What would you pay my sitter?

I paid my sitter $25 a day when it was 3 days a week. flat rate. I didn't mind at all. She was the best lady for the job and now that my youngest no longer go to her, we are still great friends. I will say...have a written contract. Friend or no friend, I think business is business. Write down what happens if someone is sick, will you still pay? How many 'free' days will you get? You need to talk about your vacation...her vacation.

When it was all 5 days it was $100 a week. We made it fair for both of us. If Sophia was there 3 or more days then it was $100. But if she was there 0-2 days I paid $50.
 
My mom is a nurse in Ohio and makes about 36/hr. plus overtime and that's just a 'standard nurse'- not even med surg or nurse manager. With only 12K in childcare costs and it 'not being worth it for you' it would seem TN pays their nurses crap. :( :confused3

I made $32 in hospital here as PRN, not full time/no benefits, so yes tn pays crap. The position I was looking at was in an office and the offer was for the same hourly rate I got when I was FULLTIME in hospital....which I was not expecting from an office. However FULLTIME in hospital here is much less than prn in hospital. Again, yes the pay in tn is much less than ohio.
 
First, let me say GOOD FOR YOU for doing the math. As an accountant (now stay-at-home-mom), I always feel a little frustrated with friends who forget to factor in things like taxes and other expenses when calculating what their income is / will be when they look at working verses staying at home. For a lot of people, it just isn't worth it.

Second, it seems a lot of people have given you quotes on what the going rates are, and they may be accurate. However, I live in Tennessee, which I think is where you are from, and have many friends who do in-home day care and pay substantially less than what others have said. I have one friend who pays $100 / week for her infant son who is there 40 hours / week. She also pays nothing if her son is sick or when she is on vacation from work. My mom also used to keep infants in her home for around $25 / day, and that was all day care. (And in both cases, the kids received excellent care). Obviously, those are best case scenarios, but in both cases it was people who enjoyed being around kids and didn't mind the inconvenience of having them around for a few hours a day. I would suggest asking your neighbor / friend what she would like to be reimbursed. You may find that she is willing to do it for a rate that would be beneficial for her and yet still make financial sense for you. After reading what some people on here have quoted for this service, I'm wondering if I should try to go into business as an in-home childcare provider!

I agree...going rate for full time nannies here is nowhere near what some on this thread quoted and no way would I pay this mom to watch my kids with her kids at her house as much as I would have paid a nanny to watch only my kids at my house. Either way, it was just not going to be worth the sacrifices.
 
I worked as an accountant for a company that owns outpatient surgery centers all over the country. Part of my job was to process their payroll, so I saw the payroll rates for nurses for all over, and the rates vary greatly depending on the market as well as cost of living for that area. $36 / hour is definitely on the higher end - not unheard of, but much higher than places in the midwest and south. Especially in places like Nashville that have a relatively low cost of living and no shortage of nurses due to the many universities in the area. I would guess rates in nashville to be more around $20 - $25 / hour. I wouldn't say $45 - $50k / year is "crap". In some areas of the country, maybe. But not in Nashville.

Yes, they offered me $22/hr with a raise (no idea how much, maybe $24/hr?) after 90 days. That is comparable to hospital FULLTIME pay here in nashville, with the benefit of no weekends, holidays, or hospital politics. :)
When I was prn in a hospital here I made $32/hr, but that's a whole different can of worms.

My DH does very well so we are in a higher tax bracket. Taking all things into account I would have netted under $20k...came to $8.??/hr. No thanks.
 

I paid my sitter $25 a day when it was 3 days a week. flat rate. I didn't mind at all. She was the best lady for the job and now that my youngest no longer go to her, we are still great friends. I will say...have a written contract. Friend or no friend, I think business is business. Write down what happens if someone is sick, will you still pay? How many 'free' days will you get? You need to talk about your vacation...her vacation.

When it was all 5 days it was $100 a week. We made it fair for both of us. If Sophia was there 3 or more days then it was $100. But if she was there 0-2 days I paid $50.

I was planning to offer her $25/day...$125/wk plus the gas. It would have come to roughly $680 a month in her pocket with the luxury of having her own kids too and in her home. Honestly I would do that job to make some spending cash if I weren't the one posting the ad. :) I think she would have said yes, but doesn't matter...by the time I added in the camps and days off school, just not worthwhile.
 
