What role do the CL's play in this mess?

[BriarRosie]

How do I not get ANY of these messages??

The answer:

Radar​

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CL_RealLabGirl; CL_Maltoo; countless other CLs​

 

[Danola]

I just want to add in my knowledge (or lack of) as well. I am CL and have even told staff that I would always be happy to help at any time. I've never been to a impromptu meeting of any type and I wasn't asked to help in any way. I do have a friend who is CL and one of her rooms is part of the maze. I don't know how she was approached and ended up helping in that way. I suspect that as time goes on, and it becomes more known which CL's can and are able to help with these things that it will evolve. Without naming any names there does seem to be a handful of CL who are for whatever reason in good graces with staff and testers. There have been posts made on other sites about this "charmed circle" of people, lol.. But that is getting into an ugly area, and we dont' want to go there!

Long story short.. (I know, too late) Very few CL's helped and I doubt they had anything to do with any planning.

What exactly do you mean by "Charmed Circle" ?

 

[BriarRosie]

What exactly do you mean by "Charmed Circle" ?

Sounds like a can o' worms to me. Probably best left closed.

By the way, it was nice to meet you yesterday. Enjoyed your Haunted
Mansion room.

 

[GBShorts]

I'm wondering if that CL note was only sent to CL's who were online at the time?? Hmm.

 

[Goofy05]

I'm wondering if that CL note was only sent to CL's who were online at the time?? Hmm.

Hmmm, Possibly. I, too got these messages. However, there was no information on where these rooms were, when help would be needed, how to enter a room without waiting in the "Lost Connection" lines or what to do if you got into a maze room! LOL So, I did not help with the mazes, either. I attempted the difficult maze numerous time with no luck. I completed the medium maze, although I can't tell you how!
I DID feel bad for some of the CL's who were stuck in their rooms for the entire day Saturday. I would have loved to give them breaks, but I would not have been able to control the turnstile. What's a CL to do?
Maybe, if they do another huge event in the near future, they can have a fast pass type system for everyone? That way the number of people waiting in the lines would be controlled.

 

[bevgray]

I never received a message either regarding helping but I had lost connection about the time everyone said they received the message so it may be it was just those logged in at the time.

"What is a CL to do? I wasn't asked to help. No one asked me to volunteer." In the real world, one does not always wait to be asked or invited to help. We have many Community Leaders in VMK now and it may be difficult to keep us all straight. How many of you have been part of some event in the real world and heard the "I will be glad to help" from assorted individuals...only to find them vanished when the time actually comes or not able to recall who actually offered to help. The CL program is definitely evolving and it is likely the Staff still is not sure just how to utilize this support group. I think, even with all the flaws this weekend (and there were some huge ones) that the Staff is learning that CLs can be a very big part of the effort to give the rest of VMK a happy kingdom. Perhaps it is necessary to make your opportunities rather than waiting for staff to come find you.

In my case, I had several of the maze-builder Community Leaders on my friend list. Saturday, I just started sending out messages to them to see if any of them needed help. Consequently, I spent a good part of Saturday and Sunday monitoring the first Haunted Mansion room of the difficult maze trying to keep the flow of guests moving through the room.

For those who lost connection in that room, part of the trouble lay in the guests that insisted on grouping at the door. It would be very nice if the adult guests would teach their young guests that when someone asks you to clear a door, that they leave the room. I had several instances when guests refused to leave and had to send for the room owner to boot them.

Oh, and for those curious, no, I did not receive the Leota pin nor do I have a bunch of Staff on my list. I just did what I always do in VMK. Try to find an area where help seems to be needed and go attend to it.

