When will people stop perpetuating the urban name myth

My DD had a kid in her class last year named '*******'. No, I didn't personally see the name, but I've heard it from several people so I don't doubt it's true. He is from another country and I don't think the pronunciation is quite the same, but DD said the teachers have no idea what to do the first day of school when they come to his name on the class roll.

OK, I see it got starred out. Another way of putting it would be dumbdonkey.
 
I spoke with someone recently at work whose last name was "Jelloe". I aaaalmost asked her if any of her kids were named Lemon or Oran... :lmao:
 

Why is orangejello racist?

It isn't. The snopes article mentions people that say "An African-American woman christens her baby with a name based on an embarrassing medical term or bodily part after overhearing one of the nurses use the word."

No one here has mentioned race so it is another example of people jumping to conclusions or looking for something that just isn't there. Many people have to see racism, sexism, or some other ism in everything for what ever reason. It is tiring.

People of any race can be dumb enough to name their child anything in this thread. My contribution, Dewey Butt, was white. Race is also on the death certificate.
 

Since the urban myth was supposed to have started in 1917, it is pretty much guaranteed that parents have used that name since then.

Even the snopes article you quoted say it is addressing how the myth started and that the real Females out there never mind. So, it even acknowledges that there might be real Females (Fuh Mal EEs) and others like Oranjello out there.
 
My DH is in the army and was a recruiter about 6 years ago. He actually enlisted a boy named Limanjello Jackson.

I work now with a woman who is the baby of 14 kids. They were all named after the city they were conceived in. Her name is Scotia (for Nova Scotia) and some of her siblings are: Paris, Brooklyn, Sydney, Brisbane, Aukland, Cruz (santa cruz), Portland, Akita and Samara (russia).
 
Since the urban myth was supposed to have started in 1917, it is pretty much guaranteed that parents have used that name since then.

Even the snopes article you quoted say it is addressing how the myth started and that the real Females out there never mind. So, it even acknowledges that there might be real Females (Fuh Mal EEs) and others like Oranjello out there.

Pardon me, but NONE of this is what that article said. Did you read it or just misunderstand what she was saying? The last 3 paragraphs before the signoff are the entire point...
 
My DH is in the army and was a recruiter about 6 years ago. He actually enlisted a boy named Limanjello Jackson.

I work now with a woman who is the baby of 14 kids. They were all named after the city they were conceived in. Her name is Scotia (for Nova Scotia) and some of her siblings are: Paris, Brooklyn, Sydney, Brisbane, Aukland, Cruz (santa cruz), Portland, Akita and Samara (russia).

I used to work with a guy who had a son named Scott. His full name was Scotland, though, for the exact same reason you mentioned.

Guess DW and I should've named our son Port Orleans or Riverside? :rotfl:
 
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Couldn't agree more. And don't you just love how this thread has turned into just that - people "swearing" that xxxx person is real. :rotfl:

The reality is that such legends have their basis in racism and they are very offensive. Snopes has a good article on it. There are enough bad names out there that are real that people don't need to stoop to racism to get a laugh.

And so "Snopes" has met every single person on the face of the earth and can attest that these names are all urban legends? Ummm....Don't think so. Not all people are named William, Ann, Michael, Sarah, etc. I guess Snopes would swear Washateria is a made up name (and probably racist to boot) and that DH and I never met her at Astroworld, but we did. Why her mother chose THAT name is her business. Why a lot of Texans seem to be fond of Justin Case is a mystery. Why my childhood friend's student was named after a venereal disease may never be known. (In fairness, it was pronounced differently.) She never had the nerve to ask the WHY of it all, but was merely grateful it WAS pronounced differently, so she didn't have to call him by THAT name every day.

Remember the kids from a few years ago named Adolf Hitler and Aryan Nation? Who would have believed that? But it was true. When some people name their kids, they can be creative...and sometimes creative runs to creepy and right on to cruel.

If we're going to talk about what's offensive, I think it's offensive to call so many posters liars.
 
Pardon me, but NONE of this is what that article said. Did you read it or just misunderstand what she was saying? The last 3 paragraphs before the signoff are the entire point...

First of all, the snopes article does not even mention Lemon and Orangejello. It is discussing the folklore of some funny names, mostly names that are derived from human diseases or female parts.

The examples they specifically discuss are Eczema, ******, Urine and Female.

