What's with the Jesus skywriting?

[fakereadhed]

I don't care what the message is - if it shows up in my photos - I am going to be mad.

What are you talking about?


Oh, I remember now...the skywriting.

 

[aztecgoods]

I don't know. It just might beat life in a cubicle with a pointy haired boss dumber than my cat.

I hear that, sometimes I have that exact same thought. Lets all move to an island together.

 

[Aidensmom]

Maybe I have a very thick skin, but I would never take some message in the sky so personally that it offends me, no matter what it says.

I am a local and am at WDW all the time, the only time I even noticed this guy was when my 5 year old was walking around looking straight up for whatever reason, and pointed it out to me. What are you all looking at that you notice it? I have to admit, I had no feelings on the phenomenon one way or another when I saw it, though my son thought it was cool that a plane could make letters.

I am Christian, and I don't see this guy as promoting my cause or reaffirming my faith or anything else. I do think it is pointless, but to each their own.

If it was some other message, like "Jesus is a lie" or "Satan rules" or "There is no God" or other messages I didn't neccessarily agree with, and they made a point of flying directly over my home everyday, I can honestly say I have much more important things in life to worry about, and I wouldn't care. It's some guy writing messages, what does that have to do with my life and what I consider the truth? Absolutely nothing at all, thus there would be no reason to be offended.

It's free speech, and whatever the message, that is a concept I support.

 

[aztecgoods]

Man, I'm sorry to hear about your friend havin' lung cancer, that's a bad one; I just lost a friend to that myself. I don't want to start on all the folks I've lost. Anyway, back to the skywriter, the guy is invasive coz it is in the sky. If God made the sky and I agree it's one of the beauties of our world, leave the dang sky alone! .

Hey I thought you were an aetheist?? Not that there's anything wrong with that.

 

[aztecgoods]

Huh? So all of the priests or fathers who molested/killed/farmed little children were just darn all right and hunky-dory in your book? They are to obey and "do what you say" just because they are your children?? :

UGHG????? Where did that come from, how are "Priests" synonamous with God???? Not in my book, I'm no Catholic. Of course that's not cool, in my opinion that's one of the worst things that has ever happened. (Someone claiming to be a priest and to represent God doing something like that.) I think those priests that have done that should have the book thrown at them, and not the bible book, the law one. And no one's drinking any funky cool-aid either. You can't lump those groups in with the mainstream. I think its safe to say that most Christians don't advocate child molestation and mass suicide by lethal cool-aid. But I know that's how you probably think.

 

[4theloveofdisney]

UGHG????? Where did that come from, how are "Priests" synonamous with God???? Not in my book, I'm no Catholic. Of course that's not cool, in my opinion that's one of the worst things that has ever happened. (Someone claiming to be a priest and to represent God doing something like that.) I think those priests that have done that should have the book thrown at them, and not the bible book, the law one. And no one's drinking any funky cool-aid either. You can't lump those groups in with the mainstream. I think its safe to say that most Christians don't advocate child molestation and mass suicide by lethal cool-aid. But I know that's how you probably think.

First of all, I am not a Christian basher. I do believe in God but I question many things in religion and I think that it's healthy to do so.

I had just read the post about the slaughters in the OT and your post:

Originally Posted by aztecgoods
"When or if you had a child, don't you expect them to obey and do what you say? Right. Same with a God that creates a species. In my opinion. "

I don't think that most Christians advocate child molestation and suicide but some have and some do in the name of God and think that they are obeying.

 

[aztecgoods]

First of all, I am not a Christian basher. I do believe in God but I question many things in religion and I think that it's healthy to do so.

I had just read the post about the slaughters in the OT and your post:

Originally Posted by aztecgoods
"When or if you had a child, don't you expect them to obey and do what you say? Right. Same with a God that creates a species. In my opinion. "

I don't think that most Christians advocate child molestation and suicide but some have and some do in the name of God and think that they are obeying.

Yeah some people also fly airplanes into buildings killing thousands of people 'cause they think its part of religion, but its not, there just whacked, like the people that drink the funky cool-aid. In most walks of life they have their nuts. I do realize that religion has a lot more than its fair share.

 

[Lorelai]

Sorry, I thought you were a follower of the "God of Abraham" (the creator-deity in The Bible). If you were, you would have to believe that your god did that sort of thing, because the "God of Abraham" commands that sort of "Slaughter-them-all" thing repeatedly in the book about him, mainly in the Old Testament.

This "God of Abraham", according to the book, has his followers kill everyone --- men, women, and children --- in Sihon. Deuteronomy 2:33-35

Same thing in Bashan. Deut. 3:6-7
Same thing in Jericho. Joshua 6:21
Same thing in Ai. Joshua 8:22-25
Same thing in Makkada. Joshua 10:28
Same thing in Libna. Joshua 10:30
Same thing in Lachish. Joshua 10:32-33
Same thing in Eglon. Joshua 10:34-35

Et cetera, ad nauseum.

Isn't this all Old Testament stuff (quoted above?). The God of Abraham is all Old Testament, it's considered the Torah...I think. The teachings of Judaism. Christians live by the New Testament.