CL_TinkerBlue

 

[Maleficent2]

"What is a CL to do? I wasn't asked to help. No one asked me to volunteer." In the real world, one does not always wait to be asked or invited to help. We have many Community Leaders in VMK now and it may be difficult to keep us all straight. How many of you have been part of some event in the real world and heard the "I will be glad to help" from assorted individuals...only to find them vanished when the time actually comes or not able to recall who actually offered to help. The CL program is definitely evolving and it is likely the Staff still is not sure just how to utilize this support group. I think, even with all the flaws this weekend (and there were some huge ones) that the Staff is learning that CLs can be a very big part of the effort to give the rest of VMK a happy kingdom. Perhaps it is necessary to make your opportunities rather than waiting for staff to come find you.

TinkerBlue

I am glad you could help your friends with their rooms. I also see you are responding to Goofy05 post but I think you missed the whole point of this thread...the op was guestioning what part's CL's played in this event being that there has been some acquisitions that the CL's are getting special treatment and gifts from STAFF. If in fact the CL's are part of an elitist group who get preferential treatment in the game. Maybe you did not miss that point and just wanted to chastise us CL's who did not help because we were not asked.


I do not think that any CL that has responded to this post is fussing about not receiving the PM to help. I think they are responding to the questions on what part did the CL's play in this FIASCO and most have replied NOT MUCH.

As far as keeping us all straight...there should be a master list that has all CL's on it and if a PM is sent out it should be sent out to all CLs or posted on the VMK home page so that all CLs can see it. If there is a CL meeting this too should be made known to all CLs not to a select few whoever they might be.

Saturday I could not of helped if I wanted too because VMK was closed for the better part of the day for me and when it was open I continually got disconnected. And Sunday was not much better.

I do beleive that by applying for the CL title we were telling VMK that we are willing to help whenever we can, that said it is not my place to go chasing down staff to bug them about helping out, it goes without saying that we(CL's) want to help and want nothing in return for that help.

Also for CL's to really be able to help during an event such as this they would need limited powers to be able to do some of the things that staff can do for the duration of said event.

1. they should have sent PM to all CL weeks ago.

2. they should have set up some kind of rotation with CL's with back up CL's if for some unseen reason a CL was unable to fulfill his or her duty.

3. they should if they are going to have CL meeting invite all CL's not just a limited few who happen to be online and playing VMK at the time.

4. stop having events all together and focus on Magic within the game.

as always these are just MHO for what they are worth

Mal

 

[bevgray]

Oh no, I was not chastising anyone. I was merely trying to point out ways that we as community leaders could help staff get to know US better. I do believe that the community leader "program" is not organized whatsoever. However, this event at least utilized a few. I agree there should be a master list but, perhaps, the Staff is also waiting to see who actually "steps up to the plate" in different ways and who just accepts their nice little badge and hangs out with friends and does nothing to help guests or staffs. Now, you know there are a few of those as well as I do. There are also many leaders who do work the public rooms and try to help guests. There is a tendency in our society to sit back and wait to be asked. I am merely pointing out that, if you truly want to help, you may need to be a bit more proactive about it.

Personally, I don't think the Staff really knows what they want the CLs to do yet. It may well be that they are waiting for the current crop to start taking the lead on a few things. This is one reason I had the Cinderella Ball event a couple of weeks ago. It was a way I could create a little event for guests. No one asked me to do so. No staff heard about it and came by to see what was going on. I purchased the pins to give away to the guests and rarely got even a thank you. Yet, I think the guests that dropped in had a good time.

The leaders that were "selected" to create the maze rooms had already demonstrated a skill in creating interesting rooms. The event could have been much better organized, certainly far more CLs should have been involved but at least the first baby steps have been taken. By all means make your constructive criticisms about how to improve things for the next event. Make suggestions for utilizing CLs better. But send it to VMK so they know what you are thinking. That is what I mean by being more proactive.

I too want to make VMK a very special place for all of us. But we need to help. They can't read our minds and they may not have time to read every post on every forum with constructive and not-so constructive criticism.

 

[PurpleDuck]

Okay, I normally skip putting my two cents into a lot of threads, as others may have already stated my view. However, VMK is "messing with my feathers" lately, so it's time I made that two cents work a little.

