Will rumored price increase also be for AKV? (And other ???)

[GoofItUp]

There's a LOT of talk about a price increase when BLT and/or the CA DVC goes up for sell. As far as I know, AKV is not close to being sold out, so will the price there go up as well? It wouldn't make sense to me to charge 2 different prices - one at AKV and another at BLT. It seems that with a $15-20 spread on the price, the location would have to be astronomically important to a person to spend the extra. Of course, on a 160 pt contract you're talking about a max of $3400 dollars. I guess if you put it that way over this kind of investment it might be well worth it to some.

Then there's talk about the points chart changing. I'm not understanding that either. If I had just bought 160 or 200 or however many points to accomodate my family vacations for the next 50 years and they went up on what a unit cost so that my points were actually worth less, I'd be big time ticked off. Plus, I thought the points chart always had to remain the same (i.e., a studio unit that cost 11 points Sun-Thurs in value season will always cost 11 points Sun-Thurs in value season).

So, I'm clearly not understanding some things about how these new DVC places will effect what's currently out there. Will someone please straighten me out on it? (My DH would also appreciate me being straightened out by someone - he's been trying for years! )

 

[mrdiscranky]

If you look at the resale market, you'll see spreads of $15-20 per point. Disney may put the same nominal price on AKV as BTL, but there were will incentives and discounts to bring AKV's cost down.

Most of the talk of point charts chaning refers to the unpublished point charts for BLT. Since they aren't published, they can do whatever they want.

Once they are published, the total amount of points is locked in, but they can still be tweaked a bit. So they can take a studio that costs 11 points Sun-Thursday and 25 points Sat-Sun, and make it 13 points Sun Thurdsay and 20 points Sat-Sun. They can also tweak between seasons and whatnot, but the total points have to stay the same. Note that in 16 years, DVC has only touched the point chart once.

 

[GoofItUp]

Ok...I misunderstood the points charge changing comments...I thought it was for other DVC resorts. It makes sense that the BLT rooms will have new point values.

 

[AlexTina]

From what I understand Disney cannot sell different resorts at different prices so if the price goes up for California and BLT then it will go up for every resort. The difference may be that they will continue to offer a per point discount at AKV and at least initially not offer one at BLT. So you wind up with point prices at all resorts in the $115-$120 range but say at AKV you get a $10 per point reduction so your really paying $105-$110 for AKV and still paying the $115-$120 at BLT, hope that makes sense.

As far as the point charts go all the resorts have different point charts, for example it would cost you more points to stay at VWL in a 1 bdrm for 7 nights than it cost you to stay at AKV in a 1 bdrm standard view for 7 nights in the same season. So they could definately charge more points per night to stay at BLT. Once you buy you are locked into the point chart at your resort so once they start selling they cannot change the points chart, however, since they have not started selling they can change it all they want. For example if you figure how many points you need to stay 7 nights in a 1 bdrm at AKV once a year for the next 50 years then you'll never have to worry about your points being worthless because the points chart for AKV is set. If you buy at AKV based on AKV's point chart hoping to stay in the same accomodations for the same length of time at BLT then you are likely to be disappointed. HTH

Tina

 

[rgoulette2]

Can they take the total number of points for rent at a resort "lets say 1000" and divi them up different. as an example.
OKW currnetly 8 pts studio 16 points 1 bdr to 10 pts studio 14 points 1 bdr?

 

[mrdiscranky]

as an example.
OKW currnetly 8 pts studio 16 points 1 bdr to 10 pts studio 14 points 1 bdr?

I've heard experts give both answers to this question.

I'm convinced that the keep-points-the-same rule is applies on a unit basis. So if it takes 12,000 points to stay in a studio for a year, and 20,000 points for a 2BR, those point totals have to remain roughly the same after any reallocation. Folks who understand this stuff better than I have said the same.

But other folks that understand this stuff better than I have said the opposite. That as long as the total number of points in the entire system is unchanged, they can make it 14,000 points for a year in a studio, and 18,000 points a year in a 2BR.

 

[drusba]

Disney can sell resorts at different prices (they are doing that now with the difference between the new resorts and points that become available for the older sold out resorts). However, in the past, they have kept the price per point for resorts not yet sold out at the same price. Instead, they just make the incentives different -- e.g., like today where the incentive for AKV is $8 per point and for SSR $10. They can also effectively make one resort more expensive than another by just requiring more points per night. I suspect when BLV becomes available it will be a combination of those two -- price for AKV and BLV will be stated as the same but AKV will have a much better incentice discount and BLV will have higher per point cost per night.

They could theorectically raise points for studios and lower for larger units at an existing resort and still comply with rule that they cannot increase total points. Any change would apply on a per "unit" basis but a "unit" is not a room. Under the offical documents, a "unit," the thing you have an ownership interest in, is usually several rooms and is a combination of different sized rooms (for example, each building at OKW is a unit). The documents define a room as a "vacation home" to distinguish it from a "unit." A barrier to reallocating higher points to sudios while lowering for larger rooms (or at least a barrier to making it a significant swing) is that there is a Maximum Reallocation Chart which indicates that the point differences among the different sized rooms need to stay fairly proportional to the range they have now.