When did teacher bashing become acceptable?

No offense intended Daxx, but why would you bother going to college to earn 12K a year? Cashiers at the grocery stores around here make over $30K and at the old minimum wage (I can't remember the new one) you'd be making almost $11,000.

The starting salary for teachers in my area is close to 40k, but I live in a high cost of living area. The last time I saw a pay chart in the paper was a few years back, and the highest paid teachers were making close to six figures.
 
I, like many of my colleagues, don't want to be martyred. We love what we do and picked our profession knowing how important our job was to every child we touch. We are asking not to be bashed. Is that too much to ask? When did it become acceptable [to some people] to blame the teacher for everything?
 
Not all teachers make great money. Don't base everyone on what your friend earned in her first year. There are loads of teachers who have worked many years and don't earn that kind of money.

Sounds like some teachers need to go back to school and take an Economics class.

or like Sam Kinison said "why do we send food to people that live in the desert? We should send them U-hauls so they can move to where the food is" or in this case the Job or more money.
 
People bash, criticize, whatever you want to call it, because they are uneducated in what the job of the school or the teacher is. There is nothing that you can say that will change their point of view because they think they know how it is just by looking in from the outside. Many people that are quick to criticize teachers/schools had bad experiences in school themselves or with their children. I teach in an urban district and I would love for some of these people to join me for the day. They'd be lucky if they made it to lunch.

Sure I get summers off, I also don't get a bonus at Christmas (I know people that get more for their Christmas bonus than I make in a year) or extra perks that are all too prevalent in the business world. I would love to have a car pick me up when I work late or have my dinner paid for because I have to put in overtime. But then again, I don't even get paid for overtime. Heck, I'd settle for that free cup of coffee that the cops in Dunkin Donuts get when they're on duty. I've also always wondered if my accountant has to buy his own tape, stapler and paperclips?

And no, raises are not guaranteed. A friend of mine is not moving up the salary scale this year because we have to have a masters degree within 5 years of earning tenure and between raising her own 3 children and working she has not had the time nor the money to pay for it. Therefore, she will not move on the guide until she can get her masters.
 

when...................


when teachers who should no longer teach are kept on because of tenure.

when teachers who earn 75K plus a year for only 10 months pay are able to tell their senior students they will not write a letter of reccomendation for them for the college of their choice if they do not side with their views and hold up protests signs for them


when teachers refuse to come back to work because they do not receive 2 days off for a jewish holiday instead of one...they could of taken off one of their numerous personal days ,,,,but why should they ...

when teachers get 100% paid health care benefits paid for and when the township asks them to possibly to contribute $50 per week towards that they go on strike.

I can go on and on and on

in my state and in my town it is ridiculous.
we are paying for teachers who do not teach anymore, put in less that 35 hrs a week and get paid big bucks with free healthcare and a great pension.

Now lets compare that to a non teacher ...in my town and my state....

works 40 plus hours a week for 12 months

no yearly increases
pays at least 20-30 percent of healthcare benefits
no pension
only 2 weeks vacation a year
around 5 days allotted for sick time per year

so....

I tell both my kids to go to college and become teachers.
you have a guaranteed job, annual increases,free health insurance and a pension to boot.


and once again,,, this is my state and in particular my county, my town.

I am sure it is different around the country
 
Do you resent that teacher for crying poverty at earning $12K a year!?

Frankly I can't image why anyone would take a job, especially one that requires a college degree, for 12k. :confused3

But, as another poster said, no one put a gun to their head and made them do it either. I maintain my position--teaching is a job and is no more or less inherently "special" or praiseworthy than any other job.
 
I was talked out of being a teacher by friends and family, but I am happy to say that I have a semester to go before I join the ranks. Now I have taught in preschools, but not the same thing. I think the general public at large will never understand the nature of NCLB act and the pressure we are under to get test scores up which leaves little time to actually teach and spark these little minds (somehow good teachers still get it done).

NCLB - standards for education - problem why? Please enlighten me.
 
I always loved my teachers and have fond memories of them. Teaching is one of the most important careers in the world.
 
There are SO many misconceptions about teacher pay it is just amazing and this post just proves it. Teachers are NOT guaranteed a raise each year and even if they do those raises often don't match cost of living increases so in effect teachers make less each year even with a raise. My last year teaching they ratified a contract for a 1% raise, spread out over 2 years--oh boy were we buying the vacation homes after that :confused3 .