There are a multitude of Old Testament things that conflict with the New Testament teachings of Jesus. Like in the Old it was an eye for an eye, and in the New it is turn the other cheek. I could be wrong (I'm no bible scholar) but if this is in fact all Old Testament, then it would naturally conflict with Christianity.

I believe Old Testament is what the Hebrew Faith is based on, and Christianity is based on the New, because it is based in Christ. Not to say that Christians don't see value in the Old, but the belief is that the New is the authority.

Does anyone know if all of the slaughter for God quotes are Old?...I think they are, and are in conflict with Christianity.

 

[4theloveofdisney]

Isn't this all Old Testament stuff (quoted above?). The God of Abraham is all Old Testament, it's considered the Torah...I think. The teachings of Judaism. Christians live by the New Testament.

There are a multitude of Old Testament things that conflict with the New Testament teachings of Jesus. Like in the Old it was an eye for an eye, and in the New it is turn the other cheek. I could be wrong (I'm no bible scholar) but if this is in fact all Old Testament, then it would naturally conflict with Christianity.

I believe Old Testament is what the Hebrew Faith is based on, and Christianity is based on the New, because it is based in Christ. Not to say that Christians don't see value in the Old, but the belief is that the New is the authority.

Does anyone know if all of the slaughter for God quotes are Old?...I think they are, and are in conflict with Christianity.

Well...the books of the New Testatment are
Matthew
Mark
Luke
John
The Acts
Romans
Corinthians
Golatians
Ephesians
Phillipians
Collisions
I and II Thesalonians
I Timothy
II TImoth
Titus
Phileumun
Hebrews
James
I Peter
II Peter
I Jude
II Jude
III Jude and
Revelations

(and that is from memory -sorry for the spelling!)

I don't see Deut. or Joshua anywhere in that list but I have to ask...why would you honor only one side of the bible and choose to overlook the other? Just curious - seriously. This is one of the things I struggle with.

 

[carrie s]

Well...the books of the New Testatment are
Matthew
Mark
Luke
John
The Acts
Romans
Corinthians
Golatians
Ephesians
Phillipians
Collisions
I and II Thesalonians
I Timothy
II TImoth
Titus
Phileumun
Hebrews
James
I Peter
II Peter
I Jude
II Jude
III Jude and
Revelations

(and that is from memory -sorry for the spelling!)

I don't see Deut. or Joshua anywhere in that list but I have to ask...why would you honor only one side of the bible and choose to overlook the other? Just curious - seriously. This is one of the things I struggle with.

Most Christians honor both the old and new testiment.

 

[4theloveofdisney]

I don't think that is what he was trying to say. I read a fascinating book by C.S. Lewis called Mere Christianity. One of the most eye opening for me into understanding my faith. If God forced us into a world without free will, what would be the point? As C.S. Lewis said, it would be a world of automata.

So, I have to ask, do you think that God also gave us freedom of religion or is it like the lottery - get lucky if you pick the winner?

These are just some serious questions I have. Maybe this thread is/was meant for me and not that darned Sky Captain! I have never been so engrossed in a thread before.

 

[JoyG]

So, I have to ask, do you think that God also gave us freedom of religion or is it like the lottery - get lucky if you pick the winner?

These are just some serious questions I have. Maybe this thread is/was meant for me and not that darned Sky Captain! I have never been so engrossed in a thread before.

I think God is drawing us all to Him. I believe he gave us free will to choose Him or not, so in that way it's "freedom of religion." I don't think it has anything to do with luck however. When you are presented with the gospel of Jesus you personally have the option of chosing to accept or reject it. That's why many christians feel so compelled to tell everyone about it. So they get that opportunity.

I honestly don't know what happens for those that have never heard the Gospel. The Bible doesn't say anywhere "If you've never heard the gospel you'll be saved anyway." It does however, have a lot to say about people who've heard it and rejected it.

I guess we're all responsible for ourselves...if we've heard the gospel (and everyone reading this thread has definitely heard it over and over ) we either choose to accept or reject it. The question of what about everyone else isn't one we were given an answer to.

 

[magicmato]

There are so many similarities between so many different religions going back eons. The common themes and threads that link them are interesting and it makes me truly believe that all religions, for the most part, are viewing the same thing (God, being, energy, whatever it is) in the universe and interpreting it in a way that best meets their world view and most closely speaks to them.

I think the conflicts in religion these days are when anyone, any religion, stands up and says: "This is the only way, the one true path, anything else is false."

Now, for the person speaking that could indeed be true, but that does not mean that it is true for everyone else.

If God (and I say this meaning a general God, and not as most people seem to interpret it as meaning just the Christian God) is as all knowing, as all powerful and as mighty as everyone says He is, then I highly doubt He cares one whit as to what someone calls Him, as long as the acknowledge Him (or don't, since God made atheists too!).

