Yup, seriously. I think it is really important to keep in mind that there are often two sides to every argument, not just one's own perspective.
No, you didn't "simply" point that out, but let's not get back into that cycle. You wrote something that cast other posters in a bad light, and I highlighted how that was inappropriate. Let's just go forward not doing that anymore, okay?
I do have a bigger issue with all this, but it isn't anything against the swaps, specifically, but rather with regard to the unfounded expectations within some guests that participate in the swaps, that the swaps highlight. Earlier a poster outlined that they like the camaraderie and socialization aspect of the swaps. I see that as a positive thing. Where the swaps go wrong, imho, is when participants start thinking of them as "righting a wrong" committed by Disney, and when participants start thinking that they're entitled to unilaterally impose changes to the terms and conditions of their arrangement with Disney, vis a vis the swaps. It's practically never up-front and out-right; it's something that bubbles under the surface, but still offensive, and destructive to the overall experience for all guests, i.e., the ones beyond those engaging in the swaps.
Is that like "hate the sin, not the sinner"? What it comes down to, again, is that you tried to cast what other people was saying in a negative light to try to defend your counter-perspective. That's okay, but so is turnabout.
Why not? What is wrong with people acknowledging their own limits and living within their own means?
Somehow I doubt you'll let me have the last word. For me it isn't about last word, but rather presenting the points that your comments prompt me to think of. It's called a discussion.
Actually, I remember reading that one reason why the Grand Floridian doesn't get higher rated is because they let folks roam the hotel even if they're not Grand Floridian guests. A lot of WDW fans actually praise Disney for that aspect, something that hotel reviewers count against them.
HAHA That's kinda the point of this thread - Disney has put a stop to it. Almost all the fridges that were once in Swap circulation are now 'Missing'.
I'm pretty sure that's a clear message from Disney that it was getting to be a little too much.
I would imagine most people would agree - but it's pretty hard to "Lose" a Mini-Fridge.
They aren't like a black Mickey Mouse shaped pin-back.
They are large - typically dealing in cubic feet. Not something that can be dropped or misplaced and easily lost.
Only time will tell if the fridge swaps start up again and gain as much popularity as they had - and if the fridges stay 'found' or disappear again.
Makes sense. They probably couldn't demand what would be "6*" pricing for their 5* hotel, so it would be irresponsible to incur that cost.
Actually, as you said that is just 'one' reason and to me a puzzling one at that. I've wandered different hotels of various grades and only rarely recall running into an obstacle against doing so. I remember signs at the Queen Mary and the Hotel del Coronado asking people not to pass unless they were hotel guests. There was nothing to stop anyone from simply walking past the signs though and I can't imagine the staff at the Hotel Del stopping people and asking for proof that they were guests. I don't remember wandering through a Four Seasons in fairness though.
We stayed at one of those once. We were next to a "gate" into the WDW complex and I was amazed at how quickly we arrived at the parks each morning. Well, except for MK - that one seems far away for everyone unless you're staying in MK resort area.I will agree about the transportation. Even if off-site hotels offer it to the theme parks, it isn't as reliable or regular as the disney transport system.
However, I disagree about location. There are lots of off-site places that are closer to the parks than some of the Disney hotels.
But another factor in amenities and cost may have to do with the fact that the rooms are always full and get more use. With rooms in constant use the carpets, bedspreads, blowdryers, coffee makers, fridges, etc. have to be replaced much more frequently. Not saying that you're not paying for location, but I'm sure the upkeep factors into the cost of the room.Nobody's going to win an argument that the amenities at the deluxes compare to other hotels in their price range. Even a $40 room at La Quinta offers continental breakfast and free WiFi.
Gee so I should be OK with a room that doesn't meet the standards.
The excuses we make for Disney amaze me. If you checked into that LaQuinta and it looked worn or tired would you be saying "well it's OK" No, but at Disney we allow them to provide less? REALLY??????
Gee so I should be OK with a room that doesn't meet the standards.
The excuses we make for Disney amaze me. If you checked into that LaQuinta and it looked worn or tired would you be saying "well it's OK" No, but at Disney we allow them to provide less? REALLY??????
Perhaps; perhaps not; but that still doesn't justify casting folks who choose to stay at Disney resorts in the manner you're casting them, without making it clear when the question is raised that you didn't actually intend to make it sound like you're accusing them as being practically delusional (and laughing at them, to boot).
Occam's Razor: "the simplest answer is often correct". si-am said 'stay somewhere else'; not 'upgrade' or 'spend more money on a more expensive Walt Disney World resort'.HoltDisney07 said:
