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'I can't believe you people want everyone to be tolerant of other races, religions, and sexual orientation but won't tolerate bigotry and hatred! Hypocrites! You should be tolerant of my intolerance!'

Did anyone here actually say that or is that you assuming?

Not agreeing that we should allow these groups to have the power they do and thinking the way they do is so far apart from each other that your statement doesn’t even fit.
 
So did snowflakes make up that slavery existed? My history teacher way back in middle school must have been one of those pesky snowflakes.

Where do you even get that from what the poster said? Not even close to what they said.
 
Where do you even get that from what the poster said? Not even close to what they said.
Tell me what they were trying to say then. I stated a fact that is indeed a fact and they said 'not history that has been snowflaked'
 

No but anything invented or made during that era could be racist? That's insane. And you tied that together...
also,A person of color today has no more connection to slavery as this white guy from Ohio..that ancestors fought to free the slaves....yet since the union army was around during slavery...it too is racist? Im Irish, but i have no connection to the IRA? Just as no white person today or black person has a connection to slavery...unless of course you are colin
There was slavery...the US ended it. The confederacy was succession....There is nothing connecting the US to slavery....only a succeeded state of states. The Confederacy.

I'm very proud to be Southern. I love my heritage, the people, the traditions, the food, the music, the stories, the songs...

I'm also very defensive of the South. If you're not from here, you don't get it.

Just because a black person today may not have actual connections to slavery does not mean that black people today do not still have very real connections to oppression w/ roots very close to the Civil War. The Civil Rights Movement was not that long ago. Racism didn't end w/ the Civil War. Hate didn't end w/ the Civil War.

I'm white. I cannot say what it feels like to be a black person, because I don't know. I don't know what it feels like to have slavery in my ancestry, to have grandparents that weren't allowed to drink from the same water fountains as the white people. I don't know how that feels or how it reverberates down through the generations.

I can imagine any sign of white supremacy is very much looked upon w/ loathing, anger, &, even, fear. And, because of that, once I learn about something like the "okay" sign, I try to do better.

I think Robert E. Lee was a gentleman w/ a lot of wisdom & honor But I don't fly or display a Confederate flag & never will. Some people say, "Heritage not hate," but, for some, that flag will never be anything but a symbol of hate. I don't get to say that it's not really hate, because I, while I share history with black southerners, I don't have the same ancestry. Last weekend, we were driving through north Georgia along some back roads to get to an apple farm. Along one stretch, I counted about 5 Confederate flags on a few different homes & businesses. I said to my husband, "If I were a different color, I definitely wouldn't feel welcome around here," & I felt shame. If you know that flag stands for something much, much different for others, why fly it? It's just not very kind or gracious to me.

A couple of months ago, I was eating brunch in a lovely new restaurant in our town in an area that's been "gentrified". The restaurant boasts "modern Appalachian" cuisine. There was something about the restaurant that I found offensive to actual Appalachian people... I don't know... I just didn't feel comfortable... I felt like the restaurant owners were trying to capitalize on something that wasn't authentic to them. Apple butter was served w/ their fancy pancake dish, but the owners & chef probably didn't know or understand about the Appalachian grannies making apple butter in their little kitchens over their old stoves for decades & decades...

Anyway, while at the restaurant, I was curious about some of the local history as it's located next to a very well-known bridge. I grew up here & have been here my whole life. Up until that morning in the restaurant, I didn't know that, where this new restaurant & attached boutique hotel is now, used to be a "blacks only" area & that, on the bridge, there had been 2 separate lynchings of black men.

My mother's family comes from poor, country dairy farms in Alabama, & my father's family comes from poor dirt farms in north Georgia. We didn't have slaves. But, still, I'm connected to that history - but in a very different way that a black person is.

And, as an aside, while slavery was a big part of the Civil War, it was not all of the Civil War. The Civil War was about states' individual rights. The North benefited very much from slave labor. Those Union soldiers weren't heroes. Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves to end the war - it was a tactical move.

Slavery is an ugly part of United States' history - not just Southern history.

