WHERE are the non mainstream entrances??? I CANT find it!

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I know that I've seen a list somewhere that DETAILS where to go with an ECV at each ride when there is no mainstream cue.

I can't for the life of me find the details.

I can find which rides have mainstream, which ones want you to transfer to a ride car or a wheelchair, but I can't find where the entrances are.

I KNOW that the entrance for Haunted Mansion is off to the right and you go in the back door/servant's entrance.

I know that Country Bears has a separate door on the left that you have to go around to.

I am pretty sure that the Hall of Presidents makes you open a side door to go in because the main doors have turnstiles.

I also know that to get on the mainstreet train, you have to go up a ramp way over near city hall...(nearly impossible to find last time I was looking for it).

Most of these rides SEEM like you are in line with everyone else, but you have to find the door in to get to the line to begin with because they don't have a gate next to the turnstile....I can't find that info.

What other rides have a separate door that I have to go to?
 
Here are 2 answers, but they only mention where the mainstream access is and where there are accommodations that have been made. http://www.wdwinfo.com/wdwinfo/disabmobility.htm#access

Allears has basically the same info. http://allears.net/pl/mobility.htm

I hope someone else out there has a better memory than I do when it comes to these. I remember that It's a Small World was kind of hard to get to/into, but it was lovely once I was situated. I needed help to get out, and CMs aren't allowed to help for liability issues (so I had to wait for my husband to climb over and help me out).
 
Yeah, I know which ones have mainstream and which ones don't. I just don't know WHERE to go for the ones that have the separate entrance.

I learned from Haunted Mansion that you can end up winding through the line and then end up at a turnstile and have to backtrack to the separate entrance.

(although this is my first time with an ECV, I have had many years of having turnstile issues due to my being a very short and pear shaped girl. )

Unfortunately, I have never seen a CM redirecting people at HM. I've even been waiting at the handicap gate there and had CM's walk right past me and come back 10 min. later, having never even acknowledged that they saw me.
I have also spent more than 5 minutes asking around for how to get up to the mainstreet trainstation. I just don't often see very clearly marked signs for the auxillary entrances and usually no CM's standing around redirecting.

For instance, how do you get on the Liberty Boat in Liberty Square? I see the big boat, I see the tiny turnstiles, I have seen people on the boat in their ECV's. I have no idea how to get on the thing.



(don't even get me started on Disneyland...that was a nighmare. Freakin' tunstiles at the EXITS or auxillary entrances that make you go in through the EXIT.)
 
I know a lot of them are accessed through the fastpass line.

I'll list what I can remember! I'm going through my Passporters so hopefully that will jog my memory.

Tiki Room- it follows the main entrance, you just go in the very front part for the preshow and you'll be allowed in the theater first to get situated.

Jungle Cruise- if you're looking at the front of it, go to the left, that's where the handicap boarding is, but you'll have to wait for an accessible boat.

Haunted Mansion- I've been through two ways, one where you go through the main entrance and then get pulled out, and also been in through the exit, I think it depends on your situation.

It's a Small World- You go down the exit, its a ramp. Stay to the right and you'll see wheelchair logos on the floor and you'll enter a line here and again you'll have to wait for an accessible boat.

Spaceship Earth- go left around the ball, you'll see a door that has a wheelchair logo by it. You'll enter the dump area by the exit of the ride and last time they took our name and lead us up the exit.

Universe of Energy- You'll wait with everyone else, and when you enter the ride theater you'll be seated in the back of the ride vehicle where there's a space for the wheelchair to go.

Test Track- you go through the exit, and up a ramp where everyone exits, I think you'll see the wheelchair logo here too.

Living with the Land-there's an entrance marked with a wheelchair logo, you'll have to wait for an accessible boat.

Toy Story Mania- you go through the fast pass line, then there's a small ramp that veers you out of the main line and a seperate loading platform.

Tower of Terror- through the gift shop and up by the exit, there's a cast members only door they'll take you through with an elevator that takes you up to the ride elevator loading area.

Kilimanjaro Safari- there's a line when you get close to the boarding area that has a ramp with a wheelchair logo so that you'll be at the vehicle's height to board.

Dinosaur- through the fast pass line, you'll be seperated out and take an elevator down to the offload area and board through there.

