When do you think the border will reopen?

[MoreTravels]

I'm not at the point where I feel throwing thousands of dollars away is warranted over the risk of catching something I could just as easily get from the grocery store, mall, camping, zoo, protest or anywhere else which is currently open here. I've already been told I cannot get the money back for this trip.

If...IF it's proven that there are increased cases IN the parks/resort then I will cancel. But as of now there has not been any evidence of that. I feel very safe with what Disney has implemented as do many others who currently work and are visiting there. I'm traveling to Polynesian and staying put except for the park days, keeping a secure mask on and be equipped with my own sanitizer, socially distancing as much as humanly possible. I will not be hopping all over Florida. When I return, I have no work until the earliest November. As mentioned, lock me up in quarantine for 14 days+. I'm fine with that.

Hopefully the next 50+ days sees improvement. The moment Walt Disney World announces rooted cases, I'll pull the plug and eat the cost. If the parks close again or they ground flights, I'll have an excuse to be allowed to move my points to a later date.

It's a pandemic in more ways than one and one of those is misinformation.

DVC allows free cancellation up to 30 days before the trip. They are also offering point banking beyond deadline at this time. If you speak to the owner where you rent those points from, they might allow free refund because they don’t lose points before 30 days. This means you have until August to speak to that person before everything is too late to cancel.

 

[mshanson3121]

@Retro Magic Do you have health insurance that covers COVID or moreso traveling to a country that has a level 4 do not travel advisory?

Nope. No one does.

 

[mshanson3121]

I'm not at the point where I feel throwing thousands of dollars away is warranted over the risk of catching something I could just as easily get from the grocery store, mall, camping, zoo, protest or anywhere else which is currently open here. I've already been told I cannot get the money back for this trip.

If...IF it's proven that there are increased cases IN the parks/resort then I will cancel. But as of now there has not been any evidence of that. I feel very safe with what Disney has implemented as do many others who currently work and are visiting there. I'm traveling to Polynesian and staying put except for the park days, keeping a secure mask on and be equipped with my own sanitizer, socially distancing as much as humanly possible. I will not be hopping all over Florida. When I return, I have no work until the earliest November. As mentioned, lock me up in quarantine for 14 days+. I'm fine with that.

Hopefully the next 50+ days sees improvement. The moment Walt Disney World announces rooted cases, I'll pull the plug and eat the cost. If the parks close again or they ground flights, I'll have an excuse to be allowed to move my points to a later date.

It's a pandemic in more ways than one and one of those is misinformation.

Would love to know who you booked through that you can't get your money back since almost everyone is offering refunds.

 

[CJK]

We cancelled our September trip. We had booked the Dolphin through Priceline (non-cancellable) back in February, but they graciously refunded us last month due to Covid-19, no problem.

 

[vegs1]

I wonder what the travel insurance situation will be like once the border opens. That may be a huge factor in whether people risk crossing over into the US for more than a couple of days ]QUOTE]

There will be no insurance covering trips while the pandemic is active unless Canada removes their travel advisory for leaving the country. One or two companies may offer something but the majority won’t cover you during an active pandemic or while an advisory not to travel takes place.

 

[vegs1]

Nope. No one does.

Actually, if their trip was booked prior to the pandemic and stay at home order and non-essential travel alert, they may have coverage.

 

[Disneylover99]

I'm not at the point where I feel throwing thousands of dollars away is warranted over the risk of catching something I could just as easily get from the grocery store, mall, camping, zoo, protest or anywhere else which is currently open here. I've already been told I cannot get the money back for this trip.

If...IF it's proven that there are increased cases IN the parks/resort then I will cancel. But as of now there has not been any evidence of that. I feel very safe with what Disney has implemented as do many others who currently work and are visiting there. I'm traveling to Polynesian and staying put except for the park days, keeping a secure mask on and be equipped with my own sanitizer, socially distancing as much as humanly possible. I will not be hopping all over Florida. When I return, I have no work until the earliest November. As mentioned, lock me up in quarantine for 14 days+. I'm fine with that.

Hopefully the next 50+ days sees improvement. The moment Walt Disney World announces rooted cases, I'll pull the plug and eat the cost. If the parks close again or they ground flights, I'll have an excuse to be allowed to move my points to a later date.

It's a pandemic in more ways than one and one of those is misinformation.

Contact tracing in Florida has been abysmal so I wouldn't really expect to know, with any accuracy, if there have been increased cases in the parks or linked to parks.

 

[ottawamom]

I just got off the phone with Air Canada. They said they are flying to Orlando and Ft Lauderdale weekly.