(Oh, & the Betsy Ross flag being racist is absolutely ridiculous.)

And, after I typed all this out, I was really hesitated to post it because there are some on this thread that are so quick to label people racists just because we may think about something or look at something a little differently or may not be quick to jump right in w/ the popular agreement. But I decided to go ahead & post it because I feel strongly about this issue, especially as it relates to southern history.
 
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Tell me what they were trying to say then. I stated a fact that is indeed a fact and they said 'not history that has been snowflaked'

They were talking about the flag and even mentioned slavery.

No one is saying it didn’t exist. Just the usual twisting and turning of words.
 
They were talking about the flag and even mentioned slavery.

No one is saying it didn’t exist. Just the usual twisting and turning of words.
You've completely lost me. Was the flag created during a time of slavery or not?
 
I'm very proud to be Southern. I love my heritage, the people, the traditions, the food, the music, the stories, the songs...

I'm also very defensive of the South. If you're not from here, you don't get it.

Just because a black person today may not have actual connections to slavery does not mean that black people today do not still have very real connections to oppression w/ roots very close to the Civil War. The Civil Rights Movement was not that long ago. Racism didn't end w/ the Civil War. Hate didn't end w/ the Civil War.

I'm white. I cannot say what it feels like to be a black person, because I don't know. I don't know what it feels like to have slavery in my ancestry, to have grandparents that weren't allowed to drink from the same water fountains as the white people. I don't know how that feels or how it reverberates down through the generations.

I can imagine any sign of white supremacy is very much looked upon w/ loathing, anger, &, even, fear. And, because of that, once I learn about something like the "okay" sign, I try to do better.

I think Robert E. Lee was a gentleman w/ a lot of wisdom & honor But I don't fly or display a Confederate flag & never will. Some people say, "Heritage not hate," but, for some, that flag will never be anything but a symbol of hate. I don't get to say that it's not really hate, because I, while I share history with black southerners, I don't have the same ancestry. Last weekend, we were driving through north Georgia along some back roads to get to an apple farm. Along one stretch, I counted about 5 Confederate flags on a few different homes & businesses. I said to my husband, "If I were a different color, I definitely wouldn't feel welcome around here," & I felt shame. If you know that flag stands for something much, much different for others, why fly it? It's just not very kind or gracious to me.

A couple of months ago, I was eating brunch in a lovely new restaurant in our town in an area that's been "gentrified". The restaurant boasts "modern Appalachian" cuisine. There was something about the restaurant that I found offensive to actual Appalachian people... I don't know... I just didn't feel comfortable... I felt like the restaurant owners were trying to capitalize on something that wasn't authentic to them. Apple butter was served w/ their fancy pancake dish, but the owners & chef probably didn't know or understand about the Appalachian grannies making apple butter in their little kitchens over their old stoves for decades & decades...

Anyway, while at the restaurant, I was curious about some of the local history as it's located next to a very well-known bridge. I grew up here & have been here my whole life. Up until that morning in the restaurant, I didn't know that, where this new restaurant & attached boutique hotel is now, used to be a "blacks only" area & that, on the bridge, there had been 2 separate lynchings of black men.

My mother's family comes from poor, country dairy farms in Alabama, & my father's family comes from poor dirt farms in north Georgia. We didn't have slaves. But, still, I'm connected to that history - but in a very different way that a black person is.

And, as an aside, while slavery was a big part of the Civil War, it was not all of the Civil War. The Civil War was about states' individual rights. The North benefited very much from slave labor. Those Union soldiers weren't heroes. Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves to end the war - it was a tactical move.

Slavery is an ugly part of United States' history - not just Southern history.

(Oh, & the Betsy Ross flag being racist is absolutely ridiculous.)

And, after I typed all this out, I was really hesitated to post it because there are some on this thread that are so quick to label people racists just because we may think about something or look at something a little differently or may not be quick to jump right in w/ the popular agreement. But I decided to go ahead & post it because I feel strongly about this issue, especially as it relates to southern history.
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Yes as was the Declaration of Independence. And many other things. That doesn’t equate to anyone saying it didn’t exist.
The one replying to me in this thread certainly implied it by saying the fact I presented was just an agenda and the history was snowflaked, whatever that means.
 