This is what I can remember over 2 trips, and this was going through the park with a guide dog. More often than not we follow the same procedure as the wheelchair folk. You'll notice the newer rides and parks will send you through the main line more often then have a spot where you'll be seperated out, and the older rides and parks you'll have a completely different entrance. Get a GAC and ask the CM's at the ride entrance, they should direct you where you need to go.

Hope this helps!
 

THAT is more of what I was talking about! Thank you.

With Toy Story Mania, I actually read that you go in the main line (not the fastpass) and right at the steps area, you are redirected up a ramp instead.

Is that correct? We are going to be mainly in DHS this year and the MK.
 
THAT is more of what I was talking about! Thank you.

With Toy Story Mania, I actually read that you go in the main line (not the fastpass) and right at the steps area, you are redirected up a ramp instead.

Is that correct? We are going to be mainly in DHS this year and the MK.
that is correct for Toy Story Mania.
You don't automatically use the Fastpass line.

WDW used to have the information listed in the online version of the Guidebook for Guests with Disabilities, but they reformatted the information and no longer list it there.
When you get to the park, go to Guest Relations and ask for a Guidebook for Guests with Disabilities. The current version (as of March 2009) is a map and it clearly lists access for each attraction. When I picked up a map in March, the CM was careful to mention that access has changed for some attractions, so to look at the map and use the entrances marked there.

Some of the information listed by other posters is mo longer current; I can't male a list right now. I am typing on a tiny iPod screen. I will update from the map from March when I get home from work, but you need to still get a guidebook when you get to the park so you have themost recent info.
 
Thank you so much Sue.

I KNEW I had seen that info before. I was thinking I was going crazy trying to find it. I have had to avoid (a few tight) turnstiles over the years, but I haven't needed a complete detailed access list.
But, this year is different and hopefully temporary.
I used to think that my limitations made me understand the difficulties. But the ECV adds a new set of rules to the game than just avoiding a few tight turnstiles. My heart goes out to anyone who has to do this every second of their days....it truely does.
 
Sorry, I had iPod problems and my computer was busy backing up the iPod.
I will list the access from the March disabilities Guidemap tomorrow.
 
Hm, I know we were put through the fastpass line because a woman in the standby line was screaming at the CM that she was letting too many fastpassers through and she had waiting 2 hours blah blah blah. Maybe it was a one time thing because the standby was so long or maybe things have just changed?
 
Hm, I know we were put through the fastpass line because a woman in the standby line was screaming at the CM that she was letting too many fastpassers through and she had waiting 2 hours blah blah blah. Maybe it was a one time thing because the standby was so long or maybe things have just changed?
I'm sure that is what happened to you, but the attraction is listed on the guidemap as "Obtain a Fastpass or enter through the Mainstream Queue. If Fastpass is not available, enter through standard queue."
The icon listed for that attraction means "ECV users must transfer to a standard wheelchair". That icons sometimes means that the transfer must be made when entering the queue and sometimes means that there is a wheelchair accessible ride car, but the ride car is not ECV accessible. I have seen ECVs in the regular line at TSM, so I think in this case it means a transfer if the usser the ECV can't sit/transfer to a regular ride car.
The line is Mainstream (regular line) for users of wheelchairs until it comes to the point where the Fastpass and Standby line join together. at that point, there are stairs in the Standby queue and anyone with mobility needs/problems with stairs is routed to the alternate boarding area - the wait there can be longer than if the guest was able to continue up the stairs.

It is always the CM's option to send you thru the Fastpass line, but the listed access is to go thru the regular line until the stairs.
 
so it's all the standard Disney answer for everything "it depends on the CM".

Do you all know if they have larger sized wheelchairs at any of the rides where you have to transfer? I can wait in line walking for a few minutes, but I don't think I could do the entire length of the line at TSM walking at this time.


btw, i'll be there sept. 29-oct.5. Look for the scooter pimped out as the "Tinkmobile" and say hi!!!
 
so it's all the standard Disney answer for everything "it depends on the CM".