So I supposed we'll be good to go in September as of now. We have slight concerns but overall I feel safer in Disney World than at the grocery store. Hopefully things improve by mid Septmeber. And I have no issue being in quarantine for 14 days when we return and/or being tested.

Agree! For all of you planning on travelling this is the official word from the government of Canada.

Official Global Travel Advisories
Avoid non-essential travel outside of Canada and avoid all cruise ship travel

Just heard this morning on the radio. Non essential travel defined as leisure or pleasure travel. You may find it difficult to get across the border if you say you are going to Disneyworld unless of course you are going to fix their IT issues.

 

[ottawamom]

Another thought. It doesn't matter how much money someone may lose as a result of a cancelled trip. "Life" and a healthy one is far more important. This virus is so far reaching to organs and systems in the body I wouldn't risk a life-long ailement for a holiday.

If you are on here and own DVC I'm thinking you should be able to take the financial hit of one trip. These are not life or death issues. Covid, on the other hand, is.

 

[TammyLynn33]

Brand new DVC owner here Bought last April still have not used , still making monthly payments ( and our dollar isn’t getting any better ) and traveling now isn’t even a thought in my mind or my kids ( kids usually see themselves as invincible but even they get it ) we cancelled August will Probably cancel Christmas . We have slight hope about our May trip .. key word here is slight .
Worse case scenario throw them in RCI.. is that what it’s called ? I don’t even know except the return apparently isn’t great but I just want to feel safe.

I’m more concerned with the “Presidents” latest idea to have hospital data go straight to the whitehouse not the CDC and no longer be public knowledge .. I honestly don’t feel I would ever cross the border again if I have no clue about public health data being hidden away. Just my two cents .

Another thought. It doesn't matter how much money someone may lose as a result of a cancelled trip. "Life" and a healthy one is far more important. This virus is so far reaching to organs and systems in the body I wouldn't risk a life-long ailement for a holiday.

If you are on here and own DVC I'm thinking you should be able to take the financial hit of one trip. These are not life or death issues. Covid, on the other hand, is.

 

[Maddysdaddy]

I'm not at the point where I feel throwing thousands of dollars away is warranted over the risk of catching something I could just as easily get from the grocery store, mall, camping, zoo, protest or anywhere else which is currently open here.

When all of Ontario (I see you’re from Toronto) has about 1,400 active cases and Florida is reporting 15,000+ new cases per day, I’m going with “nope”.

Keep telling yourself what you need to in order to make yourself feel better, but to reference a thirty year old SNL skit, “Denial ain’t just a river in Egypt”.

 

[wdwmom3]

Brand new DVC owner here Bought last April still have not used , still making monthly payments ( and our dollar isn’t getting any better ) and traveling now isn’t even a thought in my mind or my kids ( kids usually see themselves as invincible but even they get it ) we cancelled August will Probably cancel Christmas . We have slight hope about our May trip .. key word here is slight .
Worse case scenario throw them in RCI.. is that what it’s called ? I don’t even know except the return apparently isn’t great but I just want to feel safe.

I’m more concerned with the “Presidents” latest idea to have hospital data go straight to the whitehouse not the CDC and no longer be public knowledge .. I honestly don’t feel I would ever cross the border again if I have no clue about public health data being hidden away. Just my two cents .

Exactly you can’t even trust what is being reported “officially” because both the president and the governor of Florida want to make it look like everything is ok. If you listen to what non political people on the ground are saying (doctors, local public health etc) it’s getting bad and will get worse. People are waiting in line for hours to get tested (so I’m sure lots of people who think they have it aren’t going to even bother) and they are waiting a week or more in some cases to get results. There is absolutely no contact tracing.

 

[pigletto]

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coron...s-data-to-washington-instead-of-cdc-1.5024805
You know , it’s pretty darn ironic to hear people screech about their “freedoms“ when it comes to wearing masks or not travelling etc when things like the above are happening. Rerouting the data pretty much amounts to full scale data suppression to proceed with reopening , no matter the cost. Pretty soon there won’t even be the freedom to know what the real Covid statistics are. How’s that for freedom?

 

[mshanson3121]

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coron...s-data-to-washington-instead-of-cdc-1.5024805
You know , it’s pretty darn ironic to hear people screech about their “freedoms“ when it comes to wearing masks or not travelling etc when things like the above are happening. Rerouting the data pretty much amounts to full scale data suppression to proceed with reopening , no matter the cost. Pretty soon there won’t even be the freedom to know what the real Covid statistics are. How’s that for freedom?