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We need to get back to the days of when we can laugh at each other. Joke at each other. And flat out make fun of each other. Now. All is so scared of offending. Go watch the old Dean Martin roasts with Don Rickles. That’s freedom. Those days will return. We all had fun at each other’s expense. And freedom is far more important than someone’s feelings.
 
Institutionalized racism is long gone. Imho. The only racist left that have a reasonable percentage of the population is the radical left. They only see race.
The so called white movement is so irrelevant it’s not even worth talking about. Its focusing on the most insignificant population number. While the radical left has decided they can re write history to their agenda.
I'd argue that the 'white movement' is a whole lot more relevant to the world than anything a radical left is doing. Most mass shootings are committed by self described white nationalists. I'd much rather have some people pointing out the wrongs of the past than get shot out in public for no reason other than I was in the wrong place. At least you can ignore the first group if you want.
 
I'd argue that the 'white movement' is a whole lot more relevant to the world than anything a radical left is doing. Most mass shootings are committed by self described white nationalists. I'd much rather have some people pointing out the wrongs of the past than get shot out in public for no reason other than I was in the wrong place. At least you can ignore the first group if you want.
Almost every mass shooting has one thing in common. They all should have been in a nut house. Everyone knew they were crazy. But the powers to be felt they could be “helped” with over medication and group talk.
I would also argue the loss of meaning and the loss of a higher power leads to that more than anything else. And we all know who took that out of schools. I mean the horror of believing in the value of life and prayer. Also a massive lack of discipline and tough love. Now all the kids are told life is fair. Till they see it isn’t. And can’t cope.
 
Institutionalized racism is long gone. Imho. The only racist left that have a reasonable percentage of the population is the radical left. They only see race.
The so called white movement is so irrelevant it’s not even worth talking about. Its focusing on the most insignificant population number. While the radical left has decided they can re write history to their agenda.
Holy crap, I can't even with this level of ignorance.
 
Institutionalized racism is long gone. Imho. The only racist left that have a reasonable percentage of the population is the radical left. They only see race.
The so called white movement is so irrelevant it’s not even worth talking about. Its focusing on the most insignificant population number. While the radical left has decided they can re write history to their agenda.
As I post from the beach at the moment, I totally agree with you.

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Where is the racism? I don't see any racism.
 
Well this went a bit beyond the ok sign.

Racism exists. Sadly it exists in every region, every state in the US. It exists all over the world. Some places have degrees of racism that most don’t understand-like the young worker who worked in extreme heat with long sleeves so he wouldn’t turn darker from the sun and be disowned by his own family. And it’s wrong. I never thought that would even been a debate.

But the fact that it exists doesn’t mean that we should continue to give power to those that insist on continually getting attention by coming up with new things to take from every day life and convert to something representing hate.
 
Draw a swastika (previously a symbol of good luck) and see how that goes over with people.

It's not just "previously" a symbol of good luck, it sometimes still is. Have you ever been to an Indian wedding? I was at one recently, swastikas all over the place. For good luck. No one accused the bride and groom of being nazis. There were some surprised people, but after it was explained to them it was a symbol of good luck, those people dealt with it. I guess they could have been triggered, took out their cellphones to shame everyone and then left all offended, but I can only assume most reasonable people can and do look at intent.

So in this instance, the character's moves do look suspicious and he was possibly racist and using the symbol for that purpose. Where I am no longer onboard is the extreme step of "ergo, anyone who uses that perfectly innocuous symbol must be racist too."

This thread is the first time I'm hearing about the OK gesture being offensive. This website is also where I first learned the word "female" was supposed to be offensive. I will continue to use words, gestures, symbols, that are authentic to me. I have no problem using that gesture or saying female. If anyone wants to waste their time calling me racist and / or misogynist (even though I am a biracial female), have the heck at it.
 
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