Do you all know if they have larger sized wheelchairs at any of the rides where you have to transfer? I can wait in line walking for a few minutes, but I don't think I could do the entire length of the line at TSM walking at this time.


btw, i'll be there sept. 29-oct.5. Look for the scooter pimped out as the "Tinkmobile" and say hi!!!
They should.
Even if you can go thru the Fastpass line, the wait at the handicapped boarding area can be 30 minutes or more. On our last trip in March, part of our party went down the ramp with DD's wheelchair to the accessible boarding area and the rest of us went up the stairs. Those of us in the 'stairs' group were done riding and could look across and see my DH, DD and her 2 grandmas still waiting to board. We ended up waiting about 25 minutes for them outside, so their 'extra' wait was around 1/2 hour.
 
I'm sure that the additional wait is based on also waiting for the accessible ride cars to circle back around. Fortunately, I will be able to use a regular ride car as long as I can sit in the ECV or a large wheelchair until I board....putting the pressure on my heel for that long is definitely not going to happen.

Really enjoying the tips.
We will be at MK and DHS, so those are the parks where I really need the info on the variations to look out for and things to be aware of with the ECV.
I'm not going to count on there being a CM at every turn to direct me. Plus, I still just worry about dragging my familly around trying to find out info. I'll feel better if I know where I'm going and it will make it easy on them. I'm not worried about me. I'll get where I'm going eventually. I just don't want to frustrate anyone else.
 
To get on the Liberty Boat in your ECV you have to enter through the exit at the right side of the dock (Over by Haunted Mansion).


Quite often I just rode my ECV to the ride vehicle then transfered to the ride. I too can't stand for long nor can I walk any distance.
 
I'm sure that the additional wait is based on also waiting for the accessible ride cars to circle back around. Fortunately, I will be able to use a regular ride car as long as I can sit in the ECV or a large wheelchair until I board....putting the pressure on my heel for that long is definitely not going to happen.

But what is the policy for this - will they pull in a regular ride car at the access point, and will you be allowed to pass by the others waiting ahead of you in the accessible waiting area? Or do you need to wait until those ahead of you in that waiting queue get on?
 
OK - here's the information from the Guidemaps we picked up in March 2009. This can change, so I would suggest you pick up Guidemaps for Guests with Disabilities - they are available at Guest Relations at any park and also should be where ECVs and wheelchairs are rented. There is one for each park and they are nicer in some ways than the old Guidebooks. The biggest advantage is that they are maps. The biggest disadvantage is that the type face is small.
You don't need a GAC to use any of the standard "Mobility Access" entrances listed in the Guidemap (the Guidemap has some further information for other tpes of special needs, but in general, says to use the listed "mobility Access". If a CM says you do need a GAC for a standard entrance, show the map where it says the entrance to use and ask to speak to a manager if you need to.
The maps are actually much easier (at least I think so) than this list because there is an icon for each attraction that shows the type of access and also the way you get in is listed right there with the attraction. Keep in mind that this is what is listed in the Guidemap; the CM has the option to do something different (like allow use of the FP line).

Abbreviations:
SQ = Enter thru the Standard Queue
FP = Fastpass; Guidebook says to obtain a Fastpass if available and gives further instructions if not available (usually says to use the SQ or contact a Host; the Host may allow you to use the FP line and give you a handwritten FP to be used right away or with a return time written on. Which is given depends on things not visible to the guest and you may be told one thing on one ride and something else even when returning to the same attraction later the same day (since what is done often depends on conditions at the time).
ECV to WC = switch from ECV to available wheelchair at the attraction. Check with CM at entrance to see whether the line is ECV accessible. This is not listed on the Guidemap, so it is difficult to tell whether the line is accessible or just that there is a wheelchair accessible ride vehicle you could use with a wheelchair. If ECV to WC is not listed, the attraction is WC and ECV accessible.
WC = attraction is wheelchair accessible without transferring (those requiring transfer are noted)
For the few attractions where the instructions say to enter at the exit, you will usually not be boarding right away and you may be given sort of a handwritten FP to come back later if the boarding area is too full of people with special needs who are waiting.

