What would you pay my sitter?

disneymagicgirl

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I accepted a job offer. From Stay at home to full time....yikes! Anywho, it is a great opportunity.

My youngest is in 5 day preschool 9-2:30. I have found a SAHM neighbor to do the following:

I drop DS4 at her house at 8am and she drops him at preschool at 9am.

She picks him back up at 2:30 and keeps him at her house til I get home (around 5). DS5 gets off bus at her house at 4 and stays til I get there.

Since it will be at her house and her kids there, not sure what appropriate amount would be. I have already stated that I will pay for gas to drive to/from preschool.

I would prefer a nanny at my house so she could bathe kids for me and start kids’ dinner when Dh is out of town, but I haven't found anyone.

So what would you pay her?
 
What are the going rates for Before and After school care?

In our area it is $6 for each.....based on that I would do something like this:

$6 for before for your son + $6 after for your school age son +$15 for the after care for your preschool son

= $27 a day
 
A sitter or a nanny?

Sitters $6 and then a tip

Nanny $8 and then a tip
 
This all depends on where you're located, but I would say no less than minimum wage. Since you're in TN, at least $7.25/hr. And a sitter/nanny will typically be more expensive than after-school care programs.
 

This all depends on where you're located, but I would say no less than minimum wage. Since you're in TN, at least $7.25/hr. And a sitter/nanny will typically be more expensive than after-school care programs.

I agree with this. The sitter is responsible for much more than an at-school extended day program, which really is just group daycare. She has to get your child to school safely and then watch him after school. Yes, it's at her home, but it's still a job. If your child needs something, she has to stop her own life (making dinner, helping her own kids with homework, cleaning, etc) and attend to him. If you want her to treat it like a job, as opposed to a favor for a friend, pay her like it's a job. And I'm assuming since you asked, this is exactly what you want to do :). A good sitter/nanny is like GOLD!
 
Where we are, most sitters will not do it for less than $10 an hour. Most want $15+
 
I pay my in-home nanny $16 / hr for after school care with a guaranteed base per week. Extended day care at the school costs $7 / hr. So I would pay a before and after school babysitter in between -- $12 / hr with a guaranteed base of 20 hours per week, or something along those lines. You have offered to pay for gas, so you might be able to reduce the hourly rate.
 
This all depends on where you're located, but I would say no less than minimum wage. Since you're in TN, at least $7.25/hr. And a sitter/nanny will typically be more expensive than after-school care programs.


depends on if the afterschool care program is subsidized are not (like the ones through the public schools/ymca), a licensed center or licensed family home. 8 years ago the cost to get after-school care at a center in the area we lived in ran $12.50 an hour for ONE kid:crazy2: reason-center preferred to keep their allotment of slots available for full time kids whose parents ended up paying more per month (but it worked out to a dirt amount per hour).

op-when you are figuring out how much to pay her per hour you need to figure out a couple of things-

are you going to be paying her under the table (in which case take into consideration the loss of any dependent care benefits your new employer might offer AND the loss of the tax deductions/write offs for childcare) that can be several thousands of dollars per year that by virtue of you losing them you are adding as a cost to you for the neighbor's childcare,

is she going to care for the kids full days when there are school holidays and breaks? is she going to care for them extended hours for minimum days or late starts? what about days when the kids are sick enough to have to stay home (but not so sick that you have to take a day off)? if so, and you negotiate a higher per hour rate keep in mind that some months you will be paying quite a bit out of pocket.

I've known some parents to do an hourly amount, but then agree on a capped amount (so, x $ per hours not to exceed x dollars in a month no matter how many hours).

also (just as a heads up), BEFORE you enter into the arrangement discuss with the person what happens when her kids or her are sick, how far in advance she'll let you know if she's taking a vacation or just wants time off. I've known more than a few friendly neighbor relationships blown apart over what they thought were mutually agreeable childcare arrangements.
 
We pay $10 per hour for our before/after school child. We pay $250/week for our toddler who stays at the babysitter's house from 8 to 4:30. We arranged our schedule so we don't have to pay the sitter to drop/off or pick/up for us. The bus picks up and drops off at her house.

Even though you are paying for her gas, consider the inconvenience of the sitter having to drop what they're doing to pick up your child from pre-school each day. I chose not to have our sitter do any drop-offs or pick-ups because she charges an extra $50/week per child for that service. At first I thought that was a little steep, but then she explained that she has to put all the kids in car seats and take them all with her each time she makes a trip to drop off or pick up a child at school, so all that time adds up. It's not just a quick 10 minute run to the school.
 
