What is going on with the FP+ crackdown?

[DonaldDuck77]

There was a thread, and one mod they said they would allow it, and then it got deleted. I think because if you post I tried XXX today and no issues you are promoting the cheating of the system.

Right. I think fishing for clues is prohibited. Or spreading ideas of ways to cheat.

I just thought we would have seen by now someone whose vacation was ruined because their MDE was locked due to something they didn't know was wrong. And I think the moderator allowed it because that is what she thought was happening at first. When it turned to fishing, it was deleted. But the thread was initially OK.

 

[AnnaKat]

It's poorly written on the WDW website but I believe the rule for FP with AP is this:

If you are staying off site, you can get 7 days of FP.

If you are staying on site, you can get 7 days of FP or the length of your stay, whichever is longer, up to a maximum of 14 days.

So, if you have an on site stay of 18 days, you can only get FP for 14 days. If you have an on site stay of 12 days, you can get FP for all 12 days.

 

[Shanti]

they do have a high price option already -- the VIP tours give you unlimited FPs.

Yes, and Early Morning Magic eliminates the need for 3 FPs at MK, and the new Illuminations Dessert Party will eliminate the need for one Tier 1 FP at Epcot. So they already are charging for ways to get more access to rides.

I don't see them doing a straight-up "3 more FPs for $50", because they'd actually be selling themselves short doing that. Too many people would buy that rather than be persuaded to stay onsite to get the 60+ FPs and EMH, and the resorts are where a lot of WDW's money comes from.

 

[Boski]

Right. I think fishing for clues is prohibited. Or spreading ideas of ways to cheat.

I just thought we would have seen by now someone whose vacation was ruined because their MDE was locked due to something they didn't know was wrong. And I think the moderator allowed it because that is what she thought was happening at first. When it turned to fishing, it was deleted. But the thread was initially OK.

There was a report on another site.

 

[AnnaKat]

Yes, and Early Morning Magic eliminates the need for 3 FPs at MK, and the new Illuminations Dessert Party will eliminate the need for one Tier 1 FP at Epcot. So they already are charging for ways to get more access to rides.

I don't see them doing a straight-up "3 more FPs for $50", because they'd actually be selling themselves short doing that. Too many people would buy that rather than be persuaded to stay onsite to get the FPs and EMH, and the resorts are where a lot of WDW's money comes from.

IF they offered onsite guests 2 additional any park/any ride FPs per day,
for a small upcharge, they would certainly encourage onsite stays.

The any park/any ride FPs would not have to be given until check-in;
Paper FPs could be given @ check-in,
or electronic ones placed into your MDE.


AK guest relations was kind & gave us an extra electronic any ride FP for each of our 7 remaining days(after deleting 2 days to get down to the 7).

So we rode Soarin with our booked-@-60 days FP,
and rode again right after with the
any ride FP

It would be worth paying a small upcharge to receive 1-2 any ride FPs during an onsite stay.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Not going to disagree with you on this one. It doesn't make any sense to me either. Neither does paying for a VIP tour. But it does to some. Doesn't make them wrong. Or me right. Makes us value how we spend our money differently. And when you are talking about how someone spends the money they earn you (the collective you) can't give say what makes sense and what doesn't.

Buying more passes only encourages them to charge more...that is simple micro Econ on the Supply and Demand curve...

But what I said was "common sense"...and the responses were personal choice and value determination.

Common sense is defined by "basic ability to perceive, judge and understand things shared by nearly all people and can be reasonably be expected to be agreed upon without need for debate"

Buying double tickets for fastpasses on old rides that a person has likely been on already 50 times is viewed as insane by a reasonable populace in a functioning society.

Personal choice and market valuations are up to the individual...which is why I agree people have the right to screw then up 50% of the time on average.

 

[DisneyMom93]

They do not take any of the info on your DL, and you can use any other form of picture ID. My youngest son used his high school ID. There is nothing to keep a person from having 2 APs linked to separate MDE accounts.

Oh ok. Thanks.

 

[DisneyMom93]

IF they offered onsite guests 2 additional any park/any ride FPs per day,
for a small upcharge, they would certainly encourage onsite stays.

The any park/any ride FPs would not have to be given until check-in;
Paper FPs could be given @ check-in,
or electronic ones placed into your MDE.