I listed restaurants only when there are entrances that are not accessible.
MK
Main Street USA
City Hall: Use the ramp on LEFT (in case you need to figure out how to get there to get the map) WC
Main Street Vehicles: (trolley cars, buses, etc) See host for boarding options. Must be ambulatory, but some wheelchairs can be folded and loaded on certain vehicles for a one way trip.
WDW Railroad at Main Street: Use ramp on the RIGHT. (If the chain is closed to that ramp, it means the railroad is not operating or is closing down). ECV to WC (I have seen ECVs on this ramp and have also seen smaller ECVs on the train). WC
Town Square Exhibition Hall and Tony's Restaurant: Use ramp on the RIGHT, WC
Crystal Palace: Use ramp on LEFT, WC

Adventureland
Swiss Family Treehouse: Must be ambulatory
Magic Carpets: SQ, ECV to WC; WC
Enchanted Tiki Room: SQ (there is a wheelchair gate on the RIGHT at the entrance and once you are thru, the CM will tell you to go into the front row in the waiting area).
Jungle Cruise: SQ, FP; if no Fastpasses, says to see a Host for options or enter thru the exit (this is to the LEFT of the standby line. There is a wheelchair symbol on the area). WC
Pirates: SQ - the CM at the entrance will direct you, ECV to WC, must transfer. This is one I know they encourage people to use one of the attraction wheelchairs since it is difficult to transfer any mobility devices from the boarding area to the exit.

Frontierland
WDW Railroad: wheelchair ramp on RIGHT. ECV to WC, WC
Splash Mountain: SQ, FP, if not available, enter thru the SQ. The line is accessible until you are almost to a set of stairs. At that point, there is a gate with a wheelchair symbol on your RIGHT. Wait there for a CM to take you to a waiting area near the exit to wait to board. Must transfer
Big Thunder Mountain RR: FP, if not available, see a host for options or enter thru the exit. Must transfer - do have a car with wider opening to make transfer easier
Country Bears: Keep to the left when entering and stay to the LEFT to enter the show thru the door on the LEFT. Accessible seating is at the front. WC
Tom Sawyer Island: SQ, must be ambulatory

Liberty Square
Hall of Presidents: Door on the RIGHT (this has been renovated since we were there last and has been updated in terms of numbers of seats for wheelchairs/ECVs). WC
Liberty Square Riverboat: Enter the exit on RIGHT or LEFT, WC
Haunted Mansion:See a host for boarding options. You could be brought in the exit courtyard or told to go thru the standard line until you get to the hearse on your RIGHT. At that point, you would wait for a CM to direct you into the exit courtyard. There are many reasons that HM has variable access and most are not things that guests can see. Some of the variables might be how many guests with special needs are already waiting, whether those guests are going to be walking in or skipping the stretching room and boarding at the exit, how soon the next 'stretching room show' begins and how many guests with special needs are already on the attraction.
Must transfer; there is a car with a wider opening for easier transfers
Liberty Tree Tavern: Ramp on the LEFT, WC

Fantasyland
Small World: SQ, after about the second turn, you will notice a wheelchair symbol on a gate to the LEFT of the attraction (as you face the attraction). That gate leads to the exit ramp; stay to the right side of the ramp. ECV to WC (can stay in ECV until boarding), WC
Peter Pan: FP or see a host for options. Must Transfer - very short transfer time. It is listed as Must be Ambulatory
Mickey's Phiharmagic: SQ or FP, if FP not available, use SQ, WC; once you are entering the building, follow the marked wheelchair/handicapped area on the RIGHT
Fairytale Garden, Storytime with Belle: SQ, WC
Snow White's Scary Adventure: thru exit on RIGHT, Must Transfer
Carrousel: thru exit on RIGHT, must transfer
Dumbo use ramp on RIGHT, must transfer
Ariel's Grotto: SQ, WC
Pooh's Playful Spot: SQ, WC (although you need to get out of wheelchair for some of the play areas)
Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh: ECV to WC, SQ, FP, if no FP available, enter thru SQ, WC
Mad Tea Party: thru exit on RIGHT, must transfer
Cinderella's Royal Table: waiting area is accessible. Restaurant is on an upper floor and there is a small elevator. Only accessible restroom is on ground floor.

