Where have all the manners gone.....

[Mouse House Mama]

First let me start by saying that my family and I had a wonderful time over Father's Day weekend. Disney was as magical as ever. Now let me share my dismay. I cannot believe how rude some people are!!!!! I know people have bad days as I too have them but outright rudeness is inexcusable. Let me start with the nasty woman in the wheelchair waiting in line for the monorail. Now I am sure her lot in life may not be the greatest but surely it is no reason to get nasty with me. She was behind us in line and my dh noticed and let her go ahead of us. Of course I completely agreed and was trying to move out of her way so she could pass. Well, apparently I wasn't moving fast enough because instead of saying thank you for letting her go ahead she was really nasty saying "excuuuuseee me!!!" Now it wasn't that she was just trying to pass, she was making a very annoyed face at me and was just plain snotty. Let me point out that we have 2 toddlers and I am 6 months pregnant so I am sorry if I cannot hurdle everyone. Then I have to point out the people who literally pushed us out of the way even when we were trying to navigate a double stroller. We try to be courteous to others and do not expect anyone to go out of their way for us but simple courtesy should be extended to everyone. On one night we got stuck by the castle during hte parade. Now let me say that we did not want to see the parade, we merely wanted to exit the park. My kids were tired and I was ill. Well, we got stuck in the crowd and had nowhere to move. Believe me- all we wanted to do was leave. I can't tell you how many people were annoyed because we had nowhere to go. They would climb over the stoller (kids inside!) and give us a dirty look or sigh. We were not the only ones experiencing this. I mean honestly- do you really think I prefer to stay trapped in a crowd with my children, all the while feeling as though I was going to be ill? Come on. Nobody wants that. Still- I have no control over the crowds as many people obviously thought that I did. I am also shocked at how nobody save one wonderful man offered me a seat when there was none while traveling to or from a park. Now I am not looking for special treatment, just courtesy. I am 6 months pregnant and I stood while a car full of people on the monorail sat looking at me! I wouldn't have taken the seat unless I really needed it, but to not even offer?!!! I ALWAYS offer my seat if there is someone who needs it more than me. I understand that everyone is hot and tired but I guess maybe I am accustomed to old fashioned manners. My dh would never let a woman stand while he sat. Now I know I am going to get flamed, but please understand where this is coming from. I am not complaining merely becasue I think I should have been treated special- I don't- I just think that we should all be courteous to each other. Does it really take that much effort?

 

[pinkdiamonds1007]

I won't flame you! *lol* i will agree with you. It's just like Walmart at Christmas time!

 

[lovethattink]

We usually encounter the rude people in the preshow area, pushing into the actual attraction or show. Come on people, if you made it to the preshow area, youve got a seat in the show.

 

[swincha]

its just too crowded now. we had one more day at mk when the crowds came and it was awful. i couldnt' stand being in the parks when it was that crowded.

 

[StephenKay]

Hi there,

I to have noticed that many people only about themselves. I was always brought up by my mum and dad to offer a seat a lady or child on the bus etc, this seems to have stopped as common practice. It's a shame.

 

[Nank]

That is a shame. The manners have gone right out the window.....

I didn't know you could get "trapped" by the parade. I'll have to make sure that doesn't happen to us!

 

[Stacey2grls]

I totally agree with you, no flames here! I really must say that 99% of the time people were courteous, but, when people were bad, boy they were bad! I had a couple of disturbing situations. The first that comes to mind was one night staking out a spot for Spectromagic. We sat there in our spot 2 hours early. When about 30 minutes before the start, this woman shows up, and starts squishing us all! I know this happens, I understand, everyone wants to see the parade, but this woman was so pushy! She kept saying "my grandchildren need to see the show, can't everyone make some space"! And to add insult to injury she kept shoving my kids into each other! I finally had to tell her to calm down, and that her grandchildren were no more important than my children who had been patiently waiting for almost two hours, and whose parents had to foresight to get a spot early. Needless to say, she wasn't too pleased, but jeez was she kidding or what? I had to deal with her grumbling the rest of the time. Another thing too, so many people just do not feel the need to give up their seats on the buses/monorail. I mean I was brought up and so was my husband to give your seat up to anyone that needs it more than yourself. I juggled holding my daughter on one arm, and keeping my other daughter from falling to the ground, while able bodied people just watched. Meanwhile my husband gave up his seat continually.

 

[mommic32]

It broke my heart when at POR this past May when I witnesed a older gentleman try and stand at the end of the night while holding on to the pole as teenagers would not give up their seat, There NEEDS to be a sign that reads Mothers with young children and elderly get first seats. Sorry if I am insulting anyone,,, but come on, It's a issue of respect. But I will NOT get started on the buss issue.. I believe that was my only complaint for the whole trip...

 

[dixipixi]

I had to chime in on this one. We were at WDW June 1st-12th. Everything about our stay was wonderful. We cannot brag enough on our hotel (YC), the CM's we encountered, the parks, and the great meals (and service) we had!

The one downside to our trip was how many rude and inconsiderate people we ran into! I do have to say that we didn't have any complaints from around our hotel or the restaurants. Most rude guests seemed to be concentrated in the parks and especially at DTD!!!

There was always room for everyone to sit on our buses, so we did not have a problem with that issue.

The worst thing that happened to us was at the LMA! stunt show at the Studios. Let me begin by saying that I would NEVER get in the way of an obviously handicapped person in a wheelchair. If anything, I would go out of my way to help if at all possible.

Well, we were standing (along with a few thousand other people) in the holding area out front before the show. A family with a child in a wheelchair came up on the wrong side of the crowd for handicapped admittance. The crowd was really packed in tight and they decided to go through instead of around the crowd. We just didn't have anywhere to move. People were trying to move out of the way, there was just limited space in which to move. The father is yelling at the top of his lungs, "MOVE people! We have a wheelchair! Get out of our way! MOVE! MOVE! MOVE!" They are next to me at this point. I have NOWHERE to go. I'm trying as hard as I can to squeeze together with my family to give them some room. The father takes both his open palms and pushes me into an elderly couple! I try not to hit the couple and wind up on the wet pavement. The mother then proceeds to hit me with the wheelchair (actually cutting my heel). The elderly gentleman says something to her and she screams at him, "You HAVE to move out of my way, I'M PRIVILEDGED WHILE AT WDW!" Everyone is just looking at them in disbelief at this point. I'm getting up and she looks at me and says, "That'll teach you to get in front of a wheelchair!" I felt like crying. Like I said, I would NEVER be inconsiderate to someone in a situation like that. I was not deliberately blocking them or keeping them from entering the stadium. No one was even being allowed in at this point, so I just didn't understand their urgency. By the way, the handicapped entrance was clearly marked and they could have seen it well before they joined the crowd. A CM came over to check on me and some other people they had run over. She told me that they were angry because they thought she would give them special entry priveledges over everyone else and when she didn't they had a few choice words for her.

I know it has to be exhausting dealing with a handicapped child all the time so I let it go. I truly feel for those people. But that doesn't give them the right to actually HURT others waiting in line. I guess I'm still kind of in disbelief that people would actually act like that!

 

[C.Ann]

I had to chime in on this one. We were at WDW June 1st-12th. Everything about our stay was wonderful. We cannot brag enough on our hotel (YC), the CM's we encountered, the parks, and the great meals (and service) we had!

The one downside to our trip was how many rude and inconsiderate people we ran into! I do have to say that we didn't have any complaints from around our hotel or the restaurants. Most rude guests seemed to be concentrated in the parks and especially at DTD!!!

There was always room for everyone to sit on our buses, so we did not have a problem with that issue.

The worst thing that happened to us was at the LMA! stunt show at the Studios. Let me begin by saying that I would NEVER get in the way of an obviously handicapped person in a wheelchair. If anything, I would go out of my way to help if at all possible.

Well, we were standing (along with a few thousand other people) in the holding area out front before the show. A family with a child in a wheelchair came up on the wrong side of the crowd for handicapped admittance. The crowd was really packed in tight and they decided to go through instead of around the crowd. We just didn't have anywhere to move. People were trying to move out of the way, there was just limited space in which to move. The father is yelling at the top of his lungs, "MOVE people! We have a wheelchair! Get out of our way! MOVE! MOVE! MOVE!" They are next to me at this point. I have NOWHERE to go. I'm trying as hard as I can to squeeze together with my family to give them some room. The father takes both his open palms and pushes me into an elderly couple! I try not to hit the couple and wind up on the wet pavement. The mother then proceeds to hit me with the wheelchair (actually cutting my heel). The elderly gentleman says something to her and she screams at him, "You HAVE to move out of my way, I'M PRIVILEDGED WHILE AT WDW!" Everyone is just looking at them in disbelief at this point. I'm getting up and she looks at me and says, "That'll teach you to get in front of a wheelchair!" I felt like crying. Like I said, I would NEVER be inconsiderate to someone in a situation like that. I was not deliberately blocking them or keeping them from entering the stadium. No one was even being allowed in at this point, so I just didn't understand their urgency. By the way, the handicapped entrance was clearly marked and they could have seen it well before they joined the crowd. A CM came over to check on me and some other people they had run over. She told me that they were angry because they thought she would give them special entry priveledges over everyone else and when she didn't they had a few choice words for her.

