Why do I feel like I am being punished by DVC for buying resale?

[KAT4DISNEY]

Along the "words have meaning" lines, let's be clear that the benefit is effectiveky for DVD customers, not DVC members.

All right. Qualified DVC Members would work.

 

[Dean]

But the Gold AP is NOT a discount. It's a less expensive pass due to blackout dates.
That's my whole point. I agree that a *discounted* Platinum Pass may be off limits, but a Gold is not a discounted pass.

MG

Found this later under a different order page for the Gold pass when you click DVC members (we also are FL residents).

Price for Disney Vacation Club Members

Item(s) are priced for Disney Vacation Club Members only. For these items, you must show a valid Disney Vacation Club Membership ID at the park entrance to pick up your tickets or passes.

I don't think one could make the case the a white card met that requirement but I'm sure someone will try.

 

[Maistre Gracey]

Yes and no but if it didn't offer any potential savings we wouldn't be discussing it now would we? As I read the info I read it as only to those with qualified points but until we have a number of people who are all successful and no one is told no, we won't know for certain, even then it could change later.

It offers savings, but not a discount. The savings come at an expense of blackout days.
That is not a discount. A discount, as I illustrated before, would be the DVC price for a Platinum being lower than the general public. Same status, lower price.

MG

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

We had to show our dvc member card and photo ID's and it took a little while for the whole transaction but I don't know if she was verifying anything on the computer during the process

I of course have not looked at their computer screens but when I activated a pass in November my thought at the time was that they were actually verifying eligibility via other means than just looking at the cards like they used to.

 

[Matty B13]

That's irrelevant and actually an easy call to take as a salesperson. It's likely a lot less than they DVC got in general on the valet parking and it didn't make any difference and it shouldn't have. This idea that they can or should care about people complaining inappropriately is interesting. The customer is always right except when they're wrong and they'd be wrong in this situation.

Really? Seems like bait and switch to me. I wasn't around for the valet issue, but I would think the AP discount saves members a good amount of money and it being taken away would be pretty upsetting. From a business prospective I would think that selling a discounted AP to a DVC owner resale or direct owner would be a way to get either to come back more often to the resort and parks and spend more money. Win win, especially for Disney. If you don't have that AP to make you get your money's worth out of it, then you might only come back every other year.

 

[dbavis]

There is also this... https://disneyvacationclub.disney.g...ers/perks/57757_A1_MGBDVC_A4-7-WDW2017-R4.pdf. The terminology that they use is a little inconsistent but it looks like they include 'Become A Walt Disney World Passholder' as a Membership Extra and then have the usual disclaimers at the bottom of the last page including that post 4/4 resale purchasers are not eligible for Membership Extras.

 

[BestDadEver]

No, it's not that they can't. It is that some of the changes that rumor suggests they'd make are not possible.

YES: They can say resale buyers can't trade for cruises.
YES: They can not give resale buyers free Cokes at the Epcot lounge.
YES: They can restrict resale buyers from the Gold AP.

NO: They can't force resale buyers to only stay at home resort, with no 11/7 booking.
NO: They cannot charge more points for the same unit to a resale contract holder.
NO: They can't charge a resale buyer higher per-point dues.

The key is that Disney can't do much with the primary real estate benefit, legally. They can toy with some of the "club!" and "fringe benefits" that are not linked to a real property interest. The 11/7 booking is linked to the real property interest and condo structure, so there are laws that apply.

To some, that's a big deal. See also how well they do with tchotchkes like DVC sliders and shirts and mugs. Most timeshare owners aren't parading around with their timeshare logo as a designator of status.

I didn't mention anything specific. But I have been told many times by many that they won't or can't take perks form people that bought resale . Mostly after they tell me how stupid I am for buying direct . I was just kind of saying I told you so.

 

[_auroraborealis_]

I didn't mention anything specific. But I have been told many times by many that they won't or can't take perks form people that bought resale . Mostly after they tell me how stupid I am for buying direct . I was just kind of saying I told you so.

