Whatever happened to being Modest?

[Lilolvr]

You missed my point... I don't see morality as having anything to do with how people dress or don't dress. How people dress and the insistence on modesty is not morality it is repression of expression, and if you repress people long enough they tend to snap... giving rise to more crime than the Europeans. I don't think the US family teaches any different morals than the European family does... I do think the US families tend to have a lot more repression when it comes to sex and the human body.

well said

 

[BamaFan121s]

You missed my point... I don't see morality as having anything to do with how people dress or don't dress. How people dress and the insistence on modesty is not morality it is repression of expression, and if you repress people long enough they tend to snap... giving rise to more crime than the Europeans. I don't think the US family teaches any different morals than the European family does... I do think the US families tend to have a lot more repression when it comes to sex and the human body.

So people dressing more tastefully is going to cause the crime level to increase?

 

[Lorikr65]

I'm still a little disturbed by an earlier post of someone riding rides at one of the parks in a bikini. Let's just say, for hygiene reasons, I don't want to sit in the seat after them!!

 

[thomas998]

Your not kidding!!!!!!!!!! what I saw some 14 year old girls wearing would shock you
I teach my DD to respect her body and herself... I am not a prude about the naked body.... I think a girl who is taught to dress properly has a higher self esteen and self confidence. I feel so bad for those young girls who have no parental direction

But that is different than the OP's post about wearing bikini's and speedos in the lobby of the GF
Manners are manners, some people are taught from birth good manners while others are not.
I think wearing bikini's and speedos in lobby's of resorts shows poor raising and tacky white trash origins.

I tend to think that when you put too much importance on how your daughter dresses that it won't help their self esteem... instead it will simply train them to believe that they are only as good as the clothes they wear... they'll grow up thinking they are less of a woman unless they are wearing the newest Versace... they'll start starving themselves so they can fit into those designer clothes that were made for anorexic women with the body of a young boy... I tended to think that simply reinforcing the good things my daughter did would help her develop good self esteem much more than trying to brain wash her into believing that she was only as good as the clothes she was wearing... but hey I'm guessing one of use is probably wrong... why don't we catch up with each other when my daughter finishes med school and we'll see which one was right.

 

[thomas998]

I'm still a little disturbed by an earlier post of someone riding rides at one of the parks in a bikini. Let's just say, for hygiene reasons, I don't want to sit in the seat after them!!

I would much rather sit in the seat of someone that was wearing a bikini than sit on the toilet of someone that, well let me take a wild guess here... wasn't wearing anything.

 

[stepdisney]

why, because you don't like them? Then that's your problem not theirs.

While I don't think they should stay at home, (Disney for all people) I do think that there are laws and behaviors that go along with the country you are visiting. We do have indecent exposure laws here and laws prohibiting the sale and use of drugs that are legal in other countries. We also have acceptable practices and unacceptable practices that are U.S.A. specific. I am sure that you are not saying that if something is okay in one country, we should just accept it here. In a sense, it is their problem if they are behaving in a way that is acceptable in another country but not ours. Likewise, I wouldn't want someone from another country telling me when they came over here that I had to cover my head. The point is, they are here, not the other way around. When I go to Europe and go to the beaches, I expect it to be different because I am there. I think the poster was just saying that when you come here, just like when we go there, you adjust based on where you are.

 

[Lilolvr]

While I don't think they should stay at home, (Disney for all people) I do think that there are laws and behaviors that go along with the country you are visiting. We do have indecent exposure laws here and laws prohibiting the sale and use of drugs that are legal in other countries. We also have acceptable practices and unacceptable practices that are U.S.A. specific. I am sure that you are not saying that if something is okay in one country, we should just accept it here. In a sense, it is their problem if they are behaving in a way that is acceptable in another country but not ours. Likewise, I wouldn't want someone from another country telling me when they came over here that I had to cover my head. The point is, they are here, not the other way around. When I go to Europe and go to the beaches, I expect it to be different because I am there. I think the poster was just saying that when you come here, just like when we go there, you adjust based on where you are.

