Will hubby be out of place at dinner with a polo shirt and no jacket?

[Cruisin]

I have a "technical" question to ask?
Since you have purchased a cruise vacation from the Disney Cruise Line or any other company for that matter, are they technically your "host"?
Are you not a customer, instead of guest?
Just something I have been wondering about.

 

[manchurianbrownbear]

We were on the 11/6 3-day Wonder. I wore a jacket and tie to Tritons (and it didn't kill me! ). I was surprised at how many men were not wearing jackets, although, it was the first night of the cruise and it was a challenge to get the wrinkles out of everything.

 

[ThreeCircles]

I agree 100% with Topper.

It's really a matter and a reflection of how you conduct yourself as an adult and person.

If Suggested Attire is given, then DCL obviously wants to create a certain atmosphere. It's not that they want to be mean, to punish, or to dissuade someone from coming to diner. (Think of the age-old ocean liners, with their grand staircases, and elegant dining rooms. Men in tux, ladies in evening gown.) They want to create a unique environment where one can enjoy diner! Even the wait staff and photographers are dressed appropriately. They have asked kindly that you wear suggested attire. They have composed themselves and acted like a top-rate company would. Personally, I would like to see people turned away at the door for not being properly dressed. Maybe, if we're all lucky, it will happen one day. (Trust me, Disney can do it. Try getting into Victoria & Albert's without a jacket. It won't happen!)

I often wonder how people who disregard the little "cruise line rules" behave in other aspects of their lives. Are they the ones that go through the express lane with 25 items and then write a check because it won't take them that long? Do they throw their cigarette butts out the window because it's not really littering?

And to those who use the "I'm on vacation" line... Yes, you are. Enjoy it! Dress up! Have fun! And, if it's not your thing, enjoy diner at Topsiders! Or order room service! Or, perhaps you should consider a different type of vacation. One that requires less work. The Disney Parks are quite casual. How about them?

And finally, in response to the guest vs. customer question, Disney, and many other companies, like to refer to the buyers of their products or services as guests. It's more of a PR thing than anything I think. But, if you get *really* technical, I think you could be considered a guest on the ship. They own the vessel. They can deny passage to anyone they choose. Therefore, you're a guest of Disney Cruise Line on their ship.

As I said in the beginning of this post, I agree with Topper 100%. I'm not trying to tell people what to do or how to dress. I'm only stating how I feel about the issue!

 

[jgalecpa]

Topper is right. So are Jason and Travis.

While you are paying to be here, DCL is free to set guidelines as it chooses, as long as they are within certain legal parameters.

One certainly may not feel like dressing up, Disney has provided many options for those people who choose not to.

Feel free to avail your selves of those should you so choose.

That way, those who choose casual will feel comfortable and those who choose formal will also.

I believe that talking during a movie is rude. So is showing up in shorts to a wedding. There is a time and a place for everything.

Formal nights = dress nicely. Casual nights = dress casually.

My two cents

 

[Cruisin]

I beg to differ from your opinion Three Circles on the guest-customer idea.
Yes Disney can deny passage to anyone they choose because it is "their' ship, but once they take your money you are a customer no matter how pretty they want to make it sound by calling you a guest.
I think when people pay thousands of dollars to a company for a product or service they are not a guest of that company. To me the term guest implies that you have been invited to join someone and are not expected to give anything in return.
Just because someone prefers to dress a certain way, (as long as it is not indecent) does not necessarily make them a bad person in all other areas of life, such as the grocery line and the littering stuff.
I think that sometimes there is too much judging that goes on about people by what they wear or don't wear. I believe that you should take the time to get to know the person underneath not just dismiss them because of their outer appearance.
I don't really care what a person chooses to wear and I wouldn't put you down for wearing your formal wear anymore than I would put someone else down for being "comfortable"

 

[jgalecpa]

Just because a person has paid to be somewhere does not mean that person gets to set the rules. If everyone sets their own rules that is called anarchy.

One may be dressed very nicely, but if one brings a small crying child to a theater they are being rude. Not only to the owners of the theater, but to the people around you who have also paid to be there and have paid to have an ambiance of a given nature.