[RANT is on] I have had quite a few people on VMK suggest that I apply to be a CL. I do so enjoy helping people out, (personal fave: helping the ones that are down to looking for their last few hidden mickeys) with the game. I have flatly replied "NO WAY", as I will not have myself 'tethered' with this nondescript title!

Where does VMK 'get off' by granting this title as though it were a 'carrot on a stick'? Other than the badge, and 'CL_' in front of the title, all I seem to see and hear, is horror stories! Being hounded to be friends on vmk, having no relative clue about VMK events and goings on, not being able to adequately answer questions due to verbiage restrictions, etc.

VMK (Disney) should have, from the beginning, established a 'job description' for this title. I know they have explained to the CLs about their rights/responsibilities and lack of perks with it, but there should be a portion of that description that identifies what VMK's responsibilities are to those CLs. Where is the part about treating all of them fairly? When there are to be meetings, can these not be scheduled ahead of time, and notice given out a day or two in advance so that more might be able to set aside time for a meeting, and plan to be there? How about asking the CLs for their input on FAQ, and providing those answers in a section of the homepage, such as, just what scores it does take to achieve certain awards/prizes? Now that would go a long ways toward avoiding the need to break the verbiage restrictions! Doh! Hey, can you say, "Guest, please read the (ie) game prize part of the home page"? Too simple an idea huh VMK? There are a lot more situations like this I could go on about, but I know you already are tired of reading this, so I will move on.

I have about 10 CL's on my friends list, and I am glad I knew them before they became CL's too, as I might have been perceived as being one of the 'hounds' attempting to to simply 'be friends with a CL' like it was a status symbol! (Okay Mal, you are an exception, I did not 'know' you other than here on DIS before friending you, but I do know you know me well enough that it was as a friend, not for your 'CL'. Hey, AC rocks!)

So, thanks just the same VMK, but 'no thanks'. I will continue to be myself, and help out others without the 'burden' you seem to want to inflict, on these most kind and generous CLs you have. [RANT is off]

 

[Dis-Wiz]

I don't think it was cl fault

 

[Loves Disney]

I was never asked to help put the maze together and I would have loved to help. I didn't even get the message sent out to all the community leaders until a hour before they opened the thing. So, at noon I go to the maze room and a VMK staff member who was there (will not say her name) I told her that I got the message and would love to help out in any way possible. She said you need to go through the maze and ask another VMK staff member (will not say her name) at the end. So, I proceeded through the coffin teleporter and numerous times I was sent to the entrance of the room. So, as determined as I was to get to that cast member to help out, I continued to restart the maze; waiting in the ridiculously large queue, and then going yet again through the coffin teleporter. After I made it a few rooms down and after several times being brought to the entrance I started to lost connection. I simply grew tired of "wasting" my time trying to get to the staff member just to ask if I coudl help. I left the maze and continued playing vmk eventhough it was crashing and closing. The next day I found myself in a room of the maze and another VMK staff member was there (different one) I asked her if I could help out and she seemed overly happy I asked. She yes please do if it is no trouble to you. She said that they really needed the help. My question is why couldn't the staff member from the day before tell I could help rather than send me through the maze to ask another staff? After a while my help proved useful.

Another thing from a post I read earlier in this thread, I became community leader because I very much enjoy helping people and not because I wanted to seem superior. I would never want to seem that way ever.

I think that some people became very frustrated with vmk this past weekend (the children especially) and some people are starting to look for things to blame. It was just a mistake made by vmk. Everyone makes mistakes.

 

[HappyBoy]

My situation was similar. Could never get thru a maze to offer help. I did send a message to staff offering help, but no reply (guess that was not the way to do it).

As far as special CL treatment... I want some!
Haven't seen it anywhere...
Most of us CLs enjoy helping wherever we can, not just in events, but all over the game, be it answering questions, showing a new player what a hidden mickey is and how to get credits, or teaching someone pirates. After watching the CLs who did manage to stay in a room long enough to help with the event and deal with all of us cranky crashy folks, I say THUMBS UP. They deserve special treatment. That had to be difficult.