I know it has to be exhausting dealing with a handicapped child all the time so I let it go. I truly feel for those people. But that doesn't give them the right to actually HURT others waiting in line. I guess I'm still kind of in disbelief that people would actually act like that!

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That is absolutely horrible!! Those people should have been escorted OUT OF THE PARK!!

I hope the crowds aren't so bad on our next trip.. I really don't want to have to deal with the rudeness.. Every guest at WDW is EQUAL - even though many seem to think they're "better"... Sheesh!!

 

[Jakesmom504]

I completely agree with you, no flames here! I especially understand the importance of common courteousy now that I have a 13 month old. Some people will go so out of their way to help you and others could care less if they let a door slame in your face while your trying to get a stroller through it. It is not about getting special treatment, it is about people being totally rude, but like I always say, what goes around comes around!
On a side note, when we visited Disney in 1992 with my then very pregnant mother, we encountered a time when no one would offer my mother a seat on the bus. (Most of the time we didn't have this problem) My father was so mad that he literally said out loud (in a calm voice,) "Can anyone give up their seat, my wife is pregnant?" Needless to say, my mother was mortified but a nice teenage boy did give up his seat.

 

[WishUponAStar]

Hey, I think I know that family!!

Actually as a public school teacher I see that kind of junk all the time. Of course the parents will raise another generation just like themselves- rude, obnoxious, think they are entitled to special treatment,... They scream profanities, push, cut lines for water and parades, jump ride and show ques, blow cigarette smoke...

Although I was raised to use manners I am courtious because I choose to be. It may not feel right but it seems what people like that need is for someone to give it right back to them (verbally or...). It is usually the only thing they understand.
Therefore, mess with me, wife and/or my kids and I will probably take you out behind Splash Mountain and give you an old fashioned country...

You are paying big bucks for your WDW vacation just like they are. Do not let anyone ruin your time.
Someone has to stand up to them- Vigilante Mouse.

 

[lucyanna girl]

We also noticed an increase in rude people on our last trip, June 1 - 9. The last of a bruse that covered the whole side of my foot ( I'm talking at least 6 inches long and all the way up to my ankle ) is just now fading away from being run over by a man pushing a wheel chair at a dead run on his way toward Splash Mountain one night at MK during EMH. He never even paused to say sorry or see what damage he had done. I would never get in the way of a wheel chair purposely. My DD, 13 who we call our "little Pacifist" because she will go so far to avoid cross words was ready to chase him down she was so angry but I needed her help to keep standing - really thought for a minute or two my foot was broken.
Then there were the resort buses. DD and I stood several times and didn't expect anyone to give us their seats but We also saw several older women and men who were having trouble staying on their feet and alot of young people who were trying very hard NOT to see how much these folks could have used a seat. Also saw a man standing while holding his young son who was having a hard time keeping his balance.
Same problem on Monorail. There was one really nice young man who insisted I take his seat one day. It was so nice to see some other mother taught her son the same thing I did to my grown sons. I Thankes him and told him his mother would be proud.
I know everyone gets hot and tired after a long day but consideration for others is wonderful to see.

 

[fireman17]

You won't get any flames here either! We went down in May 03 with DS5 and DD2 and my wife was six months pregnant as well. I was raised old school and will give up my seat to a woman or older person in a heartbeat. I could not get over how many other and I use this term loosely "men" would not give my wife a seat either on the bus or at the parks.
So as a firefighter/EMT I would embarass the hell out of them or resort to the old trick of saying very loudly "what do you mean you're having contractions"!
Boy you want to see people move in a hurry! To the pregnant women out there keep this trick in the back of your mind and when you're on the bus and no one gets up, give a little shout and tell your husband you think you just had a contraction. Worked for us..

 

[disneyjunkie]

I'm sure I'll get flamed for this.

If you know that you NEED a seat, why would you get on a crowded bus or monorail? Why not just wait for the next one or take a cab?