Someone may be outwardly very nice but if he/she cheats on their spouse, I reserve the right to judge that behaviour.

I have long ago learned not to judge a person by their outward appearance.

I do reserve the right to judge a person as to how he/sher follows rules.

 

[Cruisin]

yes, i see your points, jgalecpa
But it seems to me on this point about dining room clothing that there is too much "snobbishness" going on.
I am not a proponent of either style of dress, of very casual or very formal. I feel that as long as someone comes to the dining room dressed neatly and cleanly, once they are sitting at the table who notices what they have on anymore. What other people wear does not affect my enjoyment of my meal at all, I am there to eat my dinner so if I have a tux say and the other people at my table are wearing jeans, what is the big deal.
I think the major reason behind all of these clashes about what everyone wears is because there are not "rules" there are only suggestions. If there were clear cut rules then they would have to be followed but since there are not, you have to take what you get, everyone's interpretation of the suggestions will be different.
I am not arguing for one side or the other in this matter, I just don't understand why there is such a fuss made about it.

 

[poopie]

was turned away from Tritons because she was wearing jeans on the 4 day cruise. She had on a really nice top and a long over coat but blue jeasn, we went back to the room and she changed into Capris, she is a cowgirl and that was dressed-up for her.

I agree if you don't want to dress up skip the dining room and eat somewhere else .

That being said a nice polo shirt and slacks is fine with me, it's the jeans, cut-offs,shorts and bathing suits I don't want to see in the dining room.

That's just me.

 

[ThreeCircles]

Originally posted by Cruisin'Kroezes

Just because someone prefers to dress a certain way, (as long as it is not indecent) does not necessarily make them a bad person in all other areas of life, such as the grocery line and the littering stuff.
I think that sometimes there is too much judging that goes on about people by what they wear or don't wear. I believe that you should take the time to get to know the person underneath not just dismiss them because of their outer appearance.

I should have been clearer in my comparison. I didn't mean to imply that I was judging those people as being "bad" or "unworthy" by any means. I was just wondering if their non-compliance with rules (or "suggested attire" flows into other aspects of their lives. From this thread and numerous others on the same topic, it seems that most people don't want to wear a jacket or tie because they don't want to be uncomfortable or "put themselves out". Well, I'm sure that some individuals feel the same about the other topics I mentioned. I don't want garbage in my car so I'll throw my cigarette butt out the window. I don't want to waste my time in a long line so I'll make people wait behind me while I take advantage of a check-out designed for those who only have a few items. I don't want to follow the "suggested attire" because I don't want to be inconvenienced. No mind those around me.

I would agree that you shouldn't judge someone by what they wear. Personally, I'm a very casual person and prefer shorts, T-shirt, and a pair of sandals. BUT, when asked, I wear appropriate clothing. In that way, my choice of clothing (not so much the clothing itself) IS a representation of the person that I am. It IS a representation of the person underneath.

I can buy into your customer argument somewhat. I do think that as a paying customer you should expect (and receive) certain things in return. And, I think that DCL provides these. People pay thousands of dollars to eat in an elegant restaurant with good food and drink in an upscale setting. You *deserve* a nice environment. And, isn't that what Disney is trying to provide by having a "suggested attire" in the first place?

 

[Cruisin]

Yes Three Circles unfortunately there are too many people who belive the rules do not apply to them. You just have to drive around town in your car to find that out. I saw 3 cars go thru a red light just yesterday. There are and always will be people like that.
I think that this whole thing could be resolved if instead of giving "suggestions", Disney made straight forward distinct "rules" of dress codes they wanted to have in their dining room. Then there would be no room for interpretation.
Until they do that there will be these discussions each time someone asks "What do we wear to dinner"!!!!!!!!
Thanks for the interesting debate on this subject, I have enjoyed it.
Robin

 

[Cruisin]

hey jgalecpa
Thanks to you too for your input into this argument/debate.
I always enjoy reading your posts.
Robin

 

[DMS_cruisers04]

This, unfortunately, is one of those blue in the face topics.
So instead of another comment about my opinion on the situation, I pose a question to all those that think they deserve to wear whatever they choose because, after all, it's only a suggestion.
Even though it's not a rule, do you "move all the way down the row" when you go to see MuppetVision, Country Bear Jamboree or Honey I Shrunk the Audience, or do you stop in the center?
Do you take your food and beverages into the rides you've waited on or do you dispose of them?
Do you wait in line for a character greeting, or do you just walk right on up?
None of those things are rules, yet we abide by them. Why is a suggested attire aboard a "classy" (as everyone keeps pointing out) cruise any different?