When I landed at MCO I was never given a brochure on what beach wear was permitted in the USA or at the parks. And I definitely never saw anything like that in any of the Disney hand outs.

 

[praline3001]

I tend to think that when you put too much importance on how your daughter dresses that it won't help their self esteem... instead it will simply train them to believe that they are only as good as the clothes they wear... they'll grow up thinking they are less of a woman unless they are wearing the newest Versace... they'll start starving themselves so they can fit into those designer clothes that were made for anorexics women with the body of a young boy... I tend to think that simply reinforcing the good things my daughter does will help her develop good self esteem much more than trying to brain wash her into believing that she is only as good as the clothes she is wearing... but hey I'm guessing one of use is probably wrong... why don't we catch up with each other when my daughter finishes med school and we'll see which one was right.

1. You might want to read your post again haha
you are saying exactly what I am talking about... but at a 180 degree turn... the girls who do wear the tacky bikini's in the lobby of resorts ARE the ones who will starve themselves as they are put on display ...and thier bodies are what they are trying to show off... don't those SAME women NOW think they would be less than a woman if they put a cover up on walking in a lobby?!?! I am not a prude or part of the amish culture but a properly dressed lady (and you can properly dress in Target... not just Versace)
will have much more self respect in herself rather than one who is allowed to run around with it all hanging out


Also, Anorexia is a disease ... ask your med student of a daughter... that has nothing to do with clothes or style. It is a mental condition that people get when their world is out of control... they control outside forces by controling the lack of food. It has nothing to do with body image as some might think. To use that as an example of how I raise my daughter to be a proper young lady is very incorrect and borders on rude.

my daughter knows what is proper and what is improper.
She does not walk into some place grossly underdressed or showing off parts of her body that only gain her the wrong kind of attention. She values HERSELF and not for her body being on display.

 

[thomas998]

1. You might want to read your post again haha
you are saying exactly what I am talking about... but at a 180 degree turn... the girls who do wear the tacky bikini's in the lobby of resorts ARE the ones who will starve themselves as they are put on display ...and thier bodies are what they are trying to show off... don't those SAME women NOW think they would be less than a woman if they put a cover up on walking in a lobby?!?! I am not a prude or part of the amish culture but a properly dressed lady (and you can properly dress in Target... not just Versace)
will have much more self respect in herself rather than one who is allowed to run around with it all hanging out


Also, Anorexia is a disease ... ask your med student of a daughter... that has nothing to do with clothes or style. It is a mental condition that people get when their world is out of control... they control outside forces by controling the lack of food. It has nothing to do with body image as some might think. To use that as an example of how I raise my daughter to be a proper young lady is very incorrect and borders on rude.

my daughter knows what is proper and what is improper.
She does not walk into some place grossly underdressed or showing off parts of her body that only gain her the wrong kind of attention. She values HERSELF and not for her body being on display.

I don't think you've been reading all the posts... not only are some people up in arms about the shame of someone wearing a swimsuit but by the horrid notion of someone with a less than perfect body doing so... or oh my god... a woman that hadn't shaved... I think I've seen quite a few girls and women in bikinis at Disney that were clearly not concerned with starving themselves.... Oddly enough I think I've seen more anorexics wearing clothes than I have wearing swimsuits... but as I said... catch up when your daughter is grown and we'll see which method worked better.... and if your daughter does become a fashion horse or anorexic I promise not to say I told you so.

 

[aubriee]

WOW...are you sure you people are at WDW? In all my trips to the world I can honestly say I have never seen what you people are compaining about. But never have I actually seen someone with a paticular body part hanging out. If I did then so what...don't look!

