Why no SSR love?

[Beca]

Okay, here's some polls on the subject. Unfortunately (because BCV is always brought into these conversations), I could not find the one concerning BCV...if anyone can locate it, PLEASE post it.

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=767106

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=767103

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=767099

http://www.disboards.com/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=6371

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=957720&highlight=POLL

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=921778&highlight=POLL

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=765834&highlight=POLL

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=801950&highlight=POLL

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=798298&highlight=POLL

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=754293&highlight=POLL

I don't know how accuarate these polls are (they are just us disers), but since this thread has been re-hashed SOOO many times, and even in this current "re-incarnation" of it, people are calling others out for "proof" or "statistics"....here goes what has been polled in the past.

And, to ease the minds of those that say I may be biased...I have NOT read all the polls/posts, and the one regarding my home resort is missing...I have made a plea for others who find it to post it...I don't know what it says, but would love to read it. I think this is the closest we may get to "facts" on this board. Enjoy!!!



Beca

 

[tomandrobin]

actually it should say feel, thinking involves reasoning

I read many of these response that state "in my opion", they and you are talking with your heart not your head. If not you would not say that its your opinion.

Isn't it ironic that the OP who was pi$$ing and moaning that people, were INSULTING OWNERS is now doing that himself.
I did not call any one names, just stating facts and correcting wrong assumptions and guesses on how we all vacation.

Here is HIS original comment

" I am surprised of the amount of disaproval, disrespect and dislike people have of the Saratoga Springs Resort and those who buy into that resort. "
You have an obvious dislike of SSR. You don't ever express dislike for the other DVC resort owners. Currently OKW has the most memberships, at least double the next size resort. But those owners are rarely mentioned as BCV/BWV users.

I have re-read this thread, and the ONLY insulting of people has been done by him. Irionic..........
And my insults were.............?

tomandrobin why don't you, go find the post you were whinning about when you made your ORIGINAL comment in this thread. Find those post, and copy them into this thread. I am curious what set you off.......
There was not one particular post that caught my attention. I spent a week reading past posts before I posted for the first time. I had noticed a higher level of dislike of the SSR compared to any of the other resorts. Ironically, most of the negativity seemed to come from BWV/BCV owners. And some of the comments, not all, but some are just downright insult to those SSR owners.

It seems to me you think that DVC has cheapened your purchase. I can see lots of arguments both ways on the issue. As an owner at a DVC resort you have the 11 month window to book. If you were able to regularly book at 2 months out, in peak season, at your home resort, then consider yourself fortunate to have had that chance. Times for you seem to be changing. Part of that maybe SSR, but as far as I know, it still has a long way to go before its sold out. So it seems to me that SSR is not the only reason for BCV/BWV filling up. I think SSR becomes to easy of a target to complain about. AS a timeshare, SSR has some pretty nice amenities and will get better with another dining option.

 

[Beca]

Okay, so it's because you feel it will be less desirable to SSR Members, who will then try to book other places at 7 months.

My point is that size really has nothing to do with it. If DVC built five small resorts, and you thought they would be less desirable, you would have the same concerns... Right?

I can only speak for me....but, I wouldn't. In those 5 small resorts, I would have choice. Would I like them as much as I like my home resort, probably not. But, in return for not getting my home resort, I would get a variety of resorts to choose from. That is a big difference in my mind. For me, BCV will always be my first choice of resorts...but, I do love VWL and BWV as well. I am the one who had to waitlist (a month ago) at my home resort for one night in early Dec. Although, I prefer it to come thru...I am also thinking it might be cool to stay at VWL one night (although I do not really expect that will happen). But, I do not like the thought that, I feel I will be "fighting" to get any resort but SSR on short notice. Why should a last minute reservation mean that you will probably only get one resort all the time? Maybe I am wrong, but if there were 9 equal-sized resorts with different themes and locations, there would be something for everyone....our last minute choices would be more varied.

MG...you keep bringing this point up...it seems like it bothers you a lot. If you don't mind sharing....why?

TIA,



Beca

 

[boatboatboat]

tomandrobin your opinions don't matter.

show me your stats......

I'll wait.