 

[SeaKing]

This is probably going to cheese some people off, but since a CL brought it up, I'm gonna ask it.

I was just waiting in line for the Difficult maze. 45 minutes to get into the room. Walk in, go through the line, lose connection JUST as I was entering teleporter. Fun, no?

So as we were waiting in line, everyone else is discussing how many times they have lost connection, and how they hope they don't lose connection this time. Many of the people stating this were also "dancing" in the line. Based on my experience in some of the game rooms where dancing and magic are not allowed because they slow down the game, I said (truly trying to be helpful) "You have less chance of crashing if you don't dance. Dancing slows down everything."

To which a person behind me replied, "So do hippos" referring to the multiple hippo ponds the CL owner of the room had as we were waiting in line for the maze. The owner got upset and started berating the people in line. "Do you people know how hard we have all worked on this?"

A few people in line mumbled "Yes" "a lot"

CL replies "I just want to make sure you all know."

Well, the thing is, I DON'T know how hard the CL's have worked on this. I have some good friends who are CL's and they have never mentioned a word about having anything to do with the planning or execution of this, or of working on it in any way whatsoever. Aside from seeing a few mentions after the big CL pow-wow a month or so ago that they would be using the CL rooms to do this, I hadn't heard that any CL's had anything at all to do with the planning of this.

My understanding was that this was all pretty much organized and put together by the VMK staff. Are we now saying that the CL's helped plan this?
If so, how much? And do they shoulder some of the blame for how poorly it all turned out? Just curious, because we're pointing a lot of fingers at VMK staff and all cheesed off at them. If the CL's had some hand in it, they need to say so.

Yes, it was my room. And if you didn't know how hard we worked just so you could get a few pixeled prizes, your out of your mind. When I got upset about that, I thought it was some smart alec comment. Which it probably was intended to be. Dancing does slow down the game. MickeysBuddy doesn't allow it in his game either.

Honestly, alot of CL's I knew barely even cared about this event. Some even bashed it. I only had VMK_Babs fill in for me a few times, which was very nice of her. I think you'd get just a little grumpy after working 10 hours, even though I chose to do it. I did it for you, and all I get is ungratefulness.

Seriously.

 

[Maleficent2]

.Originally Posted by SeaKing
Yes, it was my room. And if you didn't know how hard we worked just so you could get a few pixeled prizes, your out of your mind. When I got upset about that, I thought it was some smart alec comment. Which it probably was intended to be. Dancing does slow down the game. MickeysBuddy doesn't allow it in his game either.

Honestly, alot of CL's I knew barely even cared about this event. Some even bashed it. I only had VMK_Babs fill in for me a few times, which was very nice of her. I think you'd get just a little grumpy after working 10 hours, even though I chose to do it. I did it for you, and all I get is ungratefulness

SeaKing

with that attitude you will probably not get much more. There was no need to be rude to people here or to people who were in your room suffering through all the crashes, stalls and mess that VMK was having that day.
I beleive everyone knows how hard it is to build a maze and how much time and energy you spent doing it and working it. And were thankful that you and the others did them so we could have alittle fun. I beleivemost people know it was not your fault VMK was having problems. Be the bigger person and thank people for trying to play your maze instead of belittling them.

there is a saying " you catch more flies with honey than you do vinegar" remember it.

 

[SeaKing]

SeaKing

with that attitude you will probably not get much more. There was no need to be rude to people here or to people who were in your room suffering through all the crashes, stalls and mess that VMK was having that day.
I beleive everyone knows how hard it is to build a maze and how much time and energy you spent doing it and working it. And were thankful that you and the others did them so we could have alittle fun. I beleivemost people know it was not your fault VMK was having problems. Be the bigger person and thank people for trying to play your maze instead of belittling them.

there is a saying " you catch more flies with honey than you do vinegar" remember it.

With that attitude...Rude to people here?

Oh jeez I'm about to have a field day with this.