They didn't take perks from people who bought resale, though. If you bought resale before 4/4, you still have the perks.

People who buy resale for the first time don't get perks. They never get them to take away.

 

[BestDadEver]

They didn't take perks from people who bought resale, though. If you bought resale before 4/4, you still have the perks.

People who buy resale for the first time don't get perks. They never get them to take away.

What was that I saw that resale members weren't getting never cards anymore ? .

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

What was that I saw that resale members weren't getting never cards anymore ? .

Only ones who purchase after the 4/4/16 date and don't have any other qualified points. All other resale buyers are grandfathered in and still have the blue member cards.

 

[Dean]

It offers savings, but not a discount. The savings come at an expense of blackout days.
That is not a discount. A discount, as I illustrated before, would be the DVC price for a Platinum being lower than the general public. Same status, lower price.

MG

Then it should be eligible to everyone, not just DVC members and FL resident's. I think we'll find it's restricted but time will tell.

Really? Seems like bait and switch to me. I wasn't around for the valet issue, but I would think the AP discount saves members a good amount of money and it being taken away would be pretty upsetting. From a business prospective I would think that selling a discounted AP to a DVC owner resale or direct owner would be a way to get either to come back more often to the resort and parks and spend more money. Win win, especially for Disney. If you don't have that AP to make you get your money's worth out of it, then you might only come back every other year.

It's not a win if they have to pay for it OOP or rather we would in our maint fees. Here's a summary of the valet parking issue. For years, far more than the AP pass discount has been around, DVC offered free valet parking. At one point it was free throughout WDW in general, then only to DVC members. When the service was contracted out rather than being done in house, Mears continued the option for free, I'm sure hoping the tips would cover it sufficiently. when the contract came up for renewal the contract took out that provision making it full price. To continue the valet parking for free, DVCMC would have had to pay the full price just as we do now. So DVC stopped it without announcement. They made the right general call but they did it poorly IMO to the point where some checked in with free valet parking and left with a bill for valet parking.

Given that it's clearly labeled as a perk that could be taken away, that all retail buyers have signed off on the notification that perks could be removed and are not guaranteed and that ALL resale buyers have legally accepted the original terms (and any legal changes); I don't see any legitimate reason to complain if it were stopped but as we continue to see, that doesn't stop some people from complaining anyway. The pass discount is really only used by a fairly small % of members and it hasn't been around that long. Anything promised by a salesperson would be irrelevant and we've all signed on that verbal representations aren't binding.

 

[Sammie]

Yuppers.... I see nothing in that wording that says no Gold AP.

MG

It is on the DVC Member site under Member Benefits.

When it is on the same page as the Gold AP, it very much says that to me. It's listed at the bottom of the page to order the tickets.

Eligibility rules apply* then they are listed.

 

[BestDadEver]

Only ones who purchase after the 4/4/16 date and don't have any other qualified points. All other resale buyers are grandfathered in and still have the blue member cards.

I stand corrected. This thread really makes no sense then

 

[Dean]

Only ones who purchase after the 4/4/16 date and don't have any other qualified points. All other resale buyers are grandfathered in and still have the blue member cards.

Actually they could have easily made the changes retroactive to the 2011 restrictions but chose not to. Given the current wording I think it's clear any further changes will be retroactive back to 2016.

 

[Matty B13]

Then it should be eligible to everyone, not just DVC members and FL resident's. I think we'll find it's restricted but time will tell.

It's not a win if they have to pay for it OOP or rather we would in our maint fees. Here's a summary of the valet parking issue. For years, far more than the AP pass discount has been around, DVC offered free valet parking. At one point it was free throughout WDW in general, then only to DVC members. When the service was contracted out rather than being done in house, Mears continued the option for free, I'm sure hoping the tips would cover it sufficiently. when the contract came up for renewal the contract took out that provision making it full price. To continue the valet parking for free, DVCMC would have had to pay the full price just as we do now. So DVC stopped it without announcement. They made the right general call but they did it poorly IMO to the point where some checked in with free valet parking and left with a bill for valet parking.