Now, if there were many different Gods up there in the sky, the Muslim God, the Jewish God, the Pagan Gods, the Hindu Gods, the Christian God, etc., then I could see the God being jealous, because then if you called Him Yahweh instead of Jesus Christ, you would indeed be worshiping someone else.

But if there is only "One God", then I think He is immense enough to be all Gods.

Does that make sense?

 

[carrie s]

I don't think that is what he was trying to say. I read a fascinating book by C.S. Lewis called Mere Christianity. One of the most eye opening for me into understanding my faith. If God forced us into a world without free will, what would be the point? As C.S. Lewis said, it would be a world of automata.

So, I have to ask, do you think that God also gave us freedom of religion or is it like the lottery - get lucky if you pick the winner?

These are just some serious questions I have. Maybe this thread is/was meant for me and not that darned Sky Captain! I have never been so engrossed in a thread before.

I believe that God gave us free will because God doesnt want to force us to love him,he wants it to be our choice.God loves us so much that he gives us the choice to follow Him or reject Him.
I do believe that God does whatever he can to reach everyone.

 

[cardaway]

I think the conflicts in religion these days are when anyone, any religion, stands up and says: "This is the only way, the one true path, anything else is false."

And to even go further, like some did in this thread, and say people are not complete unless they have accepted their religion.

Pretty dang rude, not to mention a minority opinion. Christians may be number one in this country but that isn't true around the world.

That's a lot of incomplete people. I guess we're in good company.

 

[magicmato]

And to even go further, like some did in this thread, and say people are not complete unless they have accepted their religion.

Pretty dang rude, not to mention a minority opinion. Christians may be number one in this country but that isn't true around the world.

That's a lot of incomplete people. I guess we're in good company.

Not to mention the fact that it seems pretty counter-intuitive to believe that a God, an all-knowing, all-seeing being who can do anything to anyone would be silly enough to give only one path to finding Him (or Her or It, lol). If God had all the time in the world and every possible resource (plus the all knowing and being everywhere at all times), why is it so hard to fathom that maybe He gave us many paths to salvation?

Seems like a cosmic joke if He only gave one way to the afterlife and then only gave it to Man after how long of man existing? And not only that, but gave it to a minority of people?

 

[carrie s]

And to even go further, like some did in this thread, and say people are not complete unless they have accepted their religion.

Pretty dang rude, not to mention a minority opinion. Christians may be number one in this country but that isn't true around the world.

That's a lot of incomplete people. I guess we're in good company.

I dont remember any of us saying that you wont be complete without our religion.If I did word something wrong so it sounded like that then I am sorry
,I dont feel that way.Most of the time I dont feel complete and I know very few people who do.

I was curious so I looked it up. 33% of the world are Christian.that is the biggest percentage of any religion.Here is a link.
http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html

 

[Lizzy2]

I guess I just don't get all this upset. I grew up in a beach town on the Atlantic Coast. I sat on the beach all summer long and watched planes pull banners with advertising on them up and down the coastline all day long. I never remember anyone saying anything about it spoiling their atmosphere or view or anything.or worrying about the polution. I still say we all should have better things to concern ourselves with. I say with all love, get over it folks!

 

[4theloveofdisney]

I think God is drawing us all to Him. I believe he gave us free will to choose Him or not, so in that way it's "freedom of religion." I don't think it has anything to do with luck however. When you are presented with the gospel of Jesus you personally have the option of chosing to accept or reject it. That's why many christians feel so compelled to tell everyone about it. So they get that opportunity.

I honestly don't know what happens for those that have never heard the Gospel. The Bible doesn't say anywhere "If you've never heard the gospel you'll be saved anyway." It does however, have a lot to say about people who've heard it and rejected it.

I guess we're all responsible for ourselves...if we've heard the gospel (and everyone reading this thread has definitely heard it over and over ) we either choose to accept or reject it. The question of what about everyone else isn't one we were given an answer to.

Thanks for your honesty. I appreciate it more than words can express!!

 

[4theloveofdisney]

There are so many similarities between so many different religions going back eons. The common themes and threads that link them are interesting and it makes me truly believe that all religions, for the most part, are viewing the same thing (God, being, energy, whatever it is) in the universe and interpreting it in a way that best meets their world view and most closely speaks to them.

I think the conflicts in religion these days are when anyone, any religion, stands up and says: "This is the only way, the one true path, anything else is false."

Now, for the person speaking that could indeed be true, but that does not mean that it is true for everyone else.

If God (and I say this meaning a general God, and not as most people seem to interpret it as meaning just the Christian God) is as all knowing, as all powerful and as mighty as everyone says He is, then I highly doubt He cares one whit as to what someone calls Him, as long as the acknowledge Him (or don't, since God made atheists too!).

Now, if there were many different Gods up there in the sky, the Muslim God, the Jewish God, the Pagan Gods, the Hindu Gods, the Christian God, etc., then I could see the God being jealous, because then if you called Him Yahweh instead of Jesus Christ, you would indeed be worshiping someone else.

But if there is only "One God", then I think He is immense enough to be all Gods.
Does that make sense?[/COLOR]

Yes and that is a beautiful sentence. Thank you!