Why does Disney always kill the mother?

diznygirl said:
What really bothers me is the amount of people who are upset at "Disney" for killing off the moms, when it wasn't "Disney" stories that these movies were based on.

I'm not upset, but it's just a bit odd that usually Disney had the dads present, but not the moms. They do seem to have issues with step moms too, but not step dads.
 
va32h said:
It creates the essential drama/conflict that moves the story.

Yes, but with all of the Disney brilliance, why can't they choose a different conflict? I'm not MAD at Disney . . . I'm just curious why it seems to be such a theme . .

And regarding the theory opined that at the time these stories were written death in childbirth was common . .. .well death was common period. So why don't we see dead Dads or baby brothers or sisters . . . or pets or why use death at all . . . surely there are other forms of conflict.

Loved Swiss Family Robinson . . . lots of conflict and 2 loving parents.
 
Happens on tv shows too...Full House & Hannah Montana.

On a similar note. Look at most of the Mary Kate & Ashley tv shows and movies. Almost everyone they either have no parents or only one.
 
DisneyGirl4188 said:
Not animated, but Pirates, neither Will nor Elizabeth had moms.
Will actually told Jack that his mom died. Will was really orphaned when his father left to go with jack.
 

firkat said:
And regarding the theory opined that at the time these stories were written death in childbirth was common . .. .well death was common period. So why don't we see dead Dads or baby brothers or sisters . . . or pets or why use death at all . . . surely there are other forms of conflict.

Well, for starters because you didn't write the stories. The Brothers Grimm, Hans Christian Anderson, and several other really old dudes did. All I'm saying is, in regards to the "fairytales" (which would include Snow White, Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty, The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, etc.) they just followed the story already written.
 
Disney protagonists must go through total adversity to triumph. This is why death is included in every Disney cartoon. In order for good to triumph, evil most throw everything it can at the hero.

DW and I have often talked about this. She points out that Mulan is the only Disney cartoon character with two parents. This is sort of true. (I can argue Hercules, but the depiction of Zeus and Hera as a loving couple was too much for DW and myself.)

The villains tended to be women because they were based on the old European idea of evil witches.

Things changed in the more modern cartoons. After all, it's Simba's father who is killed by the male villain, Scar. And, as Entertainment Weekly once pointed out, Frollo is the most evil of the Disney villains, because he doesn't even have a comic relief sidekick.
 
You want the answer from a literature teacher?

Disney stories tend to be based upon older stories: folktales, fairy tales, classic novels, etc. Like Shakespeare, Disney tends to pick up a already-classic story, and re-tell it with a new spark, making it all the more memorable; eventually people sort of forget that they didn't create the story at all. These stories rely heavily upon archetypal themes and characters (consistant patterns found across time and across cultures). Archetypal themes include the coming-of-age-story (think Treasure Island), the poor-but-honest youth who "makes good" (think Cinderella), and the damsel in distress (think Sleeping Beauty). Character archetypes include the mad scientist (think Belle's father), the evil stepmother (think Snow White), the monster with a heart of gold (think Shrek -- oops, was he Disney? Well, the point is still the same.) and the earth mother (think Grandmother Willow from Pochahontas).

Disney kept the basic pattern of these old stories -- they kept the archetypes -- thus, we rarely see a loving, capable mother in a Disney story. Those moms who are alive (Mulan's mother) are incapable of providing for their children /protecting them from the world around them. This forces the child /protagonist to face the conflict in his life, rather than being protected at home. Think about it: if Cinderella'd had a loving mother, she would've never gone through years of torment, and she'd never have met the prince.
 
Sparx said:
Will actually told Jack that his mom died. Will was really orphaned when his father left to go with jack.

Right, he still didn't have a mom.
 
Lilo and Stitch - they both had no mom OR dad (although Stitch had a creator)
 
Wow! Thanks for that analysis . .

So aren't there archetypes that don't include killing off the mom or cruelly separating her child from her? Can't the poor-but-honest lad make good without a dead mother?
 
ZIPBAGS said:
Happens on tv shows too...Full House & Hannah Montana.

On a similar note. Look at most of the Mary Kate & Ashley tv shows and movies. Almost everyone they either have no parents or only one.


Most TV shows have both a mom and a dad. (it's a kind of rare plot to not have either unless it's the focus of the show).
 
firkat said:
So aren't there archetypes that don't include killing off the mom or cruelly separating her child from her? Can't the poor-but-honest lad make good without a dead mother?

I was going to suggest the Horatio Alger stories, but, come to think of it, they were all orphans.
 
kennancat said:
Exactly. Plus, with birth control and better medical care, I think we've forgotten how dangerous childbirth used to be. My understanding is that at the time most of these fairy tales were written, it was very common to have lost your mother to death because of the risk of giving birth plus the fact that women had more children.
That's what the experts say. So many women died in childbirth and kids ended up with step-mothers who didn't treat them well, had only married the father for support. That's why they used it in the Fairy Tales.

That's what I saw on a TV special about 1000 years ago, anyway. :)
 
Yes, but with all of the Disney brilliance, why can't they choose a different conflict? I'm not MAD at Disney . . . I'm just curious why it seems to be such a theme . .

Because the loss or potential loss of a parent has more emotional resonance with a child than any other kind of loss.

It also allows for more exciting things to happen in the story. The presence of parents or responsible adults would preclude most of the fun/dangerous stuff that happens in children's literature.

What would Harry Potter be like, for example, if the kids had to go back home for supper and couldn't roam all over the castle at night?
 
My only answer comes from Billy Joel...."Only the good die young!"
 
Yes, but the writers could just leave the parents out of the story without having to actually KILL them off . . . Ya know.

Think Monsters, Inc.
 
They could have...but they didn't.

Debating this feels weird...it's like debating whether or not Shakespeare should have killed off Romeo and Juliet. Whether he should have or not, he did.

I think there'd be a lot more outrage if Disney decided to take the classic tales and change them.
 
Maleficent13 said:
They could have...but they didn't.

Debating this feels weird...it's like debating whether or not Shakespeare should have killed off Romeo and Juliet. Whether he should have or not, he did.

I think there'd be a lot more outrage if Disney decided to take the classic tales and change them.

Mal, I appreciate your position and I again deny any sense of anger and certainly a complete lack of "outrage." I'm just curious.

How do you explain Nemo? Was that based on some classic tale? Are there no classic tales that don't involve the mother being eaten?
 
They did change the classic tales. We all know that the original Little Mermaid died at the end.

The loss of a parent is an emotional loss. Without one of the parents, it gives the heros and heroines more depth and emotion.
 
Also, regarding your Shakespeare reference, maybe Mrs. Pete can help . . . I can't recall . . . how many mothers did he kill?
 

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