JM$0.02

 

[DrCavin]

I was curious so I looked on Disney's web-site & it says:

"The attire in Animator's Palate and Parrot Cay is resort casual -- open-collar shirts and slacks for men and pants and a blouse or a casual dress for ladies. In Lumière's, Triton's, and Palo, we suggest men wear jackets and ladies wear dresses or pantsuits. We kindly request that no shorts, T-shirts or jeans be worn in any of our restaurants in the evening. We also request that swimsuits not be worn in any dining location. However, if you prefer to dine in shorts or comfy jeans, along with your favorite T-shirt, you'll want to try Pluto's Doghouse or Pinocchio's Pizzeria. If you are sailing on the Disney Magic®, you can take advantage of the relaxed dress code at Topsider Buffet. Of course, there's always room service. Or on special occasions, dress up in your colorful island attire, including flowered shirts and muu muus at the themed TROPICALIfragilistic-expialidocious Dinner. During the 7-Night Caribbean Cruise, appropriate attire is also suggested for our elegant and semi-formal evenings when dining with the Master Chef Series and the Captain's Gala Dinner. Tuxedo rentals are available in advance."

The RULES are no shorts, T-Shirts or jeans, they SUGGEST jackets & dresses or pantsuits. So my opinion is if someone chooses to wear a collared shirt & non-jeans then they are perfectly fine. I really dont consider wearing a collared shirt & dockers dressing up, but that is another topic.

There is a HUGE difference between not following rules & not following suggestions.

ThreeCircles said Try getting into Victoria & Albert's without a jacket. Is that their rule? If it is then you should not be allowed in without a jacket.

Until Disney says these are the rules, then we should not be upset by what someone wears to dinner if it is within the no jeans short, t-shirt rules.

I do agree shorts should not be allowed at dinner, but Disney already says that is the RULE.

No need to stress over clothes

 

[DisneyGator01]

Dr, I think you hit the nail on the head...

 

[ThreeCircles]

Originally posted by DrCavin

ThreeCircles said Try getting into Victoria & Albert's without a jacket. Is that their rule? If it is then you should not be allowed in without a jacket.

Victoria & Albert's is probably the most upscale restaurant on property at Walt Disney World. Dinner is done with wine parings and usually runs about $145 or so per person. The rule is, you don't come dressed as requested (jacket and tie) you don't get in. And, it's enforced.

 

[ms1]

Actually, Victoria & Albert's is tie OPTIONAL. CM who booked my Chef's Table reservation kept repeating that so it would be clear.

 

[DMS_cruisers04]

ms1, do you mean Black Tie Optional?
That would make more sense since we're talking about Victoria & Albert's.
He probably kept repeating it so that you would come dressed appropriately and not be turned away.

 

[Miss Jasmine]

I guess I wasn't the fashion police on my cruise. Heck I never even noticed what our tablemates were wearing. I was there to have fun, enjoy the food and enjoy the conversation. All of that happened. I didn't care what anyone was wearing and I wouldn't have thought any less of them for not following the suggestions. Life is too short to worry over such trivial matters.

There are rules and there are suggestions. Go with what you feel is right and don't worry.

 

[Nick@ VB+OKW]

Originally posted by Miss Jasmine
I guess I wasn't the fashion police on my cruise.
There are rules and there are suggestions. Go with what you feel is right and don't worry.

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I agree.

 

[Cruisin]

I agree with you Miss Jasmine, because in the end the food tastes the same, no matter what clothes anybody has on. And that is the most important thing to me.