I can't believe it happened! I read the first comment a couple above and thought surely they won't do it - and now here we are.

 

[mshanson3121]

Contact tracing in Florida has been abysmal so I wouldn't really expect to know, with any accuracy, if there have been increased cases in the parks or linked to parks.

And the issue with contact tracing is asymptomatic spreaders. Joe goes to Disney and contracts asymptomatic Covid. He goes home and spreads it to Sally and Bob. But because Joe is asymptomatic, they don't realize it came from Joe. All they know is they haven't been anywhere, or had any exposure to sick people.

 

[Best_Vacation_EVER!]

I can't believe it happened! I read the first comment a couple above and thought surely they won't do it - and now here we are.

This is very alarming --- I think once this occurs that there will be no real reliable numbers coming out of the US (which I understand is the point of them taking this action.) Basically if you can't manage the pandemic, then manage the information.

I really hope the border doesn't open any time in 2020 -- it's hard to see why Canada which has been mostly responsible (except LTC/seniors homes) should risk our citizens when clearly the US response is so blatantly political.

 

[hdrolfe]

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coron...th-covid-19-cases-in-last-two-weeks-1.5024278
I'd prefer they not allow the flights in either. Doesn't seem to be very safe.

I have been hoping to plan a trip for early 2022 and am wondering if even then it will be safe! One thing I find helpful in being hopeful for the future is having a trip to plan, something to look forward to. So I get that people want to take the trips they have booked this year. It just doesn't look like this is going to be safe to do for sometime.

There is anothe article on CTV that it may be another 2 years before this is under control.

Now one thing I see with it running rampant in the US, I guess they'll develop a herd immunity since it seems like they are all going to catch it. Sad that the death toll will be so high. And I will stick with staying safe, away from others, and look forward to a vaccine someday. I thought I heard on the radio this morning that there has been some progress in that regard, but we are still some time away from being able to take advantage of that.

 

[mshanson3121]

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coron...th-covid-19-cases-in-last-two-weeks-1.5024278
I'd prefer they not allow the flights in either. Doesn't seem to be very safe.

I have been hoping to plan a trip for early 2022 and am wondering if even then it will be safe! One thing I find helpful in being hopeful for the future is having a trip to plan, something to look forward to. So I get that people want to take the trips they have booked this year. It just doesn't look like this is going to be safe to do for sometime.

There is anothe article on CTV that it may be another 2 years before this is under control.

Now one thing I see with it running rampant in the US, I guess they'll develop a herd immunity since it seems like they are all going to catch it. Sad that the death toll will be so high. And I will stick with staying safe, away from others, and look forward to a vaccine someday. I thought I heard on the radio this morning that there has been some progress in that regard, but we are still some time away from being able to take advantage of that.

Hate to burst this bubble, but herd immunity isn't likely. There's been little evidence of long term immunity, and many asymptomatic people are producing no antibodies at all.

 

[Pumpkin1172]

And the issue with contact tracing is asymptomatic spreaders. Joe goes to Disney and contracts asymptomatic Covid. He goes home and spreads it to Sally and Bob. But because Joe is asymptomatic, they don't realize it came from Joe. All they know is they haven't been anywhere, or had any exposure to sick people.

We have had a small increase in new cases in Alberta, some cases with no known contact or trace can be found. So we know that there are asymptomatic people spreading it here. Now that Alberta has opened up testing to anyone at anytime, maybe they can find someone who would be an asymptomatic carrier.

I will keep doing what we are doing. Keep our social circles small, wash our hands, wear a mask where social distancing is harder....and probably for me, pick off times when I need to go shopping for items that I might need from malls/stores and other places. I don't want to live in fear of the virus...because at some point, we need to start to live our lives again. I can do small things to help limit my contact outside of my home, but I know that my family needs some normalcy again. Especially with summer here, we can get outside and enjoy the outdoors and do those things we can't do when winter is here. I'll isolate again when it's cold, gross and snowy outside with -30 temps.

 

[quandrea]

I can't believe it happened! I read the first comment a couple above and thought surely they won't do it - and now here we are.

This is horrifying. In regards to dvc—I’m resigned to the notion that for the foreseeable future I’m not using my membership. I’ll take the financial hit willingly—my goal is to get out of this pandemic with my family in tact. Given how poorly things are going down south, I’m wondering if it will come to my selling my beloved dvc. I can’t see using it for a long time. The point will come where owning it will make no sense. It’s a shame and I hope it doesn’t come to selling. My dream was to spend three months of every winter down there with my dvc.