The premise of the article is that it is legend that these names were derived from people of color or southerners who were portrayed as too ignorant to know the difference. The e-mails that portray the mother as dumb or ignorant is the racist or regional part. Not the name itself.

It does go on to say that there is no folklore to the people who do actually name their children these names such as Female, knowing fully what they are doing.

It is the folklore of how the names came about, not the actual names. It is the folklore of the e-mails portraying women as dumb for not knowing why they named the children these names, not that the names themselves are racist or regional.

The actual Snopes article you quoted:

Funny Names

Legend: An African-American woman christens her baby with a name based on an embarrassing medical term or bodily part after overhearing one of the nurses use the word.

Examples:

[Case, 1917]

A young woman in Central Park overheard an old negress call to a pickaninny: "Come heah, Exy, Exy!"

"Excuse me, but that's a queer name for a baby, aunty?"

"Dat ain't her full name," explained the old woman with pride; "dat's jes' de pet name I calls for short. Dat child got a mighty grand name. Her ma picked it out in a medicine book — yessum, de child's full name is Eczema."


[Pezzi, 1998]

Betty had just given birth to a daughter, and she was discussing the choice of a name with her roommate, who was equally clueless. Mulling over the possibilities, Betty considered a word that she'd recently heard on the obstetric ward. "******, that be a nice name . . . hmm, I think I'll call her '******.'" Admittedly a euphonious word, the two women agreed that "******" would indeed be a nice name for a girl.

When the time came to relay the name choice to one of the hospital's personnel, the shocked worker exclaimed, "Uh, you can't name her '******'!" To which the Mom replied, "I be her mother, and I can name her whatever I wants to!" This prompted the worker to explain just what a ****** was, but the Mom was skeptical. "That ain't a ****** — it's a cootchie!"


[Collected via e-mail, 2004]

This young woman brought her child into Children's Hospital for a routine check-up. On the records, the nurse saw that the child's first name was Urine (pronounced Urin-ie). Not wanting to be rude, but wanting to know why this woman would name her child this, the nurse asked her how Urine got her name.

The woman explained, "Well, my baby was born premature and had to stay in the special nursery. She was real sick and they didn't know if she would make it. I couldn't decide what to name her, but the nurses said they would pray for her. One day I came in and the nurses had already named her. There was this paper on her incubator that said 'Please save Urine', so I knew that they had named my baby."


Origins: Apologies for the offensive language in the first example. The quote comes from 1917, a time when racist humor was the norm. It stands not only as an early example of the legend, but also as an eloquent expression of the racist message which underpins it. Accept it as a graphic example of what this legend is really about.

Before delving into the legend itself, an entire category of "funny names" has to be dismissed. Key to the legend is the belief that the parents acted unknowingly in bestowing an embarrassing name on the young 'un. Unusual names are not in themselves folkloric; what makes them so are the perceived motivations of the parents.

There's nothing folkloric about a child christened Female (pronounced fuh-MALL-ee) if the parents understood full well what they were doing when they ponied up with the name. A classic example of non-folkloric use is found in the 1981 movie pilot of the TV series Cagney & Lacey. A prostitute gives her name to the desk sergeant but, as he's not familiar with fuh-MALL-ee, he asks her to spell it. "F-E-M-A-L-E," she offers. "That's Female," he says in disbelief. "Yeah, well my parents had twelve kids," responds the woman. "By the time they got to me they'd run out of names."

A properly folkloric version of the fuh-MALL-ee tale would have it that the parents saw the "name" on the baby's bracelet. Not being able to read well, they sounded it out badly, it fell on their ears prettily, and thus Baby was named. Alternatively, they interpreted what was written on the bracelet as the hospital having already named their child and the matter now being out of their hands.

Real-life fuh-MALL-ees are beside the point; what matters is how they came by the name.

As the 1917 example shows, this legend has been around for dogs' years. It now exists in two slightly different forms — the parents either misread a word, coming up with an unusual but pleasant-sounding pronunciation of same, or a member of the medical staff is overheard to properly pronounce the word, the parents think it pretty, and thus choose to stick the youngster with it.