 

[tomandrobin]

Is the problem with SSR truly the size, or the fact that you don't like it?


The concern for me, is that Disney has built a LARGE resort that is in a less desirable location then the previous resorts. This will over the course of time put a strain on the resorts that are in PRIME locations.
Again, this is your opinion. There are many members who will enjoy the walk over to Downtown Disney.

If Disney built another resort in a PRIME area, then the current owners in PRIME areas, wouldn't feel as much concern.
Any location inside of Disney is prime. Just ask someone who is staying at Orange Lake or Vistana Resorts. Not that those are bad places, just not Disney.

But then again, if Disney built a brand new resort and installed a monorail from that resort to all parks, and built a water park/pool like BCV, and the new resort was a ten min walk to epcot or MK, then i am sure i would be looking to use my BWV points to book a stay there.

Of course you wouldn't, but at one time or another we all might want to give the new resort a try.

 

[cobbler]

Thanks for sharing Beca. I didn't know they existed because I didn't start coming here until 10/05 when I bought.

I did notice that the polls are now a year old and there are many more members out there now. It would be interesting to re-do these polls.

The one I did find interesting was the 4th link you have listed, about SSR owners and where they want to stay. It said ALL resorts mostly, none specific. But I do wonder if that is because they were new to DVC and of course you want to try them all. It would be interesting to see if the same people that voted in that poll would feel the same way now if they had a few other DVC stays under their belt.

I noticed also that those that were polled about their home resort (with the exception of SSR as I commented on above) mostly wanted to stay at their home. I also wonder if that is because they have DVC stays under their belt, knew their niche and knew they liked their home resort. I am sure that is 90% of what it is.

I can see how owners feel the way they feel because that poll captured that moment in time a year ago when a lot of people were doing this. I am sure this has stuck in their mind. I don't see the big deal though, honestly because everyone gets that 4 month priority. Those seeking advice have been told that DVC is for planners so this shouldn't be an issue. Also this tactic of 11/7 month was incepted before SSR being built so it's not like that rule has changed to open up the flood gates even more. The poll 3rd from the bottom showed that most people do book in their 4 month window.

The last poll shows that about half of us (and us is not exclusive to SSR owners, it just said non-BCV owners) try for BC while the other half doesn't.

So I think there isn't as much to worry about as it may seem on the surface.

I wonder if peoples perceptions would change if we started a new poll for SSR owners and see what we think NOW at this moment in time about staying home or elsewhere.

 

[Beca]

boatboatboat and tomandrobin....PLEASE stop fighting. You both want stats....please look at the top 4 polls. Then, if you want "continue" this conversation....feel free. Dianeschlicht did the closest to a "scientific" poll I have seen on the dis. Instead of arguing...look at the proof you have been asking for.



Beca

 

[Maistre Gracey]

MG...you keep bringing this point up...it seems like it bothers you a lot. If you don't mind sharing....why?

Hi, Beca. No, it doesn't bother me at all. I'm just trying to understand other Member's views on the whole size thing.
I always book VB & VWL 11 months out (our two favorites), so it really doesn't affect me at all.

MG

 

[tomandrobin]

tomandrobin your opinions don't matter.

show me your stats......

I'll wait.

What do you want to know?

 

[boatboatboat]

You both want stats.

I don't want stats. I was being sarcastic. it was implied that peoples thoughts and opinions do not matter. i found that condescending and insulting. Rather ironic coming from a poster who created a thread asking why people where being insulting......

 

[Daitcher]

I knew you'd come after me, Dave! No, seriously, I do think there are some people who lay on the "Resort Pride" thing a bit thick. It's one thing to constructively criticize a place, but some people just seem to go out of their way to remind others how lucky they themselves are to own at BCV or WLV or wherever. I think that's the sort of thing the OP is referring to. When you've just spent X-thousands of dollars on a place, you don't necessarily want to hear others say things like "getting stuck staying at SSR."

Should we care what others think? Of course not. Does it take a little of the fun out of things? Unfortunately, yes.

This makes sense to me. It does "hurt" a little when people bash a resort you just bought in at. Thanks for the thoughts.