Toontown Fair (closing to make room for Fantasyland expansion):
Mickey and Minnie's Country Houses, Toontown Hall of Fame, Judge's Tent, Donald's Boat: SQ, WC
WDW Railroad:ECV to WC, WC, wheelchair ramp on RIGHT
Barnstormer: ECV to WC, must transfer. Enter thru exit

Tomorrowland
Tomorrowland Indy Speedway: SQ, Must transfer
Space Mountain: Currently under renovation and will be open in November 2009.
Astro Orbiter: SQ, must transfer
Tomorrowland Transit Authority: Must be ambulatory, SQ, involves a trip up a steep moving ramp to get to the boarding area, a moving walkway to board and a steep moving ramp to exit.
Carousel of Progress: SQ, WC
Buzz Lightyear: ECV to WC, SQ or FP, if FP not available, use SQ, WC
Stitch's Great Escape: ECV to WC, SQ or FP, if FP not available, use SQ, WC
Monsters Inc, Laugh Floor: SQ, once entering the building, stay to the RIGHT and follow the marked disability lane.
Cosmic Ray's Starlight Cafe: If the door you come to has steps, follow the building around until you find a door without steps.
 
But what is the policy for this - will they pull in a regular ride car at the access point, and will you be allowed to pass by the others waiting ahead of you in the accessible waiting area? Or do you need to wait until those ahead of you in that waiting queue get on?

I have no idea what they will do. If everyone in line needs the accessible car, I don't see how my taking a 'normal' car would effect anything. If anything, it would move things along for the people behind me as well and provide more waiting room. I guess it just depends on whatever is most convenient based on how the CM's do things. I don't see any reason to take the needed wheelchairs there by transferring or take one of the limited accessible cars when I can walk the few steps to the ride and just use one of the many regular cars.

But, it is a good point. I don't mind waiting either way. I've been to Disney many times and have waited all over the World. It's part of the ride. I'm just glad that I don't have to miss Mr. Potato head. From what I understand, if you do the FP route, you don't go past him.
 
Sue, thank you so much for taking the time to give us this information.

You have been a tremendous help!!

jeanie
 
Abbreviations:
SQ = Enter thru the Standard Queue
FP = Get Fastpass; Guidebook says to obtain a Fastpass if available and gives further instructions if not available (usually says to use the SQ or contact a Host; the Host may allow you to use the FP line and give you a handwritten FP to be used right away or with a return time written on. Which is given depends on things not visible to the guest and you may be told one thing on one ride and something else even when returning to the same attraction later the same day (since what is done often depends on conditions at the time).
ECV to WC = switch from ECV to available wheelchair at the attraction. Check with CM at entrance to see whether the line is ECV accessible. This is not listed on the Guidemap, so it is difficult to tell whether the line is accessible or just that there is a wheelchair accessible ride vehicle you could use with a wheelchair. If ECV to WC is not listed, the attraction is WC and ECV accessible.
WC = attraction is wheelchair accessible without transferring (those requiring transfer are noted)
For the few attractions where the instructions say to enter at the exit, you will usually not be boarding right away and you may be given sort of a handwritten FP to come back later if the boarding area is too full of people with special needs who are waiting.

I listed restaurants only when there are entrances that are not accessible.

Hollywood Boulevard:
Great Movie Ride: SQ, stay to the RIGHT. CM will provide direction when you get to the preshow area. WC to ECV (can ride ECV to boarding), WC

Echo Lake
Sounds Dangerous: SQ, WC
American Idol: SQ, WC. The CM at the entrance will direct you where to go.
Indiana Jones Stunt Show: Get PF or see host; if FP not available, enter thru SQ, WC
Star Tours: Get PF or see host; if FP not available, enter thru SQ, ECV to WC for line, must transfer

Streets of America
Muppet Vision 3D: SQ, once in building, stay to the RIGHT, when entering pre-show area, follow handicapped signs to designated waiting area, WC
Honey, I Shrunk the Kids Play area: SQ, WC, but must leave WC to use some play areas.
Lights, Motors, Action: Get FP or use SQ; if FP not available, use SQ, WC, but limited capacity
Studio Backlot Tour: SQ, stay to RIGHT (to avoid stairs), WC

Streets of America: No attractions, everything accessible

Commissary Lane: No attractions, everything accessible

Pixar Place
Toy Story Mania: Get FP or use SQ; if FP not available, use SQ, ECV to WC, WC

Animation Courtyard
Journey into Narnia: Prince Caspian (continuous walking tours, not sure this is still open): WC
Walt Disney: One Man's Dream: SQ, WC
Voyage of the Little Mermaid: Get FP or see host for options; SQ if FP not available, WC
Magic of Disney Animation: SQ, CM will tell you which side to be on for entering theater and avoiding stairs, WC
Playhouse Disney - Live on Stage: SQ, WC