It depends where you teach. Our teachers are paid on a ladder that increases every year plus they negotiated a 3% raise per year in the last contract so I do know what I am saying. I have a friend who has been in the district for 22 yrs teaching kind. she is making $60,000 a year if not more. I'll say it again $60,000 a year for teaching kids 5 hours a day isn't bad and as far as the hours at home I don't think Kindergarten kids are writing research papers that can't be corrected in the prep period they have everyday.
 
I think, though, that teachers invite the bashing when they act as if they have it so much rougher than people in other industries.
I don't think my job is more rough than other professional jobs. What I object to is the people who insist that it's a walk in the park because of all the "time off" we get.
I mean, my husband left the house at 4am this morning. He has worked all day, called me for a quick 5 minute conversation around 5pm. He said "Hi" to the kids -- and is right now being drug to hell and back at a Board meeting. He'll probably get home around 11pm tonight.
My husband has those days too; however, he also has the days when he leaves work at lunchtime to come home and get a start on mowing the grass -- it all sort of evens out for him; plus he earns 3Xs my salary, and that compensation is worth something! Having worked in another professional field before becoming a teacher, I can say with certainty that teaching is a unique job; it's hard to compare it to other professions.
And even that day is nothing at all compared to some jobs. Try being a coal miner that has a mountain fall on your head. Now THAT'S a job to gripe about.
That DOES put ALL our jobs into perspective, doesn't it?
I think that a big part of the problem is that most nonteachers don't know what the education world is really like today. Many figure that since they went to school, they know what goes on . . . I love my job, but it is very frustrating to constantly have to defend my profession. I think we lose many wonderful teachers who get worn down by the bashing and lack of parental support.
Yep, yep, yep.
I mean, I doubt I had a single good teacher EVER.
ALL of them were horrid? Every single one? You know, at some point, you have to say, "Hmmm. Could it be me?"
I agree and when you throw in the guaranteed raises every year, the incredible benefits, including ridiculously low retirement age, job security-it is almost impossible to fire a teacher in a strong union state, and I'll throw in short actual work hours -our elem teachers average less than 5 hours a day of actual teaching/being with the kids. It is an excellent job. If it wasn't such a good job why is it so hard to get a teaching position except for in inner city schools?
THIS is exactly the thing that gets under teachers' skin: the information is badly skewed, yet many people believe these "facts". If you want to complain, get the facts right!

In my state, those "guaranteed raises" are 2% step increases, which do not keep up with the increases in the cost of health insurance -- and, of course, another seven-year salary freeze could come along anytime. Where can I sign up for the incredible benefits? We're using my husband's health insurance because it is much better than ours. There is no retirement age for teachers; instead, retirement is based upon years of service -- to get full benefits, one must teach 30 years. We do have a traditional pension; however, we do not have stock options, travel opportunities, or bonuses based upon the quality of our work -- you know, things that many people consider really great benefits! I don't know about the unions; they're only strong in the Northeast. My work week is 40 hours per week, and I use every minute of planning time PLUS my own time at home to prepare for my teaching time -- no good teacher can walk right into the room and start teaching without any prep time, not even for a topic he or she has taught before! As for available teaching positions, we have a teacher shortage here in the South; we're being forced to hire lateral entry people because not enough people are willing to teach.
Teaching is definitely a calling that some people aren't cut out for.
You're exactly right -- anyone can learn the material, but a HUGE part of being a successful teacher is having the right personality in the first place. I don't mean to say that teachers are better or worse human beings, but the right disposition is at least 50% of the job -- and that can't be taught!
If I told you what teachers around here made, you would def. say many could justly cry poverty.
I'll just say one thing about my salary: If my husband suddenly lost his job and we were living on my income only, my two children would qualify for reduced-price school lunches. Should a professional with 15 years experience be able to say that?
I tell both my kids to go to college and become teachers.you have a guaranteed job, annual increases,free health insurance and a pension to boot.
I hope your children will investigate the job for themselves before they sign up. Yes, teaching is a good job, but most of the "perks" you describe are inaccurate. For example, our insurance is NOT free, teachers with tenure CAN be fired -- though it must be for cause, whereas a first-year teacher might not have her contract renewed simply because someone else who was qualified to coach cheerleading came along.
I maintain my position--teaching is a job and is no more or less inherently "special" or praiseworthy than any other job.
I agree. My problem is with people who start out with negative assumptions about teachers -- and until I joined the profession, I had no idea just how many of those people are out there!
NCLB - standards for education - problem why? Please enlighten me.
It stands for No Child Left Behind. It's a set of laws that was passed a couple years ago, and it holds schools up to certain standards -- very high standards -- without giving any real help in reaching these goals. Most teachers agree that while the lawmaker's desire to help child was sound, this set of laws have shifted the focus to testing rather than teaching.
 
