Why stay on property?

Well you also own DVC at three places so clearly the Disney koolaid was consumed quite a while ago and large investments made. Doesn't mean it's that way for everyone!

I did drink it... and guess what?! I really liked it!!!!! 😋 You have AP’s, don’t you? You’d have to be a pretty frequent guest to need them too, correct??? My comment was in regards to the above poster saying ‘the magic is completely gone and people have zero reason to stay on property.’ To quote your reply to me “Doesn't mean it's that way for everyone!” I feel differently and expressed that. The magic is still there for our family.
 
yes yes...if you are "going to florida", you can find value staying where its cheaper and having a car, etc. if you are "going to disney world", there are myriad reasons to stay on property. i feel like people are looking for reasons to stay off property instead of staying on property. if you are going to san franciso for vacation, you dont stay in pleasanton because "why would you pay san franciso prices", right?
There you go. What is the vacation- Florida? or Disney? well said.
 
There is legitimately no reason to stay on property I know people are going to try to twist some kind of rationale thar getting into a park a half hour early... but at this point there is absolutely no reason to stay on property.

The hotels off property have better rates and now that you have your own transportation you can see more of Orlando as well
I truly don’t understand the difficulty to realize people will stay at a hotel simply because they like it. Wilderness lodge is my favorite hotel I’ve ever stayed at and I will return no matter the “perks” of doing so.
 

I have a post above, but I feel I have more to say. Come to think of it, I always have more to say. Whether it's eating breakfast or hanging out at the pool, there is that feeling of something I can't explain... gregariousness maybe? camaraderie? If you know what I'm talking about, you know what I'm talking about. It only happens when we stay onsite. I love that feeling.
100% know the feeling exactly. Like we are all in this "special bond/place together"
 
There was a time when there was not a Magical Express and Extra Magic Hours. I still loved staying there back then. Yes prices were cheaper all around. My first ticket was $9.50 (plus tax). But then again, they didn't have a life size Millennium Falcon... or an Epcot. :-)
 
I am staying on property next week for two nights because I got a LM room for around $105 a night/before tax, I needed to use ME this time, and other Disney transportation options.
 
There was a time when there was not a Magical Express and Extra Magic Hours. I still loved staying there back then. Yes prices were cheaper all around. My first ticket was $9.50 (plus tax). But then again, they didn't have a life size Millennium Falcon... or an Epcot. :-)
Yes but there was also a time when there weren't a million people at WDW.
 
I looked yesterday and rooms at RP and the other high-end Universal hotels were ~$300 per night. My Beach Club room for the same time period is nearly 2x that. And the Universal stay comes with Express Unlimited. Unless I'm missing something, it's way cheaper.
Unless you are a DVC member. Then the rooms are cheaper than those Universal rooms.
 
I’m staying on property on a triplet split stay eom March.Call me crazy but we shall see if it was worth it. One thing is hopefully for certain. It beats being locked down in my house.
 
yes yes...if you are "going to florida", you can find value staying where its cheaper and having a car, etc. if you are "going to disney world", there are myriad reasons to stay on property. i feel like people are looking for reasons to stay off property instead of staying on property. if you are going to san franciso for vacation, you dont stay in pleasanton because "why would you pay san franciso prices", right?
Oh, I agree. It’s not all about the cost for us, more a case of being in a foreign country (albeit one that speaks nearly the same language that we do 😊 ) and enjoying everything else that’s a little different, from what’s on the supermarket shelves, through clothes with different cuts and colours, to the whole ‘Florida vibe’. WDW is just a (quite large) part of that...

The only thing we don’t really appreciate about hiring a villa is the TV - the ads are bad enough in the UK but yours are completely out of control! 😊😊😊
 
The only reason is and has always been the bubble and the experience that offers (including on-site transportation).

Even with DME and all the other perks Disney has offered in the past, the financial case for staying on-site has never been there. The values and moderates are essentially motels and the deluxes charge Four Seasons+ prices for hotels that are basic Hilton quality at best.

That said, that bubble experience is definitely worth it to many and I totally understand why. I choose to stay on-site as well, because it’s part of the Disney experience for me, but I don’t pretend that I couldn’t have almost as good of an experience (and probably a nicer hotel) visiting the parks and save a ton of money if I stayed off-site. On the other hand, I only go to Disney once every few years, so I want the trips to be more special when I do go. If I went once a year or more, I probably wouldn’t stay on-site or at least stay at the Swan/Dolphin more.
 
I truly don’t understand the difficulty to realize people will stay at a hotel simply because they like it. Wilderness lodge is my favorite hotel I’ve ever stayed at and I will return no matter the “perks” of doing so.
That has been my whole point on this thread. I love the BC/YC resort and Epcot/Boardwalk area. It my favorite area and place to stay. I’m with ya!!
 
I looked yesterday and rooms at RP and the other high-end Universal hotels were ~$300 per night. My Beach Club room for the same time period is nearly 2x that. And the Universal stay comes with Express Unlimited. Unless I'm missing something, it's way cheaper.
This is missing two very important things: discounts and ticket cost.

