Will BCV end up with preferred view?

[Disney Adventurer]

I was talking with MS today and she said just about everyone was asking for the same room request at BCV, Epcot view, top floor. Do you think the demand for these rooms and the difference in this view versus a view of the street/entrance will force BCV to end up with a standard and prefered such as BWV ended up with? Or do you think DVC will just say, luck of the draw, all room views are the same points.

 

[CaptainMidnight]

I think customer demand will drive the decision. If the requests are always there, it may happen. Wouldn't be a bad thing if standard views were less points than all views are now. Standard views do let you stretch your vacation points when you want, and are a nice advantage for those who have the 11 month window.

 

[drusba]

Highly unlikely if the reports on the high volume of sales are correct. BWV started with one point sytem for all rooms. It then changed to preferred versus standard because of complaints about the parking lot views. That change was made by Disney's rewriting all its offering documents to reflect a new point system and to show that total points to be sold for the resort were less than originally established. It was only able to do that at the time because little of the resort had been sold. Once you have sold a lot of the units, doing that change becomes impossible. The reason: the purchasers of the units have set percentage interests in a unit represented by a set amount of points. If units become largely sold, you lose the oppurtunity to change the total points that will be sold at the resort without affecting adversely the actual ownership interests already sold (which Disney cannot legally do).

 

[DebbieB]

My guess is no. Since there will be few actual Epcot view rooms it would be difficult to create a separate category. At BWV, Boardwalk view is probably the most requested preferred view and since they are only 20% of the rooms, more don't get it than do, creating alot of complaints for DVC on how they define "preferred". I went to the annual meeting in 2000 and a separate Boardwalk view category idea was brought up and they shot it down quick. I don't think they want to even go there again. I agree with drusba that they are too far in the sales process to make a change now.

 

[Maistre Gracey]

Just out of curiosity, why does the total points sold have to change? Can't the points just be reallocated?

This does not affect me, as I don't own BCV. I just want to learn some of these details.

 

[Dean]

Originally posted by Maistre Gracey
Just out of curiosity, why does the total points sold have to change? Can't the points just be reallocated?

No, the total points for a unit must remain the same. They would not be able to realocated by raising some rooms and lowering others. They could change it much like BW but I wouldn't expect it at all. Just be glad they didn't actually raise the points for BC compared to BW preferred and WLV.

 

[Maistre Gracey]

Dean, I don't understand. I am quoteing directly from a copy of a product understanding checklist.
"The total number of Vacation Points required to use all Vacation Homes during each calendar year through January 31, 2042 can never increase."
This sounds like as long as thr total points stay the same, anything else is fair game.
Of course, I may just be interpeting this incorrectly.

 

[Dean]

Originally posted by Maistre Gracey
Dean, I don't understand. I am quoteing directly from a copy of a product understanding checklist.
"The total number of Vacation Points required to use all Vacation Homes during each calendar year through January 31, 2042 can never increase."
This sounds like as long as thr total points stay the same, anything else is fair game.
Of course, I may just be interpeting this incorrectly.

I'd have to go back to the documents I have to be certain. I'm pretty sure the wording in the POS for OKW is that the points for a unit will never increase but can be reallocated. I don't think it's clear if it's referring to a sales unit or an individual room. I'll have to go back and reread when I can to think more about it. Regardless, don't expect them to have more than one view type at BCV.

 

[Maistre Gracey]

Thanx Dean. I am sure it spells it out more clearly and formaly in the POS. I did not check there.

 

[Doctor P]

I, too, do not expect a change.

 

[Caskbill]

I agree they'll probably never make preferred and standard views available.

Even if reallocation is possible and they can raise the points on some rooms and lower them on others, it would make the preferred view rooms the most expensive in all of DVC. Since ALL BCV rooms are now at the BWV preferred rates, then to lower point requirements for some, would necessitate raising the others to above even the BWV preferred rate.

I for one would find it difficult to justify any extra 'value' of these few BCV rooms that would become preferred which would entice me to pay even more to stay there than I could pay (in points) to stay at a preferred BWV room.

