When The Levees Broke: A Requiem in Four Parts

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Have you watched it? It was on HBO last night and on Monday night. It has four parts to it with 2 shown on each night. About 2 hours and fifteen minutes a piece. It was....I don't know....this was my first time actually seeing it in depth like that. It was so sad. Thought provoking.
 
I recorded it and will be watching it shortly. Wonder why it didn't get a lot of press? Could it be the subject matter, or the director? Doesn't matter to me- I saw Bowling for Columbine.
 
From what I've heard, I haven't seen it yet, but the bulk of the blame goes on the goverment with not much mention of personal responsibility. Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Also, Spike Lee believes the levy in the 9th ward was blown up.
 

All four acts will be seen Tuesday, Aug. 29 (8:00 p.m.-midnight), the first anniversary of Hurricane Katrina. Read more.
 
Charade said:
Also, Spike Lee believes the levy in the 9th ward was blown up.

Lots of New Orleanians believe this also. This rumor actually started in 1965 with Hurricane Besty. People have even claimed that they heard the explosions.
 
I watched two hours of it so far. It's still sobering to see what happened in our own country.
 
Great information in the show.
Charade, might oughta give it a looksee. :rolleyes1
 
I'm dying to see it. It's advertised and talked about A LOT on Tom Joyner's show. Some people from my station have seen parts of it and are taking it apart based on the logistics, documentary maker vs documentary makers. We're producing a show for the anniversary of Katrina also so I guess they're NOT objective!
 
Muffin said:
Lots of New Orleanians believe this also. This rumor actually started in 1965 with Hurricane Besty. People have even claimed that they heard the explosions.
It's not true in 1965 or 2005, but there is a historical precedent in 1927

Wiki - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Mississippi_Flood_of_1927

As the flood approached New Orleans, Louisiana, 30 tons of dynamite were set off on the levee at Caernarvon, Louisiana and sent 7,000 m³/s (250,000 ft³/s) of water pouring through. This prevented New Orleans from experiencing serious damage, but flooded much of St. Bernard Parish. As it turned out, the destruction of the Caernarvon levee was unnecessary; several major levee breaks well upstream of New Orleans, including one the day after the demolitions, made it impossible for flood waters seriously to threaten the city.
 
sodaseller said:
Tried. It doesn't work.

Cute.

sodaseller said:
Way to inject politics into a nonpolitical thread

The documentary is essentially about the failure of (mostly the federal)government. It's got politics pastered all over it. It would nearly impossible to separate the two.

The "buzz" over at IMDB is pretty much the same.
 
Charade said:
Cute.



The documentary is essentially about the failure of (mostly the federal)government. It's got politics pastered all over it. It would nearly impossible to separate the two.

The "buzz" over at IMDB is pretty much the same.

Speakin' of failure, ever googled it? :rotfl2:
 
I watched all four parts of the documentary. I thought it was put together very well.

From the preview items that I had seen for it, it was supposed to center around what happen to the people in the areas of the country that Katrina affected but mostly New Orleans.

It took the viewer from the warnings through what aftermath there has been up to now explaining along the way what was going on from the point of view of a lot of people that lived through it. I say "up to now" because the aftermath will really last for how ever long the people that lived through it are alive.

From what I know about New Orleans (which is not all that much to tell the truth), it seemed to have a good representation of the of the population speaking about how they delt with and are dealing with the horrible situation. They had people of every shape, size, ethnic background and "income level" (for lack of better vocabulary) telling their stories.

There did seem to be quite a lot of government bashing involved. Well diserved, I would bash the goverment too if I lived through what they have and what they are still dealing with. The lack of compassion the government and Insurance Companies are still showing to a HUGE area of this country just astonishes to me.

I would really love to watch it again, there is always something that I miss when I watch documentaries for the first time.

Edited to add: I could have lived without seeing the dead bodies of people and animals but I can also understand the impact that those images make and I am assuming that is why Spike included those images in the documentary.
 
OK, don't take it from people here... Read what someone that was interviewed and appears in the film thinks of the final product:
With regard to the notion that the levees were “blown up” intentionally… I don’t mind the inclusion of the conspiracy theories, in the sense that it’s good to know how many people believe that, but Spike definitely didn’t emphasize the debunking of those theories. His treatment was hardly evenhanded, clearly leaving the impression that these theories are plausible, if not likely. A bit more actual scientific commentary on the plausbility of the theories, and alternative explanations for the “explosions,” would have been appreciated.

