Why is America out of work?

[Ceila]

Hellow everyone,the troll is back.Instead of me firing anything back at all the vey nice posters here,I wanna thank you and all your criticism on my computer grammar.I wear thicker skin to let all the comments get to me.

I'm done with this thread due to the lack of understanding of my post.

Have A nice day!

I realize you don't understand the difference between your/you're or to/too, or how to spell many words, but it really fascinates me that you capitalize A. Why do you do that? Many people with poor grammar and spelling skills make the mistakes listed above, but I've never see the A thing before. Very odd.

 

[sunnyday123]

That isn't true. Americans would take those jobs, but not at the sub-minimum-wage, no benefits, no workplace protections conditions that employers can get away with when hiring illegal immigrants. I don't fault the immigrants for it - they're doing the best they can for themselves, same as the rest of us - but I find it absolutely incomprehensible that so many people buy into the "Americans don't want those jobs" line of BS that cheapskate employers use to justify their unethical and illegal labor practices.

But this is true, for those jobs. No one is going to get above minimum wage, a 401k, and health benefits for picking mushrooms all day. And that isn't a job that would extend those kinds of things.

Also, there is a racetrack close to my home. There is only immigrants working there, cleaning out stalls, exercising and taking care of the horses.

No benefits, but they do get a $250 incentive if their horse wins a race. And they make decent money-the last article in the paper I saw about it indicated they make more than I do a week.

The article also said they couldn't find anyone who was a citizen to take the job, and that's why they hired immigrants.

 

[CaliforniaDreamin]

Oh, I KNOW that! I meant, I missed the OP's mistake with that word! Once you pointed it out, I tried to figure out how being educated in making artwork consisting of pieces of 'stuff' - paper, leaves, pictures, material, etc. - related to getting a job doing roadwork! Sorry for the confusion! I wasn't being sarcastic, and I DIDN'T mean to offend you!

OH, gosh. You didn't offend me! I was afraid I was offending you! When I wrote about "collage", I wasn't even thinking about anything but the original post. Thanks for letting me know you understood the point I wanted to make

 

[S. C.]

I am not trying to be mean, I swear it, but if you need writing skills, grammar and just a basic knowledge of the english language to get a job, you best sit this one out.

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[lacrosse_lady72]

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OK, well come on... you must know the "peopel" was just a typo.

 

[disykat]

But I think in a place when the mode of communication is through writing, if you're not at least appearing to make the effort to have decent structure, spelling, punctuation and grammar, you're only setting yourself up to be ridiculed.

I agree - especially when you are discussing the fact that you can't get a job. Seriously, make sure that you have someone proofread your resume, applications, and cover letters so you are sure you are putting your best foot forward. There's nothing wrong with acknowledging weaknesses (hopefully going for jobs that don't require those skills) and getting the appropriate help to compensate during the job hunting process. Jobs are hard to find right now for everyone. (I am currently underemployed as well and I know how hard it is!) Make sure you aren't handicapping yourself further.

 

[1001 Ghosts]

This not politcal and not racist at all mods,so please listen.

Why is it that all the road work done lately is from peeps that don't even speak english.I have A collage education,and these companys will not even give me A interview for employment!!!

I know I will be giving points and not be able to post if the mods see it the wrong way.I just want too say,put American's to work first!!!!!

Hellow everyone,the troll is back.Instead of me firing anything back at all the very nice posters here,I wanna thank you and all your criticism on my computer grammar.I wear thicker skin to let all the comments get to me.

I'm done with this thread due to the lack of understanding of my post.

Have A nice day!

In my experience, people who YAGE still continue to read.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I understood your post perfectly. As someone who does a great deal of screening and hiring, your application would have gone directly into the trash without you ever having the opportunity to step into my office. The fact that you don't understand why I would never interview you based on how you chose to present yourself only serves to reinforce my decision.

Nothing personal, just business.

 

[ols386]

I just wanted to say that I've worked with some really intelligent people in the business world -- who couldn't spell or use the correct grammar, if their life depended on it. And these are people who have bachelor's, master's, and sometimes PhD degrees. Just because someone finishes college doesn't ALWAYS mean they can spell worth a darn, because I've seen it with my own eyes. Sometimes I've wondered how they made it through college not being able to spell or construct a sentence.