And there's absolutely no bad poetry commemorating database restatement consultants either!

:rotfl2: :rotfl2: :rotfl2:

oh god, luckily I turned my head really quick so the diet coke didn't actually HIT the monitor.

:laughing: :laughing:
 

NCLB - No Child Left Behind - a mandate for moving students forward (this is difficult for some teachers who clearly see that a child is not ready to be moved on for any number of academic reasons).
Standards - many states have educational standards which must be met
 
Originally Posted by Coolio
sorry, but you sound like you enjoy being a martyr. i find it hard to believe that you didn't have a single break all day. the kids go to lunch don't they? in second grade you won't have to be holding their hands in line or opening their milk. even though you don't have "duty free" lunch, i still consider that a break. how about while the kids are at art/pe/music?

i can see working 9 1/2 hour days right before/after school starts. what are you doing at home that takes 2-3 hours every night?

I've taught grades K-12, so maybe I can answer this, even though it wasn't geared to me.

Let's start w/grade school (esp. lower levels):
I'm usually tracing out the pieces for the cute craft projects that we'll be doing the next day. It takes a lot of time to trace 25 large circles, 25 large ovals, 25 medium ovals, 25 pairs of circles for eyes, 25 pairs of legs, 25 pairs of wings and 24 beaks to make our penguin. Not enough prep time to do that -- esp. if I have copies to make for the next day. I'm finishing up any test corrections, reviewing homework, entering grades into my roll book, and writing any info. on students that I need to. I am making lesson plans. I have to keep progress records and every day, so I pull out the charts and jot down any notes that might pertain to that student "Susie still needs addition help" so that I can later conference w/the parents about Susie's needs. Can't get into a lot of that in a short 45 min. prep period. Lunch -- haha -- what's that!?

As far as upper level, when I taught Social Studies and ELA to 3 grade levels, 2 classes per grade w/25 students per class, that means 150 papers and/or essays to grade. That takes a lot longer than any given prep time I have ... esp. those essays which have to be checked for spelling, grammar and that info. is accurate. That's no walk in the park. It takes me quite awhile to get through those ... believe me!

I'm not being a martyr. Nor am I complaining. I love my job and work my tail off. I'm fine w/it. I'm not looking for "extra credit" -- just hoping to add some insight on why our days can go much longer.
 
Wow - in my district, fresh out of college teachers start at about $45,000 and within 3 years are tenured. Most retire at $120,000 - $150,000 and receive a 75% pension, lifetime health insurance and are done working by age 55 (plenty of time to start a whole new career in consulting or whatever).

Our superintendent, with his perks (car, insurance, whatever else) makes $300,000 a year.

My children have mostly had great teachers on the elementary level - two were absolutely incompetent, but protected by tenure. I'm homeschooling our dd not because of poor teachers, but because I am tired of the emphasis put on standardized testing in my district. Our MS and HS are 50/50 - 50% of the teachers are remarkable - 50% are punching the clock. The parents see it, the administration sees it, more importantly, the kids see it. The teachers are protected by their contract and a very strong teacher union.

I think people feel more free to "bash" teachers because they are directly paying their salaries. It's almost like all of us nitpicking Disney - many of us are stockholders, some of us are DVC, and all of us spend oodles of money on all things Disney. So, when we see something wrong, we ***** and moan about it - because we feel we have a stake in it. The same can be said about public education. My school taxes are $12,000 a year and if I'm not happy about a teacher, policy, etc. I will be more likely to vocalize those feelings than I will if I am not happy with a local doctor or car mechanic (there I'll simply take my business elsewhere). A teacher in our district was arrested at his own child's bus stop and found to be in possession of marijuana, viagra and xanax without a prescription. Our school had to hire him back because he was protected by his contract. The kids laugh at him, he was a pitiful teacher before the arrest, now he's just a joke.