I have 3 boys, ages 10,7and5. I have a college aged girl get them off the bus 1 day per week and stay until my husband gets home. We pay her 12.00 per hour and always round up! It's expensive, but if you have someone you trust and that your kids like.... You better make it worth their while!!
 
Yes, they offered me $22/hr with a raise (no idea how much, maybe $24/hr?) after 90 days. That is comparable to hospital FULLTIME pay here in nashville, with the benefit of no weekends, holidays, or hospital politics. :)
When I was prn in a hospital here I made $32/hr, but that's a whole different can of worms.

My DH does very well so we are in a higher tax bracket. Taking all things into account I would have netted under $20k...came to $8.??/hr. No thanks.


amazing how those higher tax brackets can make it less cost effective.

back before government agencies were requiring staff to furlough my government employer was trying to cut costs by offering 'voluntary time off' to their employees. we could reduce our hours (same workload) but we still retained the same benefits (same sick/float/vacation accruals and employer contributions to insurance/pension). I mentioned it to my cpa who ran the numbers. I cut my hours by 25% per week but b/c it dropped us into a lower tax bracket we ended up netting more income:thumbsup2
 
I was planning to offer her $25/day...$125/wk plus the gas. It would have come to roughly $680 a month in her pocket with the luxury of having her own kids too and in her home. Honestly I would do that job to make some spending cash if I weren't the one posting the ad. :) I think she would have said yes, but doesn't matter...by the time I added in the camps and days off school, just not worthwhile.

I think this is more than fair. It is not enough to keep her from possibly turning it down one day, but it is certainly enough to make it worth her time.

I would also once a month or every 6 weeks, buy her a 50$ gift card for a grocery store, or fun places out like chuck e cheese to have some fun, especially if the kids eat there snacks/breakfast or she takes them to the parks and stuff when it is warmer. ect. I did this, for a lady that helped me and it made the difference for her.
 
I agree...going rate for full time nannies here is nowhere near what some on this thread quoted and no way would I pay this mom to watch my kids with her kids at her house as much as I would have paid a nanny to watch only my kids at my house. Either way, it was just not going to be worth the sacrifices.

Around here, the going rate for nannies who watch your children in YOUR home is 3 to 4 times higher than having someone watch your children in THEIR home. In your situation, I think $35/$40 is fair (a little more because she has to drive, and take another child in for an hour).
 
Thanks everyone for your input. I think I have confirmed that this is not worthwhile for me until my youngest goes to kindergarten. I just ran the numbers to look at the whole picture...including the taxes.

Turns out, I would be looking at $12,000 at least in extra child care costs btwn the sitter and the kids camps during school breaks. Also, factor in Fed tax, SS tax, medicare tax, and I am down to bringing home less than half my hourly wage...which as a RN would be very little. :scared:

So not worth the $350/wk I would bring home after reducing my somewhat nice looking salary by the above essential expenses...not to mention the strain on my life and more importantly my kids' lives. Guess I will cont to work in my laundry room...:laundy: ;)

Kind of a bummer to give up a great opportunity, but the greatness wore off after I did the full calculations. :sad:

I did read through all the posts and can provide my view, although it already looks like you made your decision. We did make a similar decision when my son was born. We decided it wasn't worth the extra $$.

If you are netting $350/week, that is over $18K per year after taxes and expenses. That $$ can be used to save for college and/or to better your family's lifestyle. I am going to assume your spouse makes a good salary and is able to support your family without the extra income. I realize this is not an option for some as both parents HAVE to work, but when it is an option I feel it is far better for the kids to have a parent at home. If you are like us, we would probably spend most of the extra $$ anyway to add to our daily lives and not really be saving enough to make a difference. Good luck and enjoy the time you get to spend with your children.
 
I skimmed through replies and am feeling really good about where I live. I'm a SAHM and I've been looking for a job. My son is now 4 and he's in preschool 8:00-2:30 five days a week. It's 1875.00 for the whole year and before and aftercare is 3.75 an hour.

I thought it was a lot but now .. Wow. Have you looked into your child's school before/after program? It might be cheaper than a sitter or nanny. It might make it worth it than.

