and make it perceived to be a frivolous thrill ride, then that can peeve a lot of people off," he said. "But this is a company that thinks, rethinks and triple thinks everything when it comes to public relations."

Mission: Space is still under construction. When it opens, visitors will board a four-person simulator where they will be flat on their backs for liftoff. Using hydraulic lifts, the ride will give visitors the feeling of intense G-forces as a spacecraft escapes Earth's atmosphere.

Disney has a lot riding on the $150 million Mission: Space, as it is only one of two new attractions opening this year at the resort. The other new attraction, Mickey's PhilHarmagic, is a 3-D film and much less ambitious than Mission: Space.

The resort, like Orlando's other theme parks, relies on new attractions to lure tourists back, especially when a tepid economy and fears of a war are discouraging people from visiting. Last year, attendance was down between 4 percent and 8 percent at Disney's four Florida theme parks, according to Amusement Business, a trade publication.

Since its inception, Disney has been promoting effusively the space ride at its Epcot park. During the ride's announcement three years ago, Disney officials touted the ride's sponsorship by the computer company, Compaq, which has since merged with Hewlett-Packard, and bragged that the ride was getting technical advice from former NASA scientists and astronauts, such as Story Musgrave.

The company has one advantage in that it hasn't set an official opening date, only saying sometime in 2003, and can be flexible.

Disney spokeswoman Jacquee Polack said Thursday that it was inappropriate to comment on the attraction out of respect for the seven astronauts killed when Columbia re-entered the atmosphere last Saturday.

"Our hearts go out to the families involved in this tragedy and this isn't the time for us to be talking about our attraction," Polack said.

But Bill Warren, another Disney spokesman, said discussions on how to market the ride haven't even begun so marketing executives aren't even considering at this point how the Columbia tragedy will affect their plans.

The company will likely play down the thrill-ride aspect of the attraction and play up reverence for the space program and the beauty and majesty of space travel, Spiegel said.

The fact that the ride is at the Epcot park, which has several educational attractions on science and technology, may allow Disney take a more instructional tone with the ride, said Steve Baker, an Orlando-based theme park consultant.

The attention to the space program following the Columbia tragedy may actually raise the profile of Mission: Space, said Bill Coan, who runs a theme-park design company in Orlando.

"I believe events like this add to the eventual excitement of an attraction like that," said Coan whose company, ITEC, worked on the ride. "The last thing they want to do is appear to leverage this ... but it doesn't hurt them a bit to show there is still an interest in space exploration."
 
Open it up when it is ready to open.
It is an amusement park ride that celebrates
space travel.

Yes it was a tragedy. Real space travel
is real dangerious, that doen't make it
less compelling and less of an acheivment
or a reason not to maintain an interest in it.

You going to close Spce Mountain too?

How about Star Tours?
 











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