Names reported to have resulted from misinterpretations of the written word:

******* (ah-SHOL-ee)
******** (cla-TORE-us)
Enamel (EE-na-mull)
Female (fuh-MALL-ee)
Gonorrhea (gu-NO-ree-ah)
Lemon Jello (le-MON-juh-lo)
No Smoking (NAWS-mo king)
Orange Jello (or-AN-juh-lo)
Pajama (PAH-ja-mah)
****head (shaw-THAYD)
Syphilis (suh-PHYL-lis)
Testicles (TESS-tic-clees)
Urine (u-RIN-ee)
****** (va-GEE-na)

Names reported to have resulted from overhearing an unusual but flowery-sounding term:

Chlamydia (kla-MID-e-ah)
Eczema (EX-suh-ma)
Latrine (la-TREEN)
Meconium (muh-CONE-knee-um)
Placenta (pla-SENT-a)
Urea (YUR-ee-ah)
****** (va-JAI-na)

Either way, the tale swings on the fictitious parents' lack of education and how this leads them to choose a totally unsuitable name.

This legend is not strictly told of African-Americans; white Southerners are also sometimes cast in the starring role.

Examining the 1917 example again, the proud Black grandmother and her daughter are seen as attempting to exceed their presumed place and are punished for this act. Rather than stick to her own, the daughter has chosen an important-sounding name for her child. Her "uppityness" is duly rewarded by the joke being on her and her family.

Legend of the "kid named Eczema" ilk attempt to reinforce belief in the rightness of racism or regionalism. Just as parables were used in the Bible to communicate in a simple-to-understand form a behavior thought worthy of emulation, racist legends try to drive home the point that the looked-down-upon group is inherently inferior. Presenting the moral in the form of a story makes it easier to absorb.

Racism and/or regionalism play a part in a number of legends. (See our Password page for another such representative tale.) The more stories like these are told, the more the message of them is worked into the fabric of the people exposed to them. Hearing the "kid named Eczema" story again and again makes it that much more easy to think of Blacks as less intelligent.

Was there ever a mother so stupid as to name her kid Eczema without realizing what the name meant? Probably not. But because the story fits in with what's already believed about the shortcomings of whichever group the mother is supposedly part of, the tale will be re-told and believed anew.

Barbara "undercurrent review" Mikkelson

Some Legendary Names:

Nosmo King
[Anderson, 1924]

Many ministers could, from personal experience, tell of strange names bestowed upon infants at their baptism, but few could equal the following story recently told by the Bishop of Sodor and Man. A mother who was on the lookout for a good name for her child saw on the door of a building the word "Nosmo". It attracted her, and she decided that she would adopt it. Some time later, passing the same building, she saw the name "King" on another door. She thought the two would sound well together, and so the boy was baptized, "Nosmo King Smith". On her way home from the church where the baptism had taken place, she passed the building again. The two doors on which she had seen the names were now closed together, and what she read was not "Nosmo King," but "No Smoking".
There was a Nosmo King, but it was a matter of a grown man adopting an unusual stage name, not of an infant being saddled with his mother's stupidity. H. Vernon Watson (b. 1886, d. 1949) was a well-known British music hall artist before World War I. In the early 1920s, Watson did a "blackface" bit under the fanciful name of Nosmo King. The routine went over so well that by 1925 Watson was billed as his onstage persona, Nosmo King.

Ima Hogg

Ima Hogg was real, but not her rumored sister, Ura. Ima (b. 1882 d. 1975) was the daughter of James Steven Hogg, Governor of Texas.

Mark Lemongello

A pitcher for the Houston Astros in the 1970s.

Shanda Lear

Daughter of Bill and Moya Lear (of Lear Jet fame).

Trout Fishing in America

In April 1994 Peter Eastman Jr. changed his name to Trout Fishing In America. The 17-year-old from Santa Barbara figured it would be cool to name himself after a book he liked. Rumor has it he goes by "Trout". Ronly Bonly Jones
[Reader's Digest, 1958]

My friend R.B. Jones doesn't have a first or middle name — only the initials R.B. This unusual arrangement was never a problem until he went to work for a government agency. The government is not accustomed to initialed employees, so R.B. had a lot of explaining to do. On the official forms for the payroll and personnel departments, his name was carefully entered as R (Only) B (Only) Jones.

Sure enough, when R.B. got his pay check, it was made out to Ronly Bonly Jones.


[Cerf, 1959]

There turned up in the Navy a recruit who had neither a first name nor a middle name: just Jones — plus the initials R.B. The government took a dim view of this unusual nomenclature and entered his name officially as R (only) B (only) Jones. Sure enough, when RB's first pay check came rolling in, it was made out to Ronly Bonly Jones!
This name is likely apocryphal although many have claimed their fathers knew someone similarly afflicted (i.e., Jonly Bonly Stuart, Bonly Nonly Jones, Nonly Monly Jones, Gonly Bonly Jones).