My ex husband was like this. Graduated college with honors, and an extremely smart guy in many different ways -- but not when it came to spelling or grammar.

That is all.

 

[Planogirl]

I just wanted to say that I've worked with some really intelligent people in the business world -- who couldn't spell or use the correct grammar, if their life depended on it. And these are people who have bachelor's, master's, and sometimes PhD degrees. Just because someone finishes college doesn't ALWAYS mean they can spell worth a darn, because I've seen it with my own eyes. Sometimes I've wondered how they made it through college not being able to spell or construct a sentence.

My ex husband was like this. Graduated college with honors, and an extremely smart guy in many different ways -- but not when it came to spelling or grammar.

That is all.

There are engineers like this. I just wonder what the OP majored in.

 

[disykat]

I just wanted to say that I've worked with some really intelligent people in the business world -- who couldn't spell or use the correct grammar, if their life depended on it. And these are people who have bachelor's, master's, and sometimes PhD degrees. Just because someone finishes college doesn't ALWAYS mean they can spell worth a darn, because I've seen it with my own eyes. Sometimes I've wondered how they made it through college not being able to spell or construct a sentence.

My ex husband was like this. Graduated college with honors, and an extremely smart guy in many different ways -- but not when it came to spelling or grammar.

That is all.

Sure, but successful people recognize it and compensate for it. Being defensive and saying it doesn't matter wouldn't have gotten them a job.

 

[Colleen27]

But this is true, for those jobs. No one is going to get above minimum wage, a 401k, and health benefits for picking mushrooms all day. And that isn't a job that would extend those kinds of things.

Also, there is a racetrack close to my home. There is only immigrants working there, cleaning out stalls, exercising and taking care of the horses.

No benefits, but they do get a $250 incentive if their horse wins a race. And they make decent money-the last article in the paper I saw about it indicated they make more than I do a week.

The article also said they couldn't find anyone who was a citizen to take the job, and that's why they hired immigrants.

Well, of course they're going to say that. No one is going to state outright that they're hiring illegals so they can pay less than minimum wage or avoid paying into workman's comp.

When I say benefits, I'm not talking about health insurance and 401ks. I'm talking about the basic benefits of legal employment in the United States that are wholly or partially paid for by employers - social security, medicare, unemployment, workmans' comp, etc.

The non-wage costs of legal labor are more of a factor than the actual wage differential, because while Americans will accept low wages, they expect that if they're hurt on the job they can apply for workmans' comp, if they're laid off they can get unemployment until they find another job, and that the time they work will be counted by the social security system to qualify them for those benefits at retirement or in case of disability. And even if they didn't, employers that wish to circumvent labor laws wouldn't hire Americans that could decide to bring a complaint against them; illegals are safer, because the fear of deportation keeps them from involving authorities in any disputes or abuses that may arise.

 

[ols386]

Sure, but successful people recognize it and compensate for it. Being defensive and saying it doesn't matter wouldn't have gotten them a job.

How do they compensate for it?

 

[disykat]

How do they compensate for it?

By knowing their limitations and having other people help them! I certainly hope OP does this while job hunting. OP's wearing "thicker skin to let all the comments get to me" not only doesn't make sense, it's not working!

It is a conundrum, not being able to get a job you are qualified for and not even being able to get an interview for others because you are considered over-qualified. I get that. I've experienced it myself. However, sometimes strangers can see what you can't. In this case, it seemed too glaring to ignore for many of us.

At the very least, I hope OP has taken this thread to heart and will ask a friend to proof read job applications.

 

[freepixie]

The "they're just doing jobs Americans won't do" folks HATE it when you bring up true stories like this. It blows their argument out of the water.