I was not the original "rude" person here. I was bashed because I had hippo rugs, and people getting so angry over a freaking hippo rug.

I never "belittled" anyone. I thanked alot of people for appreciating what I did. But it's people like the original poster who, apparently don't seem to care about our time. I mean, look at ned. Jesus, He worked 12 hours. He didn't ask for anything, and still bashing of him goes on.

And you, didn't decipher my post well. Where was I being rude to people that crashed? me and CL_figgiefig have a list of people that multiple times, crashed or lost connection. You call that being rude? If so, you're out of your mind.

 

[GBShorts]

SeaKing

with that attitude you will probably not get much more. There was no need to be rude to people here or to people who were in your room suffering through all the crashes, stalls and mess that VMK was having that day.
I beleive everyone knows how hard it is to build a maze and how much time and energy you spent doing it and working it. And were thankful that you and the others did them so we could have alittle fun. I beleivemost people know it was not your fault VMK was having problems. Be the bigger person and thank people for trying to play your maze instead of belittling them.

there is a saying " you catch more flies with honey than you do vinegar" remember it.

I thought Poseidon did an excellent job in his room yesterday. He did his best to keep his temper despite the horrid things people said about him.

I agree that many knew how hard they worked but I also disagree that EVERYONE knows how hard. If they knew how hard, they wouldn't have made those awful comments to him.

It wasn't his maze, it was VMK's. He was only asked to host the entrance. I thought it took a great deal of UMPH for a 15 year old to spend 10 hours double clicking a turnstile every 15 seconds.

Nobody was happy about this event, not even those who got through, I don't think. Let's all just leave our ugliness behind because ultimately we're upset about the EVENT, not at each other.

 

[SeaKing]

And I admit, my post there was a bit rude, but all I'm doing is trying to put a point out. If you didn't have a good time, I'm sorry. But we tried our best to allow you, and technical problems wouldn't allow it.

 

[KathyTX]

A gentle reminder to everyone:

Posts on the DISboards need to be respectful toward other posters. Arguing, insults and personal attacks are not allowed here.

If you feel your blood pressure starting to rise, please back away from the keyboard.

 

[Maleficent2]

He did his best to keep his temper despite the horrid things people said about him.

No one on this board has to my knowledge said anything horrible to him.

With that attitude...Rude to people here?With that attitude...Rude to people here?

Oh jeez I'm about to have a field day with this.

I was not the original "rude" person here. I was bashed because I had hippo rugs, and people getting so angry over a freaking hippo rug.

I never "belittled" anyone. I thanked alot of people for appreciating what I did. But it's people like the original poster who, apparently don't seem to care about our time. I mean, look at ned. Jesus, He worked 12 hours. He didn't ask for anything, and still bashing of him goes on.

And you, didn't decipher my post well. Where was I being rude to people that crashed? me and CL_figgiefig have a list of people that multiple times, crashed or lost connection. You call that being rude? If so, you're out of your mine

Sorry I must have missed all these posts about Ned and you. Being Bashed so horribly.

I never said you were being rude to people who crashed I was referring to the comments you had quoated in your first post that you were alleged to have made. If you did not make them then I stand corrected and am sorry.

By the way I am not out of my MIND. I read you post the way you wrote it directed to us here at the DIS. If that is not how you meant it then I think you need to explain that instead of telling me I am out of my mind.

I thought Poseidon did an excellent job in his room yesterday. He did his best to keep his temper despite the horrid things people said about him.

He may have done, but I did not read anyone here making those comments and he directed his response to us as DISers not at the people on VMK...at least that is the way he wrote it.

Mal

 

[disvaclub92]

And I admit, my post there was a bit rude, but all I'm doing is trying to put a point out. If you didn't have a good time, I'm sorry. But we tried our best to allow you, and technical problems wouldn't allow it.

Thanks for all of your efforts in the event. I passed you several times and I give you lots of credit for clicking that Turnstile. You sure do deserve a reward for the time spent.