I posted this here a couple of years ago when it first happened, but will do so again. May 2006 I was staying at the Boardwalk villas. One morning a lady got on the elevator with me, wearing nothing but a short cream colored lace dress. Lets just say the lace was very open weaved. She had no underwear of any kind on and lets just say she was obviously not a natural blonde. She might as well have been totally naked. I was speechless, all the way down on the elevator. Normally I mind my own business, but when we got off the elevator I just had to walk quickly ahead of her and then turn to make sure I was really seeing what I thought I was seeing. I turned back and went to the desk. The CM told me she had been spotted as soon as she got off the elevator and they had already sent someone after her. Sure enough, about that time she was being escorted back in, and was giving the two CMs with her an earful.

 

[Lilolvr]

800.03 Exposure of sexual organs. ---
It is unlawful to expose or exhibit one's sexual organs in public or
on the private premises of another, or so near thereto as to be seen
from such private premises, in a vulgar or indecent manner, or to be
naked in public except in any place provided or set apart for that
purpose. Violation of this section is a misdemeanor of the first degree,
punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083. A mother's breast
feeding of her baby does not under any circumstance violate this
section.


Says nothing about wearing a thong, string bikini or speedo.

 

[praline3001]

I don't think you've been reading all the posts... not only are some people up in arms about the shame of someone wearing a swimsuit but by the horrid notion of someone with a less than perfect body doing so... or oh my god... a woman that hadn't shaved... I think I've seen quite a few girls and women in bikinis at Disney that were clearly not concerned with starving themselves.... Oddly enough I think I've seen more anorexics wearing clothes than I have wearing swimsuits... but as I said... catch up when your daughter is grown and we'll see which method worked better.... and if your daughter does become a fashion horse or anorexic I promise not to say I told you so.

I have been responding to the OP
Isn't that what we are supposed to do?
the OP stated that wearing bikini's and speedo's in the lobby of resorts is TACKY...
I completely agree. Anyother poster who gets off the subject of the OP ...well I can't speak for them

i was the one who posted about seeing a lady who had not shaved and was running around the resort (not the pool) in a bikini. It was gross to see long pubic hair bushing out all over her suit. It goes with that good hygeine common sense approach.

Some people are raised with manners and some people are not. Some people are raised with a sense of class and some people are not

 

[mandymommy4]

**emphasis added

Who said it is a god given right for anyone to wear what they want? And I didn't see anyone say it was ruining their vacation.

People have no sense of propriety, it is NOT proper to be in a public building or non-swimming public venue in a swim suit. People do not seem to understand that or stores, restaurants and other public places would not have to post signs saying "No shirts, No shoes, No service." There is a standard for acceptable clothing and just because some people do not feel that it aplies to them (for a million different reasons) does not change the standard.

I think it does matter what kind of hotel you are at. Using Disney Resorts as an example; At the value resorts, with outside hall ways, it might be deemed acceptable to walk to the pool in a swim suit. At the Grand Floridian, I personally would never walk through that majestic lobby in my suit. At the Poly, my room was right beside the pool, the walk was 10 feet, I did go out in my suit, and twice I crossed paths with people on their way to dinner and well dressed. I still felt like a fish out of water as I was not in the pool area.

Some things are personal opinions and some things are cultural, and then some things are just wrong. I am sorry, but bikinis in the park (on ANYONE of ANY size and age) is wrong. I know it's not popular to say people could be wrong about something...but it does not make them right.

I think if you want to bring God into this.. you would have to accept that God created man and woman buck naked.... So one could certainly claim that wearing those horrid clothes is an afront to God.

As for propriety of wearing a swim suit where ever... well some place have signs that say "no shirt, no shoes, no service"... the people that have own those places have the right to require me or you to wear a shirt or shoes... I respect that. I also respect your right to wear what you want, If you want to wear a thong and mow your lawn or jog in the park it doesn't bother me... If you want to wear a burka and sit by the pool, it doesn't bother me... I'm sorry you missed me at the Grand Floridian when I went from the pool to my room in my swim suit.... I'm sure you would have enjoyed snearing at me and maybe I would have been the topic of your dinner that night... It wouldn't bother me... If you want to live life believing your the Miss Manners then go ahead, but if you do I hope you enjoy being upset because most people don't bother with antiquated views of civility.... most people realize that life is too short to worry about things that have no real impact on themselve or those around them. In the futuer when you see the guy in the red speedo walking through the lobby feel free to say hi.