DAVE

 

[Beca]

Thanks for sharing Beca. I didn't know they existed because I didn't start coming here until 10/05 when I bought.

I did notice that the polls are now a year old and there are many more members out there now. It would be interesting to re-do these polls.

The one I did find interesting was the 4th link you have listed, about SSR owners and where they want to stay. It said ALL resorts mostly, none specific. But I do wonder if that is because they were new to DVC and of course you want to try them all. It would be interesting to see if the same people that voted in that poll would feel the same way now if they had a few other DVC stays under their belt.

I noticed also that those that were polled about their home resort (with the exception of SSR as I commented on above) mostly wanted to stay at their home. I also wonder if that is because they have DVC stays under their belt, knew their niche and knew they liked their home resort. I am sure that is 90% of what it is.

I can see how owners feel the way they feel because that poll captured that moment in time a year ago when a lot of people were doing this. I am sure this has stuck in their mind. I don't see the big deal though, honestly because everyone gets that 4 month priority. Those seeking advice have been told that DVC is for planners so this shouldn't be an issue. Also this tactic of 11/7 month was incepted before SSR being built so it's not like that rule has changed to open up the flood gates even more. The poll 3rd from the bottom showed that most people do book in their 4 month window.

The last poll shows that about half of us (and us is not exclusive to SSR owners, it just said non-BCV owners) try for BC while the other half doesn't.

So I think there isn't as much to worry about as it may seem on the surface.

I wonder if peoples perceptions would change if we started a new poll for SSR owners and see what we think NOW at this moment in time about staying home or elsewhere.

Good points, Cobbler. I do think some "settling down" of where SSR owners want to stay is definitely going to occur; however, I don't know if a poll today would reflect that. Those owners that purchased a year ago, may have only had one trip to WDW, so they are still wanting to "try" other resorts, and in that year, a whole bunch of new SSR owners have been added to the system, so they are wanting to "try" other resorts as well. I think the "settling down" (which is certainly inevitable) will not happen for maybe as far out as 4-5 years (if the majority of the people only go to WDW once a year...since most people (besides us crazy disers) own 150 pts).

It would be interesting to see what polls would say now. Maybe you are right. Does anyone know how to start a poll? I cannot ever figure that out?



Beca

 

[Beca]

Hi, Beca. No, it doesn't bother me at all. I'm just trying to understand other Member's views on the whole size thing.
I always book VB & VWL 11 months out (our two favorites), so it really doesn't affect me at all.

MG

MG...thanks! For some reason, I thought this was "pushing your buttons", and I couldn't figure out why. I feel better....I didn't mean to upset you, or anyone else.



Beca

 

[Beca]

You both want stats.

I don't want stats. I was being sarcastic. it was implied that peoples thoughts and opinions do not matter. i found that condescending and insulting. Rather ironic coming from a poster who created a thread asking why people where being insulting......

Umm...okay.



Beca

 

[Daitcher]

Well I think some of the criticisms of SSR are strickly based on opinion and not on facts.

I truly do not understand the Artist's Pallette critism that the selections are limited. Limited to what and compared to what? They offer as many or more food selections than most fast food areas at other DVC resorts. Just because what they offer does not appeal to everyone does not make it limited. Many do like what the offer, myself included. It was one of the main reasons we like staying there.

I can see that the theme might not appeal to someone from that area but it does to others that don't live in upstate New York. I find the exterior of the buildings to be the most pleasing of all DVC resorts.

I have no desire to always be at a resort right next to a theme park when trasportation to those parks is right outside my door.

SSR is not an inferior product, it just does not appeal to some. Which is fine. But I do agree that at times it seems some must put something down simply because it does not appeal to them.

BW Villas does not appeal to me. It's a great resort, has lots to offer which I can appreciate, its just not what I want in a resort. We have stayed at all the DVC resorts several times.

No where is greater than VWL at the holidays. Being at the Beach Club villas in the Fall for Food and Wine is great too. Old Key West is the best when we have a large family group gathering.

For an extended vacation with our immediate group of 3 or 4, SSR fits us best at this time.