Discounts: In all the times we have been to Disney World, there was never once a time when there was not a discount available at most (if not all) Disney hotels--the most we have ever paid for Beach Club was a little over $400 a night. If you're paying the rack rates of $600+ a night, you're doing it wrong. In contrast, we've priced out Universal a few times and while they sometimes have discounts, it typically requires a longer stay and but with only two parks compared to four at WDW, a longer trip to Universal doesn't really make sense to us. For the two-night stay in the below example, the best available discount was a whopping $10 off, total.

Park tickets: Especially if you go for shorter trips, these are also considerably cheaper at WDW. If you are going for a longer trip, Tickets may be cheaper at Universal with available discounts again, but again, often for longer stays.

Example: we were considering weekend getaway, Friday-Sunday, family of 5. We like deluxe hotels so are comparing Premier at Universal to Deluxe at WDW. Total price for 2 adults, 3 kids, a standard room, 2-nights, 2 day 1 park per day tickets, for the lowest cost Premier and Deluxe options respectively were:

Royal Pacific: $2,551
Yacht Club: $2,380

We also have to pay the cost of airport transportation at Universal, which is $200 round trip at Universal if we use their shuttle (we can't use Uber given we need 3 carseats, and a rental with 3 carseats is more than the shuttle cost). Recognize Disney is doing away with the free shuttle next year which may make Universal a better value for us, but for this year that increases the price difference to close to $400 more at universal for the same trip. And we also have to have one of the kids sleep in a rollaway bed at Universal, which is less than ideal and makes a small room even more cramped. Not to mention that most of the rides at Universal have height limits that mean I can't go on them with my kids.

So bottom line, you can't make a blanket statement that Disney is always more expensive than Universal for a comparable stay. Yes, it may be that Disney is more expensive based on the way YOU prefer to do your vacations, but that doesn't apply to me or others who have different vacation styles and needs.

This reminds me of the debate over the dining plan. I have to roll my eyes at the people who say it is "impossible" to save money on the dining plan unless you order food you don't want. That's never been the case for us, and we always came out significantly ahead on the plan eating exactly where we wanted to, ordering exactly what we wanted to. For resorts, like with the dining plan, you really have to do the math and can't just assume one will be more expensive than the other.
 
So bottom line, you can't make a blanket statement that Disney is always more expensive than Universal for a comparable stay. Yes, it may be that Disney is more expensive based on the way YOU prefer to do your vacations, but that doesn't apply to me or others who have different vacation styles and needs.

This reminds me of the debate over the dining plan. I have to roll my eyes at the people who say it is "impossible" to save money on the dining plan unless you order food you don't want. That's never been the case for us, and we always came out significantly ahead on the plan eating exactly where we wanted to, ordering exactly what we wanted to. For resorts, like with the dining plan, you really have to do the math and can't just assume one will be more expensive than the other.

I definitely did not even nearly, "make a blanket statement that Disney is always more expensive than Universal for a comparable stay." All I said is that I looked up the same dates at Royal Pacific for my upcoming October stay at Beach Club and that the RP was much cheaper. I said nothing about park tickets or transportation or anything else.

Secondly, the Dining Plan is another funny thing that will be debated for eternity. I have no qualms with anyone who does the DDP. I totally get it. Go and eat. Don't worry about what you're spending every time you have a snack. It's another 'Disney Bubble' thing that allows you to enjoy yourself without constantly having it shoved in your face how much you're spending on overpriced food. For my family it's just not worth it because we just don't eat big meals during the day.

I think the DDP is great for convenience and mindset, however, I truly don't believe it can be a money-saver. I'm no mathmetician, but I've read plenty of extremely in-depth, detailed analysis by some true math nerds who have determined that it's nearly impossible to make it a value unless you're going only to the most expensive restaurants whenever possible and only ordering the most expensive items on the menu. Maybe that has changed, but that was always the case no matter how you crunched the numbers. But that's a whole other debate for surely hundreds of other threads here.
 
I mean, you've been there a few times in the past few months, right?

I think everyone on this board has had at least a glass of the koolaid.
Oh of course, no snark intended. But I’m far from any sort of apologist and do understand that a bad trip can happen and turn someone off to future trips.
 
In all the times we have been to Disney World, there was never once a time when there was not a discount available at most (if not all) Disney hotels--the most we have ever paid for Beach Club was a little over $400 a night. If you're paying the rack rates of $600+ a night, you're doing it wrong. In contrast, we've priced out Universal a few times and while they sometimes have discounts, it typically requires a longer stay and but with only two parks compared to four at WDW, a longer trip to Universal doesn't really make sense to us. For the two-night stay in the below example, the best available discount was a whopping $10 off, total.
Deals are a bit of a psychological thing though.
We feel great when we get a 35-45% discount off our standard room at the Poly and still pay $400+ but feel a bit grumpy when we pay under $400 for a deluxe at Universal with no discount.
 
I truly don’t understand the difficulty to realize people will stay at a hotel simply because they like it. Wilderness lodge is my favorite hotel I’ve ever stayed at and I will return no matter the “perks” of doing so.

AMEN! Not everyone selects where they stay (or vacation for that matter) just for the "perks". I've stayed almost exclusively on property (the one trip I didn't I was staying with my CM sister) and can count on one hand the number of times I've done a morning EMH without using all those fingers. Evening EMH? Probably only twice because it seemed to always fall at Studios when I was there, and just, no to those for me.

Same as people not realizing that not everyone is on the same budget as them and different people put emphasis on different ways to spend money.
 












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