Edited: it is a local catholic school even though I'm not catholic. I don't know if that makes a difference with prices or not. I do know our local charter school was much more.

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my disclosure-the first degree I received in college was in early childhood education which included a great deal of instruction on the legal issues of operating childcare in both centers and private homes (which the laws have greatly increased regarding in the many years since) that said-

if someone is accepting less than $3.15 per hour to care for an infant ($100 per week divided by 40 hours per week or $25 hours per day divided by 8 hours per day) on the basis of not minding the "inconvenience of having them around" it is not necessarily someone who is providing what many parents would consider as acceptable childcare (regarding providing the appropriate safeguards in the event of an accident or emergency).

i'm not knocking the childcare these people are providing, but honestly-I don't know anyone that would begin to consider hiring a babysitter for an evening out and paying anywhere as little as this amount.

as to considering going into business based on the amounts quoted in this thread-take into consideration the following:

if the number of children you potentially watch require licensing or not-if (god forbid) an accident or illness occurs that causes a parent to file (or their health insurance on their behalf) a claim on your homeowner or renter insurance about-absent having notified, contracted and paid that higher premium that childcare requires-you as provider are looking at substantial personal financial liability as well as cancellation that can result in unaffordable future coverage that is in violation of mortgage terms,

if you pickup or transport children for whom you receive financial compensation and are involved in an auto accident (even not at your fault), and your auto carrier finds you are using the auto that you've not notified, amended and paid them to use for "business purposes" was involved, count on your insurance being cancelled which will result in much higher premiums even if you discontinue child care, and yourself being liable for all expenses.


this may sound drastic, but it's the drastic situations that cause major issues.
even the minor issues can cause drastic issues. your well meaning, low paid neighbor is watching your child and 'just needs to run to the store for a second' so they take your kid along but because your kid doesn't normaly ride in their car they don't have their booster seat. there's a minor fender bender and your kid gets minor injuries. your health insurance says the couple of thousand in e/r fees are on the neighbor's car insurance, their car insurance says b/c no business insurance they aren't covering. you are left dealing with a former 'good neighbor friend' whose arguing that what you're asking for in med bills is more than what you agreed to pay her for 3 months of childcare:sad1::sad1: it's a very bad situation all around.


honestly, with childcare it's like everything else-you get what you pay for.

You left out the first (and important) half of this sentence that stated "they really enjoyed children". In both of the instances I mentioned, they were ladies whose children were grown and they enjoyed the opportunity to nurture little kids again. I can attest that the care they receive is EXCELLENT - very clean and engaging environments and lots of individualized attention. On the flip side, I had a close friend who worked in an early childhood center that cost over $1000 / month per child who told me absolutely HORRIBLE stories of things that happened at their center (she, as a teacher, was paid just barely above minimum wage. She and her (inconsistent) aid had a class of 14 two-year-olds they were responsible for). So in that sense, I really disagree with you that "you get what you pay for". Sometimes this is true, but not necessarily. There are people out there who take care of kids because they enjoy it, and money is not their primary incentive.

You do make some excellent points as to the legal obligations and risks associated with an in-home or informal childcare arrangement, and those should definitely be researched by anyone considering this arrangement (which it sounds like our OP is not any longer:)).
 
I made $32 in hospital here as PRN, not full time/no benefits, so yes tn pays crap. The position I was looking at was in an office and the offer was for the same hourly rate I got when I was FULLTIME in hospital....which I was not expecting from an office. However FULLTIME in hospital here is much less than prn in hospital. Again, yes the pay in tn is much less than ohio.

I started questioning myself after my previous post saying salaries weren't that low in TN. I found an article that said average pay for RN's was $62k ($29/hr), with only the bottom 10% making less than $44K ($21 / hour). So it would seem that TN is pretty low. BUT that figure does include nurse managers, specialized nurses, and PRNs, all of which are paid substantially higher than a regular FT RN. So a 9-5 nurse who works in an office - getting the benefits of no weekends, holidays, or overnight hours required - is probably going to be on the bottom end of that pay scale. Also, many offices offer health benefits, retirement benefits, and paid time off, which would be factored into the compensation amount in addition to the hourly wage. Having seen payroll records from around the country, I can tell you $25 is not great, but not that uncommon.
 
