Whitney Houston dead

[SouthJersey]

I'm not sure who is "deeply upset" or "distraught", at least on this board. Anytime I see a funeral on TV it may bring a tear to my eye but it's not because I'm "distraught". The media grabs a story like this and runs with it, talking non-stop about it for ratings. It becomes more of a gossip or curiosity thing.

Oh I'm not talking about you guys here at all or anything anyone posted here. I've seen the funeral stream myself, but the news is also showing videos of random people at vigils SOBBING. There's people all over facebook like, "Omg, I can't believe this is real. Oh my god, she's really gone =( RIP Whitney blah blah blah" and then like 14 more status' about it, like that they're deeply distraught that it's on their mind all week. That's just insane.

 

[SouthJersey]

Okay...

Agree to disagree, I don't mind arguing.
And no matter how much I argue with you, it's all in good spirit.
I'll buy you a nice big Lapu Lapu if we're ever in Disney at the same time and we can argue in line for rides as well

 

[Soldier's*Sweeties]

Agree to disagree, I don't mind arguing.
And no matter how much I argue with you, it's all in good spirit.
I'll buy you a nice big Lapu Lapu if we're ever in Disney at the same time and we can argue in line for rides as well

I actually agree with a lot of what you have said. I'm just not going to argue what I DON'T agree with here. It's not the right thread.

AND...I HATE Rum...Vodka based would be better.

 

[SouthJersey]

I actually agree with a lot of what you have said. I'm just not going to argue what I DON'T agree with here. It's not the right thread.

AND...I HATE Rum...Vodka based would be better.

Ahhh so does my girlfriend. Grey Goose Slushies in France then it is lol.

 

[Queen2PrincessG]

Ok, does anyone know or recognize if Ray J was there? I thought I saw him as the pallbearers were taking the casket down the aisle. There was a guy stood up and kind of tried to touch it, then he sat back down and kind of crouched to the side.

When the casket was leaving the church it WAS Ray J who touched it and it was Brandy consoling him.

 

[TLSnell1981]

Brown's friends and family, from the projects of Boston, also felt an element of when he hooked up with WH. The tensions among them are longstanding.

Obviously, Whitney cared enough for the Brown family, that she sang, at her ex mother-in-law's funeral, last year AND sat with the FAMILY. Whitney, Bobby and Bobbi Kristina were photographed (together), after a FAMILY dinner...just a couple of weeks ago. It appears, they were on good terms.

It's a shame. This is Bobbi Kristina BROWN'S family too. There was no need to show such disrespect, towards her father and siblings.

 

[Queen2PrincessG]

SouthJersey can you explain to me why you're comparing Whitney's death to a military person dying. Both deaths are sad but at Whitney's life affected me. Her songs have played throughout my childhood. I'm sure her songs have been played at military funerals or comforted a military family member along with some 3 Doors Down.

Addict or not she stayed in this game called life and tried to get better and from all stories today never lost sight of God and faith.

 

[jackemail]

OK....I GET IT! She was a drug addict. She didn't fit some people's standards of conduct. She didn't "try hard enough" to overcome the drugs. Gotcha. But you know what? I loved her music. Espcially her early stuff. I was a fat, white girl who loved to sing and I loved her music. Her song the Greatest Love of All got me through some dark hours. During my parent's divorce, my Mom took me to her concert when she couldn't afford it because she knew that her music made me happy. I respected that she wore a cross and spoke of her love of Jesus. So yes, I feel bad that she died. I know she wasted her talent and abused her body. But she also brought a lot of joy and she brought light to some dark days of mine. And yes, I shed more than one tear as they carried her casket out of the church to the sound of her voice. I appreciate that soldiers sacrifice their lives and that innocent people die every day, but those facts don't mean that people can't mourn what a famous person may have meant to them in some small way.

I'm with you 100%. I am not fixated on her death, or distraught. But I sure shed a tear or two during the funeral for someone whose songs brought great joy to my daughter and I.

I respected her singing of the National Anthem, and the feeling it brought to me. I respected the fact that any monies she made from her rendition of that song, and any future playings of that song, were donated to organizations for service men and women.

I felt sorry for her and her obvious search for inner peace in her later years, especially that trip to Israel.

Very moving and spiritual service.

 

[dngnb8]

What a circus. Whitneys death mimics her life. A media circus with no substance

 

[Tiger926]

Obviously, Whitney cared enough for the Brown family, that she sang, at her ex mother-in-law's funeral, last year AND sat with the FAMILY. Whitney, Bobby and Bobbi Kristina were photographed (together), after a FAMILY dinner...just a couple of weeks ago. It appears, they were on good terms.

It's a shame. This is Bobbi Kristina BROWN'S family too. There was no need to show such disrespect, towards her father and siblings.

I totally agree.

It would seem despite the fact that Bobbi Christina is 18 years old, Whitney's family is keeping a very protective watch on her. You would think that she would be able to fight to have her dad and her other siblings sit near her, but the poor girl is probably so emotionally and physically drained, that she is doing what she is told at this point.

Or, they had a strained relationship, and she didn't want to see her dad at all and was ok with how everything went down?

It would seem that Houston's family got their way in not having Bobby stay for the funeral, and that is sad as they were together for close to 20 years, and had a child together, Whitney's only child.

I have never read or heard in any interviews Whitney say any bad things about Bobby, nor has he said anything bad about Whitney in public, and so it may have been nice for their only child to have had her dad be near her (if she indeed wanted that), as I'm sure she saw some turmoil while growing up in that household with both parents being addicts, and this final experience may have put some peace in her heart as despite that turmoil, the day was about Whitney and not the other stuff. Perhaps it would have been a nice experience for her to have her dad there with her while she remembered her mom, whom she was very close to.

I just hope that this doesn't cause a rift between Bobby Christina and Whitney's family, as the poor child has to go through life without a mom, and that is bad enough...

Tiger

 

[cornflake]

Whitney Houston deserves to be judged. She had a problem and sought NO. I will judge a person ALL day that will not seek help for their child, if for nothing else. I wouldn't judge her if she kept losing battles against drug addiction, that's NOT her case. She was content with her life and to her the drugs weren't holding her back. That's nothing to pity, it's her fault.

What do you mean that's not her case? What are you talking about?

She spent multiple stints in rehab. She talked openly about struggling with addiction.

I think the media reaction to her death has been over the top and I don't think the flags should have been at half staff but nor do I for random members of the military; they're no more heroes than she, imo. She and her singing meant something to some people, members of the military mean things to some people, one's no better or worse than the other.

 

[SouthJersey]

SouthJersey can you explain to me why you're comparing Whitney's death to a military person dying. Both deaths are sad but at Whitney's life affected me. Her songs have played throughout my childhood. I'm sure her songs have been played at military funerals or comforted a military family member along with some 3 Doors Down.

Addict or not she stayed in this game called life and tried to get better and from all stories today never lost sight of God and faith.

Oh I'm not specifically. That picture just happened to be a popular picture circulating the internet after our fat moron Governor Chris Christie decided to lower flags across the state to half-staff for her. It's just been to correlate how wrong our country's values are. There's nothing wrong with feeling bad for her, but there's something wrong with hours and hours of coverage, canceled programs, streaming funerals, etc. for a celebrity, but you never hear about deaths of scientists, soldiers, doctors, etc.

 

[lisaviolet]

I have never read or heard in any interviews Whitney say any bad things about Bobby, nor has he said anything bad about Whitney in public
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She said many - in her recent Oprah interview. But I'm merely stating - not judging as I suspect she said them more as a release of her own truths than trying to get him.

Sighing. SouthJersey your line about who is better and above.....sighing. I'm not arguing about it - it just hurt my heart I guess - sounds dramatic - but it did. We all have no idea about other's paths. No clue. None. Agree - birth onto this earth brings judgment for us all from others and to others - every single day. But there's judging with I don't the word without empathy. With empathy still judging but it feels so different to me. Just different.


And I've learned at almost 45 to be careful where I judge (and I do - I'm human) because often life shows you the path or a similar path and one has to go "hmmmm". God has taught me that lesson over and over and over again.

We don't even know how she died. I mean maybe she's done very well with her addiction. Not perfect but well. Or maybe not. Maybe she hasn't. But I still think she touched millions of people with the gift of her voice regardless. And that doesn't negate anyone who touch other humans on a daily basis with other gifts or sacrifices. Both are lovely and valid in this world. I don't know where the heck I'd be without music and how it can bring one joy or comfort.

And I guess today on the DIS I'm saddened that so many of us can't hold two truths at once.