Something I do think is unfair in the critism of SSR is that everyone needs to understand it is not a finished resort. OKW was the same way but very few remember that or where there for the process. VWL, BCW and BWV opened fully completed and VWL and BCV had the luxury of opening attached to a very popular deluxe resort.

To the new owners, take it all with a grain of salt. As long as your are satisfied, nothing else matters.

Sammie, this is really a great post. I'll weigh in only about the food situation because I mentioned earlier that AP has limited food choices. AP is extremely limited when you factor in there is no poolside food. It serves as the only food choice until the sit down restaurant is added. It was supposed to be the only option at this resort until member complaints started rolling in. It is limited in choices. The only DVC resorts with such a limited choice are HH and BWV. I strongly feel that the DVC options at new resorts should equal or exceed those of previous resorts. SSR, to me, takes a step back with the exception of the spa. DVC is not a cheap program to buy into and dues are on the high side for comparative timeshares. We all should demand more. Is this opinion, sure, but I'm not the only one who holds this opinion. I also do not feel that stating an honest opinion is resort bashing. Do we really want a board with nothing but glowing reviews and smiling faces? Thanks for your great post.


DAVE

 

[Glorydaz]

I'm sitting here fluctuating between outrage and outright laughter.....

BBB, how dare you insinuate that SSR is in an undesirable location! everyone does NOT need MK or Epcot in their backyard....some of us actually love what DTD has to offer and for your information, my presentation ( and purchase) was based on SSR and what IT had to offer...not your beloved BWV ( so sorry, not looking to insult anyone)...

it is very easy to sit back and get caught up in this sometime "heated" debate but some of you are worse than my 8 year old cubscouts! seriously!!

I am a PROUD SSR owner and if I so desire to try the other ON-SITE properties at 7 months, well then, that's my option, isn't it?! just like everyone else's... and I loved SSR because one of the selling points was I could leave it to my children - those extra 12 years will benefit them and that's a top priority in my book...

now I'm going back to work ...so I can pay for my share of the "magic"

 

[boatboatboat]

I wouldn't trust the results of a new poll.

The SSR folks are liars.

They will say they are going to stay at SSR, but they will be staying at BCV.

The last time I stayed at BCV there were 3 familes with SSR decals on their lugage. They made noise all night and belched at breakfast.......

 

[tomandrobin]

boatboatboat and tomandrobin....PLEASE stop fighting. You both want stats....please look at the top 4 polls. Then, if you want "continue" this conversation....feel free. Dianeschlicht did the closest to a "scientific" poll I have seen on the dis. Instead of arguing...look at the proof you have been asking for.



Beca

I started the thread becuase of my concern of the dislike and disrespect towards SSR owners that I read. It seems that the thread quickly brought out that attitude in some. I don't even own in DVC...yet. I was researching my purchase choices and found this site. (Which I do like)

People like B3 need to realize that with planning and using your home resort window, you will probably get what you want. If something is booked full at 10 months, that has nothing to do with SSR or any other resort. It doesn't matter if Disney adds one more or ten more resorts proper planning usually works. I am sure no one was told that there would be no more resorts added to Disney when they bought. That there would be no more additional members to share all of the DVC resorts.

B3 feeling that he lost something because he may not be able book at his home resort at 2 months out, should remember that OKW resort members originally had resort passes included with thier membership that went away as DVC grew.

 

[cobbler]

I wouldn't trust the results of a new poll.

The SSR folks are liars.

They will say they are going to stay at SSR, but they will be staying at BCV.

The last time I stayed at BCV there were 3 familes with SSR decals on their lugage. They made noise all night and belched at breakfast.......

Bummer, you caught me.

BTW - I fart too - loudly!

 

[beachblanket]

Its not BCV/BWV agaist the rest of DVC.

Not entirely - but I'm willing bet if one could ever get access to DVC ressie records and do the analysis, you'd see the number of non-owners seeking villas at BWV and BCV in a given year is much, much higher than at any of the other DVC resorts.

We're exhibit A of this - BWV is our home resort, and we learned long ago that to insure we get exactly what we want, we have to book day by day 11 months out. We've also stayed at HH in the summer and are staying at VB this summer. In both cases, I called up 7 months to the day and had no problem booking our first choice of villa category.