I started questioning myself after my previous post saying salaries weren't that low in TN. I found an article that said average pay for RN's was $62k ($29/hr), with only the bottom 10% making less than $44K ($21 / hour). So it would seem that TN is pretty low. BUT that figure does include nurse managers, specialized nurses, and PRNs, all of which are paid substantially higher than a regular FT RN. So a 9-5 nurse who works in an office - getting the benefits of no weekends, holidays, or overnight hours required - is probably going to be on the bottom end of that pay scale. Also, many offices offer health benefits, retirement benefits, and paid time off, which would be factored into the compensation amount in addition to the hourly wage. Having seen payroll records from around the country, I can tell you $25 is not great, but not that uncommon.

This is totally off topic from the original thread, but I can assure you that salaries in TN most certainly ARE that low. I'm a full time RN, with a BSN working full time in CCU. I've been an RN 8 years. I make closer to $25 an hour than $30. Starting salary for a new grad RN here in Knoxville is $18.75/hr. You used to get $0.50 more per hour for a BSN opposed to an ASN, but not anymore. So, it would appear that average salaries in Nashville are actually higher than they are here.
 
I skimmed through replies and am feeling really good about where I live. I'm a SAHM and I've been looking for a job. My son is now 4 and he's in preschool 8:00-2:30 five days a week. It's 1875.00 for the whole year and before and aftercare is 3.75 an hour.

I thought it was a lot but now .. Wow. Have you looked into your child's school before/after program? It might be cheaper than a sitter or nanny. It might make it worth it than.

Edited: it is a local catholic school even though I'm not catholic. I don't know if that makes a difference with prices or not. I do know our local charter school was much more.

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The before/after program at our preschool is only 30 mins...8:30 to 9 and 2:30-3pm. So not helpful, but thanks for suggesting.
 
I did read through all the posts and can provide my view, although it already looks like you made your decision. We did make a similar decision when my son was born. We decided it wasn't worth the extra $$.

If you are netting $350/week, that is over $18K per year after taxes and expenses. That $$ can be used to save for college and/or to better your family's lifestyle. I am going to assume your spouse makes a good salary and is able to support your family without the extra income. I realize this is not an option for some as both parents HAVE to work, but when it is an option I feel it is far better for the kids to have a parent at home. If you are like us, we would probably spend most of the extra $$ anyway to add to our daily lives and not really be saving enough to make a difference. Good luck and enjoy the time you get to spend with your children.

I agree. My husband travels quite a bit for work so pulling the 40 hrs and then coming home to do all the kid/evening stuff by myself is just not worth the $18k I would net.
 
I started questioning myself after my previous post saying salaries weren't that low in TN. I found an article that said average pay for RN's was $62k ($29/hr), with only the bottom 10% making less than $44K ($21 / hour). So it would seem that TN is pretty low. BUT that figure does include nurse managers, specialized nurses, and PRNs, all of which are paid substantially higher than a regular FT RN. So a 9-5 nurse who works in an office - getting the benefits of no weekends, holidays, or overnight hours required - is probably going to be on the bottom end of that pay scale. Also, many offices offer health benefits, retirement benefits, and paid time off, which would be factored into the compensation amount in addition to the hourly wage. Having seen payroll records from around the country, I can tell you $25 is not great, but not that uncommon.

Full time in hospital specialty unit in Nashville in 2012 I was making $23/hr. When I dropped my full time status to prn and gave up benefits I went up to $32/hr. I have been working in hospitals since 2002 and as a RN since 2008...5 1/2 years.
 
I am in a very similar position. The costs are scary when you have to figure in summer and holiday care.

For my almost 4 year old I was quoted 14k for 10 months. I nearly fell out of my chair. For my three kids to have full time care I am looking at a very high cost indeed.

Ana
 
$350/ week sounds great to me! I'm a teacher and after child care costs, I bring home $150 week. Awful. I am sticking it out until I hit 10 years so I get what the state paid into my pension. Ironically, that is year my little one goes into Kinder.
 
$350/ week sounds great to me! I'm a teacher and after child care costs, I bring home $150 week. Awful. I am sticking it out until I hit 10 years so I get what the state paid into my pension. Ironically, that is year my little one goes into Kinder.

Wow, so you are doing it for the pension I assume? Teachers are so underpaid, but we appreciate you! :flower3:
 












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