One thing I did appreciate was the interview with the guy who emphasized that Katrina was Category 1 or “Category 2, tops” when it hit New Orleans. That’s absolutely true, and it’s important for people to realize. (More about that here.) I wish Spike had taken it to the next level and pointed out how much worse Katrina could have been, which is crucial to understanding what could potentially happen in the future, and also crucial to understanding how badly Nagin screwed up, as I wrote here:

As horrible as the catastrophe has been, please realize that it actually could have been far worse. What occurred was not the long-feared “worst-case scenario,” which involved not a levee breach equalizing the water level in Lake Ponchartrain and “Lake New Orleans,” but rather a storm surge over-topping the levees and causing the water level in “Lake New Orleans,” hemmed in by the still-intact levees, to rise substantially higher than the water level in the lake. If the storm had wobbled a meteorologically insignificant 20 or 30 miles to the west, and/or had not weakened from a Category 5 to a Category 4 at the last minute, that scenario would have occurred, and instead of a slowly developing 10-20 foot flood, New Orleans would have suffered a rapidly developing 30-40 foot flood. (Jackson Square would have been underwater, whereas in the real-world scenario it remained high and dry.) The whole thing would have happened Monday morning, and at the same time as the city was rapidly and massively flooding, the devastating winds that demolished the Mississippi coastline would have been tearing New Orleans apart instead. All of those attics where people took shelter would have been either submerged or shattered to bits. The French Quarter would have been swamped, instead of mostly surviving the flood. Second-floor generators in hospitals might well have drowned. Bottom line, there would be a lot fewer refugees and a lot more corpses.

Fewer refugees and more corpses means less opportunity for Nagin to blame the feds for their slow response (blame which is justified, but which Nagin unjustifiably uses to deflect even more richly deserved blame off himself), and attention would instead have focused, quite rightly, on the utter inadequacy of the evacuation. As I wrote here, “It is frankly mind-boggling to me that people defend the lateness and inadequacy of the evacuation. If Katrina has been as bad as she almost was, tens of thousands people would have died.”

P.S. What about the school buses? Why hasn’t Spike shown us the school buses?

P.P.S. The criticisms of Bush and the federal government are largely justified… but the notion that Bush should have set foot on the ground in New Orleans is completely ridiculous. That would have totally disrupted the rescue operations! The Secret Service would have had to swarm all over New Orleans and the police department would have been completely diverted from its mission of saving lives and preserving law and order! And the Condi Rice stuff is just stupid. She’s the Secretary of State; she has no role whatsoever in domestic disaster relief. The only reason Spike Lee is focusing on her is because she’s black. Honestly, it’s racist.

Also: Harry Belafonte is an idiot. But if you’re going to include his inane ranting about how Bush doesn’t care about poor people and black people, where was the alternative viewpoint saying that it was incompetence, not malice? I know Spike had footage available of someone saying that, because I said it. He just chose not to use it. So Belafonte’s @#$% goes unrebutted, the ridiculous criticisms of Rice go unrebutted, Nagin’s comment about “where are the buses” goes unrebutted (the obvious rebuttal being, you let them drown, Mr. Mayor)… yet when people criticize Nagin, it’s rebutted by Nagin and others. Very interesting editorial choices, Spike.

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btass said:
From what I know about New Orleans (which is not all that much to tell the truth), it seemed to have a good representation of the of the population speaking about how they delt with and are dealing with the horrible situation. They had people of every shape, size, ethnic background and "income level" (for lack of better vocabulary) telling their stories.

There did seem to be quite a lot of government bashing involved. Well diserved, I would bash the goverment too if I lived through what they have and what they are still dealing with. The lack of compassion the government and Insurance Companies are still showing to a HUGE area of this country just astonishes to me.

I couldn't agree more. I was glad I watched it. It gave me a glimpse into just how bad things were (are) for those affected and how little the government did. Amazing that could happen in this country to our own people. :guilty:
 
I watched the entire thing and am appalled. This should be mandatory viewing less the graphic language for high schoolers. We need to learn from our mistakes as not to make them again.

I believe, for me one of the most disturbing portions was the quote from Barbara Bush stating many victims of Katrina were now better off. It definitely shows the ignorance from which the president comes.
 
CrazedDisFan said:
I watched the entire thing and am appalled. This should be mandatory viewing less the graphic language for high schoolers. We need to learn from our mistakes as not to make them again.

I believe, for me one of the most disturbing portions was the quote from Barbara Bush stating many victims of Katrina were now better off. It definitely shows the ignorance from which the president comes.

So you believe that it was 100 percent accurate? No bias?
 
I haven't seen it yet but I wonder what is Spike's explanation is for the 17th St. Canal levee break. My friend's house backed to the 17th St. Canal (she lived on Bellaire Dr.) and they lost everything and so did the rest of the people in the Lakeview area. This was an upper middle class neighborhood.
 
Charade said:
So you believe that it was 100 percent accurate? No bias?


Explain where you think the bias is?

Have you been to New Orleans lately?

I was there in February. I saw half of this documentary. The feelings of the people in this program match what I got from the people I spoke to in NO. Including people who used to support the president 100%, they suddenly felt betrayed and angered. I found this documentary to be very acurate.

I went to a big Mardi Gras Ball and the sentiment was very anti-Fema:

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