I have to LOL! Well, since your a scholar and want to bring it up read a little farther please in Genisis......

Here's the cliff note version, God created Man, man sinned by eating the one no no fruit on the garden, mans eyes were "opened" that they were naked, they covered themselves with fig leaves, God found them hiding becasue they were naked, God made them adequate clothing out of animal skin! Read chapter 3, God made man clothes to hide their nakedness........

Let's all remember we are not "blind" like Adam and Eve in the garden! Please cover you skinny, fat, pale, tan, hairy or smooth bodies till you are alone! WE DON'T NEED TO SEE WHAT GOD GAVE YOU AND NEITHER DOES HE !

 

[stepdisney]

When I landed at MCO I was never given a brochure on what beach wear was permitted in the USA or at the parks. And I definitely never saw anything like that in any of the Disney hand outs.

I'm assuming from your signature that you live in the U.S.A. I think that you are fully aware of acceptable attire. You said it yourself when you said it was an American thing but not in other countries. It also does not say you can't go naked to the parks, some things you can just figure out.

The response you quote from me is regarding the issue where you said it was our problem not theirs. My response is that Disneyworld is in the U.S.A and again the point is they are here and not the other way around. Again, when we visit other countries, it is not appropriate for us to try to change the way they think to fit our standards. Likewise, if Americans or at least the majority of Disney going Americans think that thong bikinis are inappropriate, that should be the standard. Freedom doesn't mean we have a lawless society, it means that we make the laws that we follow and they are not just shoved down our throats. With freedom comes responsibility and rational thinking. Remember, we are talking about Disneyworld Resorts... you know, Mickey, Minnie, etc.

 

[tlens]

if I want to wear my speedo while I walk back to my room, then I will.... if people want to stare, feel free it doesn't bother me I'm pretty sure no one will see anything they haven't seen before.

I haven't seen yours....and don't wish to....that's the point.

ANd regarding the thongs at the water park.

1) Um, I don't think they'd get alot of speed going down the slides that way
2) I wouldn't want to be the next person to use that slide. BLECH.

 

[Cinderumbrella]

I love when people are caliming that they saw someone wearing a bathing suit from the pool to their room and they have to cover up becouse that is ruining their vacation... Do people forget that the people wearing the bathing suit is paying for their vacation too and its there God given right too wear what they want as long as they are dressed....

But we all seem to agree that the park is a different story!!!!

**emphasis added

Who said it is a god given right for anyone to wear what they want? And I didn't see anyone say it was ruining their vacation.

People have no sense of propriety, it is NOT proper to be in a public building or non-swimming public venue in a swim suit. People do not seem to understand that or stores, restaurants and other public places would not have to post signs saying "No shirts, No shoes, No service." There is a standard for acceptable clothing and just because some people do not feel that it aplies to them (for a million different reasons) does not change the standard.

I think it does matter what kind of hotel you are at. Using Disney Resorts as an example; At the value resorts, with outside hall ways, it might be deemed acceptable to walk to the pool in a swim suit. At the Grand Floridian, I personally would never walk through that majestic lobby in my suit. At the Poly, my room was right beside the pool, the walk was 10 feet, I did go out in my suit, and twice I crossed paths with people on their way to dinner and well dressed. I still felt like a fish out of water as I was not in the pool area.

Some things are personal opinions and some things are cultural, and then some things are just wrong. I am sorry, but bikinis in the park (on ANYONE of ANY size and age) is wrong. I know it's not popular to say people could be wrong about something...but it does not make them right.

I think if you want to bring God into this.. you would have to accept that God created man and woman buck naked.... So one could certainly claim that wearing those horrid clothes is an afront to God.

