on topic-
I would generally agree with the timeframe that everyone else is going with... middle of last year was definately when I first sensed a change in both "yavn" and the game.. but I am almost certain that yavn of today is not yavn of last year and before...
off topic-
does anyone have those pictures with seth "yavn" and vmk headquarters they could pm me... I never got to see them and have been searching for them for awhile...
thanks guys