Sunset Boulevard
Beauty and the Beast: SQ, WC, most seating is in the rear but there is also accessible seating in the front - be early to get in the front
Rock N Roller Coaster: Get FP or use SQ; if FP not available, use SQ, ECV to WC, must transfer
Twilight Zone Tower of Terror: Get FP or use SQ; if FP not available, use SQ, ECV to WC, transfer required
Fantasmic: SQ, stay to RIGHT, WC; limited capacity
 
I have no idea what they will do. If everyone in line needs the accessible car, I don't see how my taking a 'normal' car would effect anything. If anything, it would move things along for the people behind me as well and provide more waiting room. I guess it just depends on whatever is most convenient based on how the CM's do things. I don't see any reason to take the needed wheelchairs there by transferring or take one of the limited accessible cars when I can walk the few steps to the ride and just use one of the many regular cars.

But, it is a good point. I don't mind waiting either way. I've been to Disney many times and have waited all over the World. It's part of the ride. I'm just glad that I don't have to miss Mr. Potato head. From what I understand, if you do the FP route, you don't go past him.
You are correct that if you use the FP route, you miss Mr. Potato Head.

You are correct that it depends on conditions. We've been on TSM many times and we need to wait for the accessible car, so we see lots of different conditions.

First a little explanation about the ride cars - they come in sort of pods. One 'pod' contains 2 ride cars. Each 'regular' ride car holds 4 people - 2 in the front facing forward and 2 in the back, facing the rear as you board. If the riders hold a small child, they may be able to fit 4 adults and 2 children in each ride car. There are only shooters for 4 people though.
In a 'regular' pod, there are 2 ride cars that each can hold 4. The whole pod can seat 8 people.
This picture shows the wheelchair accessible pod in the accessible boarding area. There is a door to the right of the picture which is the entry to the accessible area - when the line extends out the door back into the queue, the wait is going to be long whether or not you need the wheelchair car.
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A wheelchair accessible pod still has 2 ride cars; the 'back' car (the one on the right of the picture) seats 4 people, but the front car, on the left, only holds 2. The front seat of the front car seats 2, but that car has no back seat. Half of the front seat can be moved out to make a space for a wheelchair to pull in. The back of that car opens up to make a ramp to get the wheelchair in. Because the seat needs to be removed, it does take a few minutes to switch back and forth.
An accessible pod can hold 6 people (5 plus someone using a wheelchair or 6 sitting on seats).

The accessible boarding area is actually a piece of the regular track that can be opened so pods can enter the accessible area or closed (the 'usual' setting) so pods bypass the accessible boarding area and go toward the exit. Guests board and leave the ride at the same point. In the 'regular' boarding area, one set of guests exits to the right of the ride car while another set of guests is entering from the left.
At the accessible boarding area, everyone enters and exits from one side. Wheelchairs, ECVs, mobility devices are left at the accessible boarding area and the ride cars return to exit.

As you enter the accessible boarding area, a CM asks how many are in your party and whether you can transfer or need the wheelchair car. People wait in line roughly based on where they are in line. But, based on what people need and how many are in each party, CMs do different things to make the most efficient use of time and ride cars.
They can pull a ride car out of the regular line up if they have a lot of guests who can board a regular ride car - that car will have people in it because the accessible area is just before the 'regular' exit. Guests already on that ride pod will exit at the accessible area where waiting guests will get on. That 'regular' ride car may stop at the accessible area or the regular area to exit. The place to leave wheelchairs and ECVs is visible and reachable from the regular exit area, so if you can walk a bit, you can get your ECV from either spot.
For someone who can walk a bit, CMs can also have them walk from the accessible boarding area to the 'regular' exit area and get in a ride car there.

CMs will also pull people out of line to fill a ride pod - a party of 5 may be combined with a party of 3 to fill all the seats in a 'regular' pod. Or a party of 2 may be combine with a party of 4 in an accessible pod.

Waiting for a wheelchair car doesn't necessarily mean getting the first wheelchair pod to arrive. If there is a party with the right number of people to fit in that pod and they are ahead of us, they will get on ahead of us.
Because it takes some time to change the wheelchair seat back and forth, they may group wheelchair users together so that 2 wheelchair parties ride one after the other if there are 2 parties who are close in line.
 














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