I simply cannot believe how many Americans have bought into that line of horse manure. They fail to realize that by allowing uncontrolled illegal immigration all these years, we have effectively created an enormous group of Americans who (since they are not qualified for higher paying jobs for a variety of reasons) cannot compete with illegals for the lower paying jobs.....and that leaves them depending on the government (or turning to crime) for money. For years and years and years, all those jobs were in fact held by Americans. It is a recent development that they are no longer getting those jobs. There is one reason only. And it's not because they won't do them. Sure, a few here and there won't work, but there are plenty of others who would happily take the jobs.

Those Americans were on the bottom rungs of the employment ladder in the US and illegal immigration has yanked those rungs right out of their grasp. If you listen to who makes the "Americans won't do those jobs" statements, most often you will find someone who is paying an illegal alien's salary and is unwilling to pay a few bucks more to an American. They are looking out for their bank account and insulting the work ethic of others to do so.

Where is any information to back up your statements above?? How do you know this is always how it is handled. I have been quiet so far in this thread but your statements above made my blood boil. How do you know that the people working in the fields are immigrants? How do you know its a "recent development"? How do you know that they are making less than minimum wage? How do you know the farmers are unwilling to pay them more????

I work in a program that deals with the migrant population from Mexico, and many of these families are actually making more money than I am at the center. How do I know? I KNOW THE PEOPLE AND THE FARMERS AND THE FAMILIES!!!! They make fair wages, and the farmer hire them for their work ethics - they never call off sick and are willing to work in all weather conditions. They are willing to work overtime as the weather allows. This "recent development" you talk of is also bull because the center I work at has been working with these families since the early 70's - the migrant workers have been coming to work in our country since that time, and even before. And they must be legal citizens to recieve aid from our center - they must provide their papers/green card, etc. So before making judgement calls, please check your information.

I don't know what can solve the lack of jobs for the degreed American population, and I know we are in a bad state of economy at this time. I agree there needs to be more jobs. However, this whole thread is beginning to sound awfully racist and judgemental against Hispanic people in general and its really making me very angry.

I'm going to unsubscribe after this, I don't need to read any more of this crap, started by an OP who just wants to stir the pot.

 

[declansdad]

Now THAT is racism.

Not even close to racism.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Hellow everyone,the troll is back.Instead of me firing anything back at all the very nice posters here,I wanna thank you and all your criticism on my computer grammar.I wear thicker skin to let all the comments get to me.

I'm done with this thread due to the lack of understanding of my post.

Have A nice day!

It's too bad the original poster left, because we DID 'get' his complaint. It just took a while to translate the difficult writing style into something easy to comprehend.

We've - well, some of you have - provided possible reasons why he's not getting the jobs; reasons that have nothing to do with his typing/usage/grammar abilities. Even the writing criticism is meant to be beneficial, but he'd apparently prefer to take his toys and go home, rather than accept the potential learning experiences we - well, you all - have been offering.

I do want to point out what in his posts bothers me: it's him first claiming to 'type in text' even though he's apparently not texting, and now claiming it's computer grammar. Neither claim is correct. Using a computer is NO excuse for poor spelling, capitalization, grammar, or usage. A middle-aged adult should certainly not be so accustomted to texting that this is how he types in his everyday life - especially when using a full-size computer keyboard.

But whatever the OP's reason for poor language usage, one reason he's probably NOT getting jobs is that his cover letters, resumes, and thank you notes are NOT impressing prospective employers.

Another reason he's not getting job offers - even those he thinks others get only because they're not American - is that he seems to be applying for jobs for which he's either overqualified or just plain not qualified.

 

[kaytieeldr]

How do they compensate for it?

They get help. They ask for it. I have a friend writing a book. I'll be proofreading for grammar/spelling/punctuation, as well as, I think, continuity.

 

[Tiana]

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[DVCJones]

I noticed all that, but was ignoring it; I just assumed the writing style was due to the informality of Internet forums, and NOT representative of how the OP normally presents himself or herself.

I was thinking the same thing.

 

[ols386]

They get help. They ask for it. I have a friend writing a book. I'll be proofreading for grammar/spelling/punctuation, as well as, I think, continuity.

Well, yeah, I understand that. The point I was trying to make earlier, is that not everyone who graduates from college is necessarily good at spelling and grammar.