Last updated: 4 May 2007

The URL for this page is http://www.snopes.com/racial/language/names.asp

Urban Legends Reference Pages © 1995-2010 by Barbara and David P. Mikkelson.
This material may not be reproduced without permission.
snopes and the snopes.com logo are registered service marks of snopes.com.
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Anderson, Stewart. Sparks of Laughter.
New York: Spruce Printing Co., 1924 (p. 145).

Case, Carleton B. A Little Nonsense.
Chicago: Shrewesbury Publishing Co., 1917 (p. 15).

Cerf, Bennett. The Laugh's on Me.
Garden City, NY: Doubleday & Co., 1959 (p. 314).

Pezzi, Kevin M.D. Believe It or Not! True Emergency Room Stories.
Canada: Transcope, 1998. ; ISBN 0-00-9655606-2-7 (p. 146).

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I interviewed a girl named Key-ah (you guessed it, pronounced Key dash ah) for a job. The girl was 18 when I interviewed her 5 years ago. I also went to high school with a Mighty Fine and an Adam Adams
 
First of all, the snopes article does not even mention Lemon and Orangejello. It is discussing the origin of SOME funny names, mostly names that are derived from human diseases or female parts.

The examples they specifically discuss are Eczema, ******, Urine and Female.

The premise of the article is that it is legend that these names were derived from people of color who were portrayed as too ignorant to know the difference. The e-mails that portray the mother as dumb or ignorant is the racist part. Not the name itself.

It does go on to say that there is no folklore to the people who do actually name their children Female these names knowing fully what they are doing.

The article definitely does mention those names. I can't say anything else about it. It's hard to engage people who just don't get it.
 
I also went to high school with a Mighty Fine and an Adam Adams

Oh Oh!! I went to school with a girl named Penny Nichols! :laughing:
 
The article definitely does mention those names. I can't say anything else about it. It's hard to engage people who just don't get it.

There is no argument that the urban legend of how the names came to be can be traced to early racist or regional humor.

However, to believe that because the urban legend of how the names came to be is racist means that absolutely no parent has ever named their child one of these names is the one being gullible.

Not the person who believes that there are parents out there who are crazy enough to name their child Orangejello.

The person calling people liars, calling them gullible and to accuse them of perpetuating an urban myth because they claim to know people named Orangejello or one of the other names is the person putting their head in the sand.
 
The article definitely does mention those names. I can't say anything else about it. It's hard to engage people who just don't get it.

While the article did mention those names, Goofy is also right when she says the article's premise is that the folkore behind the stories is what may be racist, not the names themselves, which is what you implied in a previous post.

There are plenty of people who name their kids the strangest things (Moon Unit, Dweezil, Moxie Crimefighter, Jermajesty, Zowie) and the rest of us can only wonder why.
 
The other issue is a situation of someone who is very drugged up when presented with birth certificate paperwork and makes a goofy mistake on it. A lot of people believe that once you submit a birth certificate you cannot change the name without going through the courts, so they just assume that the child will have to live with it.

My mother actually did this. My middle name can be both an adjective and a noun depending upon how it is spelled, and my doped-up mother spelled the adjective, which the nurse dutifully wrote down. My dad signed the application without reading it. (You can tell on the original that my mother's name is signed in my Dad's handwriting.) No one ever noticed the mistake until I went to register for college. They insisted that I start using the spelling that is on my BC. Since there is no difference in pronunciation, and since it's my middle name, I live with it.
 
I would like to know how the OP absolutely KNOWS that these are urban myths???

What proof do you have that these names do NOT exisit?
 
What a funny conversation this turned out to be.

"There is no person named Orangello, it an urban myth"

"Really, I personally know someone named Orangello"

"No you don't, they don't exist and if you say you do you are only perpetuating racism."

The DIS never ceases to amaze me.
 
What a funny conversation this turned out to be.

"There is no person named Orangello, it an urban myth"

"Really, I personally know someone named Orangello"

"No you don't, they don't exist and if you say you do you are only perpetuating racism."

The DIS never ceases to amaze me.

:rotfl:

Yeah, I didn't quite get it when this whole conversation took that turn with "racism".
 












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