Can't she not be someone who struggled in life and someone who brought great joy to I'm sure millions of people?

Can she not be someone who failed her daughter by taking drugs and affected her so adversely in that way and someone who at times - despite all that - TOTALLY LOVED her daughter and made sure she showed her that in other ways?

Can't she?

And before we go to people who take drugs don't love their children. I'm not even going to argue. But there are many parents that adversely affect their children by not looking after their own personal crap every single day of their children's lives. And they never drink or do drugs. Are they better parents? I'm merely asking.

 

[Tiger926]

She said many - in her recent Oprah interview. But I'm merely stating - not judging as I suspect she said them more as a release of her own truths than trying to get him.

Sighing. SouthJersey your line about who is better and above.....sighing. I'm not arguing about it - it just hurt my heart I guess - sounds dramatic - but it did. We all have no idea about other's paths. No clue. None. Agree - birth onto this earth bring judgment for us all and to others - every single day. But there's judging with I don't the word without empathy. With empathy still judging but it feels so different to me. Just different.

We don't even know if how she died. I mean maybe she's done very well with her addiction. Not perfect but well. Or maybe not. I still think she touched millions of people with the gift of her voice. And that doesn't negate anyone who touch other humans on a daily basis with other gifts or sacrifices.

And I guess today on the DIS I'm saddened that so many of us can't hold two truths at once.

Can't she not be someone who struggled in life and someone who brought great joy to I'm sure millions of people?

Can she not be someone who failed her daughter by taking drugs and affected her so adversely in that way someone who at times - despite all that - TOTALLY LOVED her daughter and made sure she showed her that in other ways?

Can't she?

And before we go to people who take drugs don't love their children. I'm not even going to argue. But there are many parents that adversely affect their children by not looking after their own personal crap every single day of their children's lives. And they never drink or do drugs. Are they better parents? I'm merely asking.

I never got to see the whole Oprah interview, but I do remember her talking about him, their marriage, her addictions, etc., but I don't recall exact specifics. I think I do remember him talking about Bobby's mental issues, addictions, anger problems, etc., but I can't recall specifics.

None of us will ever know the truth. The fact remained, that they seemed to be co-parenting their daughter in a positive way, unlike other celebrities who we see splashed in the media each week fighting over the children.

I would understand if he beat her or forced drugs on her, and the family kept him away for that reason. But they did invite him, so perhaps they only did so to appease Bobby Christina?

Either way, she made choices to marry him and stay with him, and they had a daughter together, so nevermind the grief of losing their loved one so suddenly, the family had to deal with the divorce and marital turmoil too.

Hard enough to bury a loved one so young, who died so suddenly, and seemingly due to her addictions, but harder to try and please people, most especially the grieving child who is left to pick up the pieces...

Tiger


** Edited to add **
I just watched a snippet of the interview, and she did say he smashed things, broke stuff, etc. But she also said in her famous Diane Sawyer interview that he never hit her, yet she hit him. Who to believe? They were both addicts, and as someone who deals with addicts everyday, they get into some serious situations, as well as have their own perception of reality.

 

[cornflake]

She said many - in her recent Oprah interview. But I'm merely stating - not judging as I suspect she said them more as a release of her own truths than trying to get him.

Sighing. SouthJersey your line about who is better and above.....sighing. I'm not arguing about it - it just hurt my heart I guess - sounds dramatic - but it did. We all have no idea about other's paths. No clue. None. Agree - birth onto this earth bring judgment for us all and to others - every single day. But there's judging with I don't the word without empathy. With empathy still judging but it feels so different to me. Just different.


And I've learned at almost 45 to be careful where I judge (and I do - I'm human) because often life shows you the path or a similar path and one has to go "hmmmm". God has taught me that lesson over and over and over again.

We don't even know if how she died. I mean maybe she's done very well with her addiction. Not perfect but well. Or maybe not. Maybe she hasn't. But I still think she touched millions of people with the gift of her voice. And that doesn't negate anyone who touch other humans on a daily basis with other gifts or sacrifices. Both are lovely and valid in this world. I don't know where the heck I'd be without music and how it can bring one joy or comfort.

And I guess today on the DIS I'm saddened that so many of us can't hold two truths at once.

Can't she not be someone who struggled in life and someone who brought great joy to I'm sure millions of people?