Keep all the rooms the same, log in the preferences at the time of reservation, and let the room assignments flush out as best they can. It'll just be luck on when you get an Epcot view, and when you don't.

 

[JudithM]

I am going to be curious about DVC member's reactions after they stay at BCV. The location is wonderful, don't get me wrong. However, when driving by there last week, it seems many rooms are quite close to the road. It should be interesting ...

 

[robinb]

I agree with Judith. I saw the outside of the villas just this week. I think many people will be disappointed in "parking lot" and "service road" views which will be the majority of the views offered. The "pool view" also overlooks the parking lot and entrance road and the "Epcot view" overlooks the service road.

 

[Disney Adventurer]

Just curious for those of you who have seen the resort since they took the walls down. Will you actualy have a good view of Epcot, or are there trees, etc. in the way?

 

[Richyams]

I would also be interested in the previous posters question.

Standard and prefered views are WAY too much trouble for MS, we will never see tiered point levels again.

Also, dsuba and Dean are absolutely correct. I don't think they could do it now even in the HIGHLY unlikely circumstance that they decide they want to.

OKW and BWV POS having wording that a "unit' can never change. At OKW, those units are made up of different mixtures of rooms, this is why it would be nearly, if not completely, impossible to re-allocate pounts from one size unit to another, ie. making two bedrooms lower and studios higher.

 

[CarolMN]

This is JMHO, but I think the only (or at least the MAJOR) reason that the BWV was split into two views was that DVD thought they were going to have trouble selling it out in a reasonable amount of time. If BWV had been selling at the pace that VWL did or BCV is, I don't think the complaints would have mattered at all. (Please don't take this as a slam against BWV. It's my home resort and I am very happy with my DVC resort. I am glad that I have the option of a less costly standard view).

I agree that having two views is more work for MS. The more ways you divide up the supply, the more difficult it is to administer, and the greater possibility that you have "stranded capacity". To me, that is the big reason why the studio plus rooms are no longer guaranteed.


I am interested to see if the room requests for BCV change after it opens and people actually experience the various views.

 

[Richyams]

One reason BWV was selling so slowly was that OKW was still selling. I know, some find BWV location to be worth dealing with the tiny units, the extra high dues, and the higher point schedule, BUT to most people, as evidenced by how they were selling, to most people OKW wins hands down.

BWV sales didn't take off till OKW sold out.

I think making the tiered points requierements was a mistake, I guess DVD does also, I say that because of the fact that we will never see that tiered point system again.

 

[robinb]

Will you actualy have a good view of Epcot, or are there trees, etc. in the way?

There are some trees between the BCV units and the service road, but not a whole "privacy fence" worth. Then there is a high wall between the service road and backstage of Epcot. I suspect that you'll have to be on one of the higher floors to really get an "Epcot" view, and then you'll have to look over the backstage area. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[CaptainMidnight]

because of the fact that we will never see that tiered point system again.

This is not a fact, it is an opinion.

to most people OKW wins hands down

Sometimes it seems as the excessive need to overly defend OKW is really about other reasons that OKW being so much better than the other DVC resorts. It has some nice advantages, but others have big advantages over the older OKW.

An easy way to see whether OKW or BWV is the more desired DVC location is the availability during peak seasons for reservations in the 7 month window.

But, now that I think about it and with the helpful input from above, given the resorts small size I doubt they will set up a two tiered point structure. They don't have that type of point structure for ocean view villas vs non-ocean view villas at Vero. It will probably just be luck of the draw for the views. I think everyone know's who have invested in BCV that the lack of Boardwalk like views was one of the drawbacks of the resort. Each has it's plusses and minuses.

 

[Johnnie Fedora]

I thought I remembered reading here on the Dis someone posting that there was a change in Florida's timeshare rules just after BWV started selling. The change didn't allow that type of timeshare tiering any longer??? Can anyone verify this?? Or, I may be totally wrong.