There are times that I refuse to stand. If a bus pulls up and I see that we won't get a seat, I step to the side to wait for the next one. If I don't feel like waiting, then we'll hop in a cab.

I see rudeness on both sides. Those who refuse to give their seats up to someone that needs it more than them and the people that get on a crowded bus or monorail expecting others to get up for them.

Each time we've been in this situation my son has given his seat to some mom holding an infant or young child. Of course they are always sooooo grateful for the seat, go on about how he's such a well-mannered young man, blah, blah, blah.

I just give them a fake smile and wonder why my 13-year-old son is more concerned about their child's safety than they are.

 

[welovedis]

No flames here. What bothers me is when my DS stands up and offers his seat to an adult, they refuse and another family has their child scoot into the seat instead. My son was only 7 the last time we went to WDW, so if he offers the seat to an adult and they refuse, I don't see why another child (usually not a small toddler either) should take his seat instead.

This happened more than once in Jan 04 and I was quite aggravated by it. I guess it wouldn't be a big deal if the other child was not so close to his age. Each time I made small talk with the kid and found they were either 6,7 or 8. I guess I just don't think that a 7 yo should give up a seat for a child his own age.

And I also agree about not getting on a crowded bus/monorail. We always wait for the next one to come along if we feel we need a seat.

 

[TNKBELL]

You won't get any flames here either! We went down in May 03 with DS5 and DD2 and my wife was six months pregnant as well. I was raised old school and will give up my seat to a woman or older person in a heartbeat. I could not get over how many other and I use this term loosely "men" would not give my wife a seat either on the bus or at the parks.
So as a firefighter/EMT I would embarass the hell out of them or resort to the old trick of saying very loudly "what do you mean you're having contractions"!
Boy you want to see people move in a hurry! To the pregnant women out there keep this trick in the back of your mind and when you're on the bus and no one gets up, give a little shout and tell your husband you think you just had a contraction. Worked for us..

Too Funny!!!
I do think this is a great reminder to us all to be polite and show a little chivalry!!

 

[Mouse House Mama]

DisneyJunkie-
We have waited for the next monorail/bus and have had people PUSH ahead of us knocking us out of the way to get a seat before us. We had an entire family do that to us even though we had already waited for one monorail to pass so we could take a less crowded one. This resulted in us waiting yet again with 2 toddlers and a very pregant me. I think it's great that you taught your kids manners, but you have got to be kidding me if you think everyone should wait for hours for an empty seat on the transportation. It has nothing to do with me not wanting my kids safe, sometimes you are already stuck on a bus before you realize that there are no seats and you can't get off. We have been in this situation. As for your fake smile I think that's pretty contradictory as to what you are teaching your son. Maybe that older person can't wait for another bus and had no choice. Maybe they need to get back ASAP for their meds. Or maybe they didn't expect anyone to offer them a seat and where pleasantly surprised that someone did. I am not trying to flame you but I really think you missed my point. I DO NOT expect people to part the red sea for me because I am pregnant and have 2 toddlers. I merely think that common courtesy should apply. Maybe it is old fashioned and outdated, but that's the way I was raised and that's the way I raise my kids. Maybe it's not women's lib and all that but I like people to hold a door for me -man or woman- it is just simple kindness. Not like the rude man who looked at me with my kids and then let the door go in my face. I'm sorry but that is just plain rude. I commend you on teaching your kids manners and think you are doing a great job, but you sound a little cynical about it. I hope maybe you will see it from a different point of view.

 

[seashoreCM]

[running over people with wheelchair or stroller or just their own legs]

That is absolutely horrible!! Those people should have been escorted OUT OF THE PARK!!

First order of business is to stop the miscreant. Sometimes grabbing something such as a cell phone or ECV key or an item out of the pouch in back of the wheelchair is necessary. Then when security arrives you file assault charges on the spot, adding "you will drop charges in exchange for fifty dollars or extra fast passes or restaurant entrees for the family" or something like that. Now you could ask for the fast passes an hour later if the guy got away ...

Disney hints:
http://members.aol.com/ajaynejr/disney.htm

 

[seashoreCM]

on a crowded bus/monorail. We always wait for the next one to come along if we feel we need a seat.

How many buses or monorails does an able bodied man have to wait for in order to be able to sit down? One? Ten?

On a city bus or subway usually I stand near or in a doorway for the express purpose of helping others get off. But one time I was feelling ill and grabbed a seat instead.