Can she not be someone who failed her daughter by taking drugs and affected her so adversely in that way someone who at times - despite all that - TOTALLY LOVED her daughter and made sure she showed her that in other ways?

Can't she?

And before we go to people who take drugs don't love their children. I'm not even going to argue. But there are many parents that adversely affect their children by not looking after their own personal crap every single day of their children's lives. And they never drink or do drugs. Are they better parents? I'm merely asking.

Thank you.

This reminds me of the thread after the Steve Jobs book came out - there were a slew of 'wow, he was a jerk! I can't believe what a terrible person, how could anyone like him,' posts. Which, yes, he was known to have been a jerk to people - AND? Unless we're talking about like, Hitler (who, of course, loved animals), I don't think one thing tends to totally define someone.

People, at least most people or most interesting people or whatever, are complex.

I'm not a big Houston fan at all, didn't watch the funeral, whatever, basically. But 'she was an addict therefore...' I mean yeah, she was. Wasn't the best parent. Nor is the lunatic helicopter parent doesn't let their kid outside alone because boogeymen might get them, imo. They might also be nice people.

As above, people can be two things at once, there can be two things going on at once.

 

[lisaviolet]

I never got to see the whole Oprah interview, but I do remember her talking about him, their marriage, her addictions, etc., but I don't recall exact specifics. I think I do remember him talking about Bobby's mental issues, addictions, anger problems, etc., but I can't recall specifics.

None of us will ever know the truth. The fact remained, that they seemed to be co-parenting their daughter in a positive way, unlike other celebrities who we see splashed in the media each week fighting over the children.

I would understand if he beat her or forced drugs on her, and the family kept him away for that reason. But they did invite him, so perhaps they only did so to appease Bobby Christina?

Either way, she made choices to marry him and stay with him, and they had a daughter together, so nevermind the grief of losing their loved one so suddenly, the family had to deal with the divorce and marital turmoil too.

Hard enough to bury a loved one so young, who died so suddenly, and seemingly due to her addictions, but harder to try and please people, most especially the grieving child who is left to pick up the pieces...

Tiger


** Edited to add **
I just watched a snippet of the interview, and she did say he smashed things, broke stuff, etc. But she also said in her famous Diane Sawyer interview that he never hit her, yet she hit him. Who to believe? They were both addicts, and as someone who deals with addicts everyday, they get into some serious situations, as well as have their own perception of reality.

I was never disagreeing with you Tiger. About anything. It was obvious from your post you didn't see the full interview. I was just merely stating that she has - and some bad stuff (he spit in her face once which honestly made me cry to hear it - I can't imagine) - and said what she did too - that she could be abusive to him - hitting him. And insinuated that it was the tip of the iceberg for what he did. But once again - I never ever got the feeling that she was saying it to get him but merely was releasing her own truths.

And I will add - that all humans have their own perception of reality. I've never been an drug addict or addicted to alcohol (thank God) but I have my own perception about many a moment that is greatly different that other's.

And since I can hold more than one thing at a time (not directed to you at all Tiger) - I am very sad for what happened for him and his family - that he was invited - must be mourning someone he once loved or still does (no matter how poorly at times) and was asked to move three times with his children that are surely mourning Whitney as well. VERY SAD. I know what mourning brings - as do most or all of us - and I would have wanted not to cause a scene if that happened to me but all bets would have been off when one is FULL of emotions. So I would suppose he really controlled himself under the circumstances.

And as an aside - once upon a time - Bobby Brown's music was a great joy for me as well.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Obviously, Whitney cared enough for the Brown family, that she sang, at her ex mother-in-law's funeral, last year AND sat with the FAMILY. Whitney, Bobby and Bobbi Kristina were photographed (together), after a FAMILY dinner...just a couple of weeks ago. It appears, they were on good terms.

Yes, but that doesn't change what I said.

 

[lisaviolet]

Thank you.

This reminds me of the thread after the Steve Jobs book came out - there were a slew of 'wow, he was a jerk! I can't believe what a terrible person, how could anyone like him,' posts. Which, yes, he was known to have been a jerk to people - AND? Unless we're talking about like, Hitler (who, of course, loved animals), I don't think one thing tends to totally define someone.

People, at least most people or most interesting people or whatever, are complex.