As for propriety of wearing a swim suit where ever... well some place have signs that say "no shirt, no shoes, no service"... the people that have own those places have the right to require me or you to wear a shirt or shoes... I respect that. I also respect your right to wear what you want, If you want to wear a thong and mow your lawn or jog in the park it doesn't bother me... If you want to wear a burka and sit by the pool, it doesn't bother me... I'm sorry you missed me at the Grand Floridian when I went from the pool to my room in my swim suit.... I'm sure you would have enjoyed snearing at me and maybe I would have been the topic of your dinner that night... It wouldn't bother me... If you want to live life believing your the Miss Manners then go ahead, but if you do I hope you enjoy being upset because most people don't bother with antiquated views of civility.... most people realize that life is too short to worry about things that have no real impact on themselve or those around them. In the futuer when you see the guy in the red speedo walking through the lobby feel free to say hi.

Just want to make sure we are quoting correcting as to WHO exactly is bringing God into this...

Back to the arguing

 

[Lilolvr]

I'm assuming from your signature that you live in the U.S.A. I think that you are fully aware of acceptable attire. You said it yourself when you said it was an American thing but not in other countries. It also does not say you can't go naked to the parks, some things you can just figure out.

The response you quote from me is regarding the issue where you said it was our problem not theirs. My response is that Disneyworld is in the U.S.A and again the point is they are here and not the other way around. Again, when we visit other countries, it is not appropriate for us to try to change the way they think to fit our standards. Likewise, if Americans or at least the majority of Disney going Americans think that thong bikinis are inappropriate, that should be the standard. Freedom doesn't mean we have a lawless society, it means that we make the laws that we follow and they are not just shoved down our throats. With freedom comes responsibility and rational thinking. Remember, we are talking about Disneyworld Resorts... you know, Mickey, Minnie, etc.

I do live in the USA and even still, I never was told at check in what was appropriate to wear poolside. If you assume everyone that lives in the USA will make the right choice on poolside attire, then thats a mistake.

If Disney thinks its that major of an issue, they would do something about it. I posted the Fl law about and it is not against the law to wear those items.

 

[praline3001]

I have to LOL! Well, since your a scholar and want to bring it up read a little farther please in Genisis......

Here's the cliff note version, God created Man, man sinned by eating the one no no fruit on the garden, mans eyes were "opened" that they were naked, they covered themselves with fig leaves, God found them hiding becasue they were naked, God made them adequate clothing out of animal skin! Read chapter 3, God made man clothes to hide their nakedness........

Let's all remember we are not "blind" like Adam and Eve in the garden! Please cover you skinny, fat, pale, tan, hairy or smooth bodies till you are alone! WE DON'T NEED TO SEE WHAT GOD GAVE YOU AND NEITHER DOES HE !

At last a voice of reason
just cause I don't show my hiney or anything else in public does not make me a prude or that I have issues with my nakedness

 

[PrincessV]

Much like I do when talk about WDW's signature restaurant dress code comes up, I keep reading a lot of posts talking about "accepted" codes of fashion conduct in the US... well I'm here to tell you that there is no single accepted code throughout the country. Here in FL, things are FAR more relaxed than I've seen in the Northeast. Swimsuits are a way of life - residents mow the lawn in them, gas up the car in them, travel to and from the beach in them, stop at the bank in them, grab some things at the grocery store in them... you get the idea. Sure, most women toss on a pair of shorts or sundress if they'll be in a building, but bikini tops and bare-chested men are not even remotely unusual.

Just something to think about - the accepted codes you bring with you form your home region are NOT necessarily in alignment with the accepted codes down here anymore than European/Middle Eastern/South American/etc. might be.

 

[mandymommy4]

At last a voice of reason
just cause I don't show my hiney or anything else in public does not make me a prude or that I have issues with my nakedness

I bet if GOD was at WDW he would be busy making fur coverings for all the furry bikini lines, spedo gents, and thongs lovers......

i'm sorry but my issue with spedos is that fact that they are tight and show off to many details lol, unless God blessed you we are just laughing at ya!