What would you have done?

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

First of all since these vaccines were under EUA they should have had MANDATORY reporting of all adverse events and unfortunately they were doing the opposite and some places mandated that you COULDN'T report any adverse events.

VAERS is not a perfect system but it very clearly shows that this is the worst vaccine for safety that has been on the market since VAERS was put in place. I don't even know what order of magnitude we are up to for how many more adverse events have been reported for the COVID vaccines than all other vaccines since VAERS inception. Any other time in history and these vaccines would have been pulled from the market. These are facts.

And yes, the VAERS reports are self-reported but what motivation would a person have for reporting events that didn't happen? Sure there are a few knuckleheads but all it would take is for the government to follow up on these reports. And are you discounting the reporting systems in other countries that corroborate our findings as well? It really shows that most don't know anything about how the safety profile for drugs/vaccines are actually created.

I missed that you quoted me on this. Where did I personally say people were lying? Do you think I was lying to V-Safe which is also self-report when I told them I had hot flashes or the other effects? Um no.

But there is a difference in a PP telling someone "go look up VAERS" and you'll see. The darn thing has been around for 30+ years and people are just now pointing to it like they've been an expert all along on it

It's a research tool to be used for more immediate feedback and thus more immediate review of safety not a diagnostic tool (which is why the PP got flack for their comment).

You're going to have to provide proof here that a place mandated someone could not input their information into VAERS or V-Safe. I know in my state we had stuff surrounding data collection via covid apps due to privacy concerns (not over anything else) but that was not about someone inputting their own data into VAERS or V-Safe.

 

[mjkacmom]

I’m not the one claiming to know more about infectious diseases than the CDC.

I trusted my friends and family who are doctors, nurses, microbiologists than my pizza delivery guy who I’m sure can read.

 

[fla4fun]

For those who know someone who recently got Covid do you know if they already had Covid within the last 1.5 years? Are we getting Omicron reinfections? That would be a serious bummer...

My sister did not catch Covid at all before her recent infection about a month ago. She was fully vaccinated and boosted, but it has been more than six months since her last booster. She works in a hotel, and is exposed to a lot of germs as a result. I do not know which variety she caught (it is my understanding that there are currently three variants circulating).

 

[mjkacmom]

It’s interesting, most of the people in my local facebook pages who are anti vax/conspiracy theorists are also MLM sellers for smoothies and essential oils.

 

[DCLMP]

It’s an interesting discussion. I’m not sure any of it matters anymore unless they try mandating them again. Everyone’s mind is set and I don’t see that changing.

 

[dvcgirl67]

It’s interesting, most of the people in my local facebook pages who are anti vax/conspiracy theorists are also MLM sellers for smoothies and essential oils.

That totally tracks.

 

[prairie_girl]

darn it, I messed up my quote..

 

[DCLMP]

What I was trying to convey is when you got it has a lot to do with it. If you got covid in March 2020 when it very first started (relatively speaking). The length of protection and the rate of reinfection has varied depending on which strain you got from the studies we know. Seemingly a lot of it brought on by questions surrounding Omicron.

I'm not discounting natural immunity brought on by an infection, I'm discussing your basis for viewpoint on the vaccine's effectiveness and why you're choosing not to get it (because you got it early and haven't gotten it again). Ultimately it's up to you but when you're commenting to people about how you have natural immunity so go you there's a lot more into it than you're giving credence to. You can get more information on it but those who got Omicron first were in some ways better off (in terms of the overall severity) but not better off in terms of reinfection.

My understanding from her previous post is she doesn’t believe the vaccine is safe.

 

[Smugpugmug]

It’s interesting, most of the people in my local facebook pages who are anti vax/conspiracy theorists are also MLM sellers for smoothies and essential oils.

Someone I went to high school with is in the MLM selling that cream that allegedly makes your hair fall out. I think it's called Monat?

 

[DCLMP]

It’s interesting, most of the people in my local facebook pages who are anti vax/conspiracy theorists are also MLM sellers for smoothies and essential oils.

What’s MLM?

 

[sam_gordon]

What’s MLM?

"Multi Level Marketing" (Pyramid Scheme)

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

My understanding from her previous post is she doesn’t believe the vaccine is safe.

..yes..I got that as well but that didn't have anything to do with my comments. It wasn't my point of contention.

 

[DCLMP]

"Multi Level Marketing" (Pyramid Scheme)

All my extra money has gone to Disney cruise line over the last decade. I wouldn’t even gave a clue what people buy.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

All my extra money has gone to Disney cruise line over the last decade. I wouldn’t even gave a clue what people buy.

MLM's are pretty well known and don't have anything to do with your spending habits on DCL

 

[DCLMP]

MLM's are pretty well known and don't have anything to do with your spending habits on DCL

I asked because I’ve never heard of it. Sounds like Im better off not knowing.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I asked because I’ve never heard of it. Sounds like Im better off not knowing.

That I would agree on

 

[BlueStarryHat]

There is no way for sure to make these claims. You can't know what would have happened without the vaccines. It could have been so much better, about the same or so much worse. These claims are without merit.

...and the claims you've posted? Any better than my personal experience with the virus? You are quite obviously anti-vax. I am not. Let's agree to go to neutral corners.

And how's this for timing? I was just texting with my sister. She tested positive for Covid today after having a sore throat for a couple of days that she hoped was something else. She's only had two vaccines; she didn't want any more. Now I get to worry about her.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

New Covid Strain May Evade Vaccines

Aug. 24, 2023 – A new strain of COVID-19 that was only identified a week ago in the U.S. has prompted the CDC to take the rare step of issuing a formal message that it could evade vaccines or the protection of natural immunity.

The strain is called BA.2.86 and is of particular concern because of its more than 30 mutations, which means it may behave very differently than previous versions of the virus. That number of mutations is on par with the difference between variants so serious that they were formally named, such as between Delta and Omicron, the CDC explained in the risk assessment issued Wednesday.
BA.2.86 may be more capable of causing infection in people who have previously had COVID-19 or who have received COVID-19 vaccines,” the CDC risk assessment stated.

 

[gottalovepluto]

New Covid Strain May Evade Vaccines

Aug. 24, 2023 – A new strain of COVID-19 that was only identified a week ago in the U.S. has prompted the CDC to take the rare step of issuing a formal message that it could evade vaccines or the protection of natural immunity.

The strain is called BA.2.86 and is of particular concern because of its more than 30 mutations, which means it may behave very differently than previous versions of the virus. That number of mutations is on par with the difference between variants so serious that they were formally named, such as between Delta and Omicron, the CDC explained in the risk assessment issued Wednesday.
BA.2.86 may be more capable of causing infection in people who have previously had COVID-19 or who have received COVID-19 vaccines,” the CDC risk assessment stated.

And yet somehow it’s not different enough to officially differentiate from Omicron
^This is why I asked about the previous infectious status of folks getting whacked now…

 

[gottalovepluto]

Can I say it’s nice having a DIScussion about this? Fresh air!

PSA- the Ignore Button is straight up gold for the nervous system