I'm not a big Houston fan at all, didn't watch the funeral, whatever, basically. But 'she was an addict therefore...' I mean yeah, she was. Wasn't the best parent. Nor is the lunatic helicopter parent doesn't let their kid outside alone because boogeymen might get them, imo. They might also be nice people.

As above, people can be two things at once, there can be two things going on at once.

No thank you. This is the reason why I rarely post on the CB. I'm not built for it.

I know me. I am complex. I am flawed. I'm both hard on people and completely loving. And I struggle. And I can be the voice of strength and guidance at the same time. We all are but perfection seems to live on the DIS.

And I don't get how if we can see this in ourselves - how we're good and bad - flawed and brilliant - we can't see it in others. It will forever be a true for me.

Okay getting a tad too deep. As usual.

Let's lighten.

Let me add that I loved a lot of Whitney's early music - my favourite and my teenage years. But I once saw a drag queen do "It's Not Right...." live and I was TOTALLY entranced. By it all - the song - the message - and the man doing Whitney to perfection. Funny. I had no idea that Whitney sang it at the time. Great song. And now on my playlist. And I'm surprised it wasn't a bigger hit.

 

[Tiger926]

I was never disagreeing with you Tiger. About anything. It was obvious from your post you didn't see the full interview. I was just merely stating that she has - and some bad stuff (he spit in her face once which honestly made me cry to hear it - I can't imagine) - and said what she did too - that she could be abusive to him - hitting him. And insinuated that it was the tip of the iceberg for what he did. But once again - I never ever got the feeling that she was saying it to get him but merely was releasing her own truths.

And I will add - that all humans have their own perception of reality. I've never been an drug addict or addicted to alcohol (thank God) but I have my own perception about many a moment that is greatly different that other's.

And since I can hold more than one thing at a time (not directed to you at all Tiger) - I am very sad for what happened for him and his family - that he was invited - must be mourning someone he once loved or still does (no matter how poorly at times) and was asked to move three times with his children that are surely mourning Whitney as well. VERY SAD. I know what mourning brings - as do most or all of us - and I would have wanted not to cause a scene if that happened to me but all bets would have been off when one is FULL of emotions. So I would suppose he really controlled himself under the circumstances.

And as an aside - once upon a time - Bobby Brown's music was a great joy for me as well.

No worries at all. I didn't think you were disagreeing. I actually forgot about the Oprah interview until you mentioned it, so I watched a bit to remind myself of it. But since I haven't seen the whole thing, I can't comment on its entirety. Thanks for the reminder of that interview.

As I said above, it must have been hard for the family this week, as Whitney shared almost 20 years with him, and a daughter. They can't make that go away, even in death...

I'm sure they both hurt each other in their many years together. But of course her family is going to be protective of Whitney, as she has passed so suddenly, in a tragic way. They want people to remember the good images and powerful voice that she was graced with. All of the marriage drama has no place at the funeral or burial, so I think Bobby did a good thing by leaving. Some are bashing him on various sites by calling him a wimp and a jerk, but it would seem that he realized that his presence was actually not wanted, and after a very brief farewell to her at the casket, he took his leave. The best solution in an already tumultous week for the family. Not sure if the reports are true of him arguing, but again, he spent half of his life with Whitney, and as the mother of his child, I'm sure he still loves her and wanted to stay. Not sure if the reports are true either of him being given only 2 invites, yet he showed with 9. If that is true, then despite his feeling on the matter, I think he should have just brought himself and possibly his wife, and that is that. Regardless of their difficult past, the time today was for saying goodbyes and remembering Whitney's talent.

I feel the worst for their daughter, as she has had to read and hear so many horrible things about her parents, and now this just adds even more to her already fragile state.

Tiger

 

[dngnb8]

for those of you who have an issue with the post title, sorry, but it is what it is. If you take away her singing ability, this woman is nothing above any other drug addict in the world. Take away her voice and she's the same drug user that allows their addiction to come before being a parent. Go spend as much time as you can researching her past attempts at overcoming her addiction, she barely made any effort to overcome it. She remained famous, top of charts, wealthy and had everything. In her eyes she didn't 'need' help. I believe cnn had said all of her '3' previous attempts were outpatient programs besides a rehabilitation effort for a crack addiction years ago. There was no real effort for her to beat her addiction. Twenty years of drug use, that's what, an average of 1 rehab attempt ever 7 years? I'm sorry, but to me that classifies as a junkie who chose drugs.

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