Given that it's clearly labeled as a perk that could be taken away, that all retail buyers have signed off on the notification that perks could be removed and are not guaranteed and that ALL resale buyers have legally accepted the original terms (and any legal changes); I don't see any legitimate reason to complain if it were stopped but as we continue to see, that doesn't stop some people from complaining anyway. The pass discount is really only used by a fairly small % of members and it hasn't been around that long. Anything promised by a salesperson would be irrelevant and we've all signed on that verbal representations aren't binding.

I would think that Disney would help them out with the discounted AP, since it probably would cause people to increase the amounts of visits to the parks.

Just a side note, just had my iPad die after 1 year, 3 months. 3 months after the warranty was up, I complained about the replacement cost $300, after spending $500 last year. The nice apple tech replaced my iPad for free after seeing that I have several apple products. Before that I was thinking of switching over to a Microsoft Surface or lesser pad replacement, but after Apple took care of me, I'll be buying an IPad again in the future. That is creating brand loyalty, that people don't forget.

 

[Dean]

I would think that Disney would help them out with the discounted AP, since it probably would cause people to increase the amounts of visits to the parks.

They don't necessarily want more visits to the park part of the year. But the operative word is Disney, not DVC or DVD. This is a freebie given by another legally separate Disney entity, not paid for by DVD from what I can tell. Personally I think you're giving them too much credit and placing too much faith where it isn't deserved.

 

[Maistre Gracey]

Then it should be eligible to everyone, not just DVC members and FL resident's. I think we'll find it's restricted but time will tell.

It's not a win if they have to pay for it OOP or rather we would in our maint fees. Here's a summary of the valet parking issue. For years, far more than the AP pass discount has been around, DVC offered free valet parking. At one point it was free throughout WDW in general, then only to DVC members. When the service was contracted out rather than being done in house, Mears continued the option for free, I'm sure hoping the tips would cover it sufficiently. when the contract came up for renewal the contract took out that provision making it full price. To continue the valet parking for free, DVCMC would have had to pay the full price just as we do now. So DVC stopped it without announcement. They made the right general call but they did it poorly IMO to the point where some checked in with free valet parking and left with a bill for valet parking.

Given that it's clearly labeled as a perk that could be taken away, that all retail buyers have signed off on the notification that perks could be removed and are not guaranteed and that ALL resale buyers have legally accepted the original terms (and any legal changes); I don't see any legitimate reason to complain if it were stopped but as we continue to see, that doesn't stop some people from complaining anyway. The pass discount is really only used by a fairly small % of members and it hasn't been around that long. Anything promised by a salesperson would be irrelevant and we've all signed on that verbal representations aren't binding.

Nope. A restricted pass, like the many resident passes, are reduced in price BECAUSE there are restrictions.
The only Pass that is actually discounted for DVC Members (and FL res) is the Platinum.

MG

 

[Matty B13]

They don't necessarily want more visits to the park part of the year. But the operative word is Disney, not DVC or DVD. This is a freebie given by another legally separate Disney entity, not paid for by DVD from what I can tell. Personally I think you're giving them too much credit and placing too much faith where it isn't deserved.

I guess I'll just have to get my FIL to buy points direct and get the discounted AP.

 

[Dean]

Nope. A restricted pass, like the many resident passes, are reduced in price BECAUSE there are restrictions.
The only Pass that is actually discounted for DVC Members (and FL res) is the Platinum.

MG

Regardless, the only reasonable way to read the aggregate of the info is that they require a member ID card and the implication is a qualified one. Time will tell.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

I guess I'll just have to get my FIL to buy points direct and get the discounted AP.

Not a bad idea, but do you live with your FIL?