In any event - if this happened at a major corporation or a local accountant's office or anywhere else, it wouldn't matter - it doesn't affect us (usually) and we're not paying the guy's salary. He also would have simply been fired, rather than protected. But, in this case, this guy is still making $80,000 a year and the school district is absolutely not getting their money's worth. So, using that as an extreme example, taxpayers and parents feel they have the right to expect to receive the best for the money they spend.

Right or wrong, I believe that is why it happens. I deeply appreciate all of the wonderful teachers who have educated me (including my father-in-law - he was one of my teachers in high school) and my children. However, I do believe the public has a right to vocalize their feelings regarding a service they pay dearly for and which directly impacts their children and their futures in such a vital way.
 
When did it become acceptable [to some people] to blame the teacher for everything?


Probably the same time it became acceptable to bash any other profession. For example.

People hate lawyers

People think some doctors are quacks

People don't like how they are treated by tech support

People think mechanics rip them off

People get mad because they have to wait while a customer service rep figures out their problem and calls the person an idiot, etc.

All of us have seen threads on DIS where people complain about every profession; including various CMs in all sorts of positions at our beloved Disney Parks.


As a student I had some amazing teachers I loved and some that just sucked. My kids have been fortunate to have had excellent teachers so far; some of whom we now consider friends. At the same time there have been a couple of teachers at their school that were terrible and have gotten their rears canned.

Some teachers suck, some teachers are amazing, and some people are going to whine and complain no matter how awesome a teacher is because that is their nature and the kind of people they are. Like the rest of us in other professions; you gotta just ignore the bashers if you know in your heart you are doing a good job.
 
Geez!

What makes people want to attack so vehemently when a teacher wants to vent a little? OP never said it was the worst job in the world. What is the matter with people?????

I'm not a teacher myself. I've just seen a lot of good ones in my own life, and with my kids. And I know that when I'm just there volunteering for short times how I run out of patience with some of those (may I say bratty) kids. Many of these people bashing on this thread are the same ones who would be irritated just sitting next to some rambunctious kids in a restaurant for an hour, and could not begin to imagine what all day with other people's kids is like.

OF COURSE there are jobs that are just as bad and way worse. And those people should be allowed to vent too.
 

NCLB - No Child Left Behind - a mandate for moving students forward (this is difficult for some teachers who clearly see that a child is not ready to be moved on for any number of academic reasons).
Standards - many states have educational standards which must be met

Thanks I know what NCLB is. It seems to be a point of contention with many teachers. Something I'm trying to understand. From my perspective, I welcome a system that will ensure a standard of education across school districts, states, and the country. It would seem to me that *getting ready to get bashed* that most professions have 'standards' of output by which they must adhere to. For example, I work in MIS and I have to ensure XX amount of code be output in my profession. I see NCLB as a similar system. Enforcing for example that by 3rd grade all children should know how to read. This is bad why? I seek clarification, and not trying to be objectionable.
 
Just wondering what the other teachers from Texas are planning on using their $400 per annum raise for... :thumbsup2

Oh, and for the millionth time: I DO NOT have summers off. It is not a paid vacation. I am UNEMPLOYED during the summer.
 
when...................

when teachers who earn 75K plus a year for only 10 months pay are able to tell their senior students they will not write a letter of reccomendation for them for the college of their choice if they do not side with their views and hold up protests signs for them
Sounds like a personal issue here, not a teacher bashing issue. Maybe the teacher didn't feel like the child was someone they could write a positive letter about. I don't think letter writing is required. Solution to me would be to ask a guidance counselor or another teacher.
 
Just wondering what the other teachers from Texas are planning on using their $400 per annum raise for... :thumbsup2

Did the math for ya:

$400 / 187 (days in contract) = 2.14

2.14 / 7.5 (duty hours that are on the book, not including before school and after school work) = 29 cents

Woohoo! I got a 29 cent per hour raise! :cool1:
 

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