I have to agree with what barkley said.

We had a really good sitter that we just fell in love with. We didn't see the need to have a formal contract because she was so friendly. After 4 or 5 months she told me the week before that she was going on vacation the following week. We couldn't find a sitter at the last minute so DH and I had to take last minute sick/personal time from work. It caused a bit of tension but we got past it...until a few weeks later when my daughter was sick and the sitter would not take her.

Always agree on EVERYTHING in advance. Getting it in writing avoids the "No, I never said that" argument.

Make sure you know in advance if the sitter will be unavailable on any holidays that you will have to work, how long vacation time must be declared in advance, what happens if a child is sick, can your school-age child stay if school is cancelled or they have a day off and what amount she charges. Will you be declaring the money you give her on your taxes? You can deduct up to $2000 per year. I forget if that is total or per child. That is important because she has to be willing to give you her SSN (or a tax ID number) in order for you to take the credit, which means the IRS will know she got income from you. I always paid her with a check and wrote the dates I was paying for in the memo. This served as a receipt if she claimed she wasn't paid or if I had any issues when filing our taxes. If you are paying her under the table, then you should pay her a bit less since you can't deduct the childcare expense and she isn't declaring the income.
 
I met a nanny when my daughter was in Preschool. She was responsible for bringing the girl to school and picking her up. Usually about a 3 hour day. She would have this little girl from early morning (about 8 a.m.) to at least 5 p.m. to 6 p.m. She would make her lunch, snacks and sometimes dinner if the parents were running late. This was 4 years ago and at that time she said she would get $15/hour.
 
Thanks everyone for your input. I think I have confirmed that this is not worthwhile for me until my youngest goes to kindergarten. I just ran the numbers to look at the whole picture...including the taxes.

Turns out, I would be looking at $12,000 at least in extra child care costs btwn the sitter and the kids camps during school breaks. Also, factor in Fed tax, SS tax, medicare tax, and I am down to bringing home less than half my hourly wage...which as a RN would be very little. :scared:

So not worth the $350/wk I would bring home after reducing my somewhat nice looking salary by the above essential expenses...not to mention the strain on my life and more importantly my kids' lives. Guess I will cont to work in my laundry room...:laundy: ;)

Kind of a bummer to give up a great opportunity, but the greatness wore off after I did the full calculations. :sad:
 
Local rates here are at least $15 per hour.
 
My mom is a nurse in Ohio and makes about 36/hr. plus overtime and that's just a 'standard nurse'- not even med surg or nurse manager. With only 12K in childcare costs and it 'not being worth it for you' it would seem TN pays their nurses crap. :( :confused3
 
Thanks everyone for your input. I think I have confirmed that this is not worthwhile for me until my youngest goes to kindergarten. I just ran the numbers to look at the whole picture...including the taxes.

Turns out, I would be looking at $12,000 at least in extra child care costs btwn the sitter and the kids camps during school breaks. Also, factor in Fed tax, SS tax, medicare tax, and I am down to bringing home less than half my hourly wage...which as a RN would be very little. :scared:

So not worth the $350/wk I would bring home after reducing my somewhat nice looking salary by the above essential expenses...not to mention the strain on my life and more importantly my kids' lives. Guess I will cont to work in my laundry room...:laundy: ;)

Kind of a bummer to give up a great opportunity, but the greatness wore off after I did the full calculations. :sad:

First, let me say GOOD FOR YOU for doing the math. As an accountant (now stay-at-home-mom), I always feel a little frustrated with friends who forget to factor in things like taxes and other expenses when calculating what their income is / will be when they look at working verses staying at home. For a lot of people, it just isn't worth it.

Second, it seems a lot of people have given you quotes on what the going rates are, and they may be accurate. However, I live in Tennessee, which I think is where you are from, and have many friends who do in-home day care and pay substantially less than what others have said. I have one friend who pays $100 / week for her infant son who is there 40 hours / week. She also pays nothing if her son is sick or when she is on vacation from work. My mom also used to keep infants in her home for around $25 / day, and that was all day care. (And in both cases, the kids received excellent care). Obviously, those are best case scenarios, but in both cases it was people who enjoyed being around kids and didn't mind the inconvenience of having them around for a few hours a day. I would suggest asking your neighbor / friend what she would like to be reimbursed. You may find that she is willing to do it for a rate that would be beneficial for her and yet still make financial sense for you. After reading what some people on here have quoted for this service, I'm wondering if I should try to go into business as an in-home childcare provider!
 