AK guest relations was kind & gave us an extra electronic any ride FP for each of our 7 remaining days(after deleting 2 days to get down to the 7).

So we rode Soarin with our booked-@-60 days FP,
and rode again right after with the
any ride FP

It would be worth paying a small upcharge to receive 1-2 any ride FPs during an onsite stay.

Or you'd get more throwaway bookings.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

Buying double tickets for fastpasses on old rides that a person has likely been on already 50 times is viewed as insane by a reasonable populace in a functioning society.

Buying additional FP through any means (including buying additional park admissions) is a value judgement. And using my calculations, I would be paying $7 per additional FP+. If Disney sold 3 FP+ bundles for $21/day, they would have an endless stream of happy customers. Just look at Universal for proof.

Paying twice as much to get nothing more would lack common sense. Paying twice as much and receiving enough more to make it worth it to an individual is a value judgement. The two are not the same.

 

[AnnaKat]

Or you'd get more throwaway bookings.

The extra FPs would only be for length of stay ONSITE.

 

[mustinjourney]

Right. I think fishing for clues is prohibited. Or spreading ideas of ways to cheat.

I just thought we would have seen by now someone whose vacation was ruined because their MDE was locked due to something they didn't know was wrong. And I think the moderator allowed it because that is what she thought was happening at first. When it turned to fishing, it was deleted. But the thread was initially OK.

The fact that there are not multiple postings reporting being locked out should be telling.

 

[mustinjourney]

Or you'd get more throwaway bookings.

I'm a little surprised people aren't fired up about people doing this. Booking rooms that aren't being used drives up hotel prices for everyone. And it also prevents some people from even going to Disney at all.

 

[Boski]

The fact that there are not multiple postings reporting being locked out should be telling.

Maybe everyone read the rules and decided to stop this scam?

 

[jknezek]

I'm a little surprised people aren't fired up about people doing this. Booking rooms that aren't being used drives up hotel prices for everyone. And it also prevents some people from even going to Disney at all.

Fort Wilderness probably bears the brunt of this since it is the cheapest way to stay on property and you can have 10 to a site. If you frequent Fort groups in places there are lots of ticked off people. Especially at times like Memorial Day when Pandora opened and The Fort was sold out but there were many open sites.

 

[amcc]

I'm a little surprised people aren't fired up about people doing this. Booking rooms that aren't being used drives up hotel prices for everyone. And it also prevents some people from even going to Disney at all.

It is very upsetting.

 

[AngiTN]

There was a report on another site.

It was a second or maybe even third hand report. Hearsay at best. And just one so far

I'm a little surprised people aren't fired up about people doing this. Booking rooms that aren't being used drives up hotel prices for everyone. And it also prevents some people from even going to Disney at all.

This disturbs me way more than any FP issue, outside of non ticketed MB FB.

 

[mikebb]

This disturbs me way more than any FP issue, outside of non ticketed MB FB.

Based on the popularity of the sticky thread in TPAS on this very site, you (and I) are in the minority in being ticked off about the throwaway room "loophole". Frankly, I'm surprised Disney is coming down now on these other FP loopholes and not the throwaway room one, as one might think that's a bigger $ loser for them (in the form of lost incidental spending from people who cant book rooms/campsites due to all the throwaways.)

 

[Boski]

It was a second or maybe even third hand report. Hearsay at best. And just one so far

Perhaps you were on the wrong board? This was someone who shared their lock out experience personally.

 

[AngiTN]

Perhaps you were on the wrong board? This was someone who shared their lock out experience personally.

Clearly I am. The only other place I saw a post was not first hand report

 

[AngiTN]

Based on the popularity of the sticky thread in TPAS on this very site, you (and I) are in the minority in being ticked off about the throwaway room "loophole". Frankly, I'm surprised Disney is coming down now on these other FP loopholes and not the throwaway room one, as one might think that's a bigger $ loser for them (in the form of lost incidental spending from people who cant book rooms/campsites due to all the throwaways.)

Yep, I see FP as something not tangible. It's air, carries no true monetary value. The room/campsite, etc that is booked and not used is different. That is a physical item that is not used and something that someone else could use and could spend additional monies on when using it. Those who can't book the space they want at Disney are having to book elsewhere so Disney is loose out twice on them.