My mom is a nurse in Ohio and makes about 36/hr. plus overtime and that's just a 'standard nurse'- not even med surg or nurse manager. With only 12K in childcare costs and it 'not being worth it for you' it would seem TN pays their nurses crap. :( :confused3

I worked as an accountant for a company that owns outpatient surgery centers all over the country. Part of my job was to process their payroll, so I saw the payroll rates for nurses for all over, and the rates vary greatly depending on the market as well as cost of living for that area. $36 / hour is definitely on the higher end - not unheard of, but much higher than places in the midwest and south. Especially in places like Nashville that have a relatively low cost of living and no shortage of nurses due to the many universities in the area. I would guess rates in nashville to be more around $20 - $25 / hour. I wouldn't say $45 - $50k / year is "crap". In some areas of the country, maybe. But not in Nashville.
 
First, let me say GOOD FOR YOU for doing the math. As an accountant (now stay-at-home-mom), I always feel a little frustrated with friends who forget to factor in things like taxes and other expenses when calculating what their income is / will be when they look at working verses staying at home. For a lot of people, it just isn't worth it.

Second, it seems a lot of people have given you quotes on what the going rates are, and they may be accurate. However, I live in Tennessee, which I think is where you are from, and have many friends who do in-home day care and pay substantially less than what others have said. I have one friend who pays $100 / week for her infant son who is there 40 hours / week. She also pays nothing if her son is sick or when she is on vacation from work. My mom also used to keep infants in her home for around $25 / day, and that was all day care. (And in both cases, the kids received excellent care). Obviously, those are best case scenarios, but in both cases it was people who enjoyed being around kids and didn't mind the inconvenience of having them around for a few hours a day. I would suggest asking your neighbor / friend what she would like to be reimbursed. You may find that she is willing to do it for a rate that would be beneficial for her and yet still make financial sense for you. After reading what some people on here have quoted for this service, I'm wondering if I should try to go into business as an in-home childcare provider!

my disclosure-the first degree I received in college was in early childhood education which included a great deal of instruction on the legal issues of operating childcare in both centers and private homes (which the laws have greatly increased regarding in the many years since) that said-

if someone is accepting less than $3.15 per hour to care for an infant ($100 per week divided by 40 hours per week or $25 hours per day divided by 8 hours per day) on the basis of not minding the "inconvenience of having them around" it is not necessarily someone who is providing what many parents would consider as acceptable childcare (regarding providing the appropriate safeguards in the event of an accident or emergency).

i'm not knocking the childcare these people are providing, but honestly-I don't know anyone that would begin to consider hiring a babysitter for an evening out and paying anywhere as little as this amount.

as to considering going into business based on the amounts quoted in this thread-take into consideration the following:

if the number of children you potentially watch require licensing or not-if (god forbid) an accident or illness occurs that causes a parent to file (or their health insurance on their behalf) a claim on your homeowner or renter insurance about-absent having notified, contracted and paid that higher premium that childcare requires-you as provider are looking at substantial personal financial liability as well as cancellation that can result in unaffordable future coverage that is in violation of mortgage terms,

if you pickup or transport children for whom you receive financial compensation and are involved in an auto accident (even not at your fault), and your auto carrier finds you are using the auto that you've not notified, amended and paid them to use for "business purposes" was involved, count on your insurance being cancelled which will result in much higher premiums even if you discontinue child care, and yourself being liable for all expenses.


this may sound drastic, but it's the drastic situations that cause major issues.
even the minor issues can cause drastic issues. your well meaning, low paid neighbor is watching your child and 'just needs to run to the store for a second' so they take your kid along but because your kid doesn't normaly ride in their car they don't have their booster seat. there's a minor fender bender and your kid gets minor injuries. your health insurance says the couple of thousand in e/r fees are on the neighbor's car insurance, their car insurance says b/c no business insurance they aren't covering. you are left dealing with a former 'good neighbor friend' whose arguing that what you're asking for in med bills is more than what you agreed to pay her for 3 months of childcare:sad1::sad1: it's a very bad situation all around.


honestly, with childcare it's like everything else-you get what you pay for.
 
I was a nanny/ sitter for 13 years. I was never paid under 10$/hr. except for one family, for one night, and I never went back. I was in 6th grade.

In Florida and Omaha I made a bit more than in Arizona.
 












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