What do your points cost?

JimMIA

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From time to time, we see posts (usually involving the economics of an owner renting out their points) that indicate some really have no idea how much one of their points cost them. To properly value our DVC ownership, we should all know our approximate cost. Otherwise, how do we know if we're getting a good value or terrible value for things like cruises, exchanges, stays at the Poly, etc? Or whether we're making money or losing money when we rent our points out?

I'll give an example.

I own an OKW contract which I purchased for $72 per point including closing. At the time I purchased it, I had a full 37 years remaining on the contract, so my acquisition cost was $1.95 per point. That cost remains constant throughout my ownership.

For this year, my dues are $4.97 per point, and that figure will obviously change each year as the dues change. So my total cost in 2011 is $6.92.

Therefore, my May two-weeknight stay in an OKW 1 BR cost 54 points @ $6.92, or $373.68 ($186.84 per night). That's not the best deal in town, but not a bad value for those accommodations. (You don't want to know what the other three nights at Wyndham's Bonnet Creek are costing me!)

If you finance, the math changes, of course. To get an accurate acquisition cost for a financed contract, you have two choices...IMHO. If it's already paid off, obviously you just add your down payment and the total of the payments you made, divide by the number of years remaining when you purchased, and you've got it. Add this year's dues cost and you have your real cost for each point.

If it's not yet paid off -- or if you're considering a financed purchase -- I think the only sensible way to calculate your real cost is to add your down payment and any costs, plus the total of the monthly payments in the loan agreement. (Yes, you might pay it off early and save some interest, but to be safe I would not plan on that. I'd rather be pleasantly surprised than unpleasantly surprised.)

If you're so inclined, you can throw in things like "opportunity costs," but for most owners those calculations are probably not worth worrying about.

Interesting exercise that you might want to try...
 
Good post, thanks! I keep thinking I should set up a spreadsheet or something to do this for us. We just closed our 2 contracts last October and 10 days ago :)
 
JimMIA - just a comment on your factoid - There was no steel used in the making of the Eiffel tower - it is made of iron!!!
 
Great info. Figured out our buy in cost with closing - $70.25 with 44 years left on contact when bouhgt. Our week in March in a THV/2bdrm BCV is costing us $2025. Not cheap, but cheap when compared to Disney prices even with discount. Plenty of room for my family to spread out and relax.:goodvibesThat's what makes me really happy.
 

Kinda wish I hadn't just done this little exercise. I figured out that each night in our BWV Grand Villa this May will cost over $800. Holy Moly, I NEVER would have anticipated we were spending that much!!! :eek:
 
JimMIA - just a comment on your factoid - There was no steel used in the making of the Eiffel tower - it is made of iron!!!
Crazy French mess me up every time! Pobody's Nerfect!
 
Kinda wish I hadn't just done this little exercise. I figured out that each night in our BWV Grand Villa this May will cost over $800. Holy Moly, I NEVER would have anticipated we were spending that much!!! :eek:

Over $800 a night might sound like a lot, but its still a bargain. According to Mousesavers, the rack rate for a BWV Grand Villa in May 2011 is $1,880 a night. And that doesn't include the hotel tax, which is over 10%. It looks like you are "saving" at least $1,000 to $1,200 a night! So what are you going to do with all that money you are saving????:goodvibes
 
Kinda wish I hadn't just done this little exercise. I figured out that each night in our BWV Grand Villa this May will cost over $800. Holy Moly, I NEVER would have anticipated we were spending that much!!! :eek:
Sure, but look what you're getting for that -- room size, amenities, LOCATION, etc. You're getting good value, and you will as long as you stay within DVC.

In many places, you could pay $800 per night for a little-better-than-average hotel room.
 
I'm going to have to figure this out later. You are right it is inportant to know how much your points really cost. I will say I financed and even adding in intrest I figured out that I will break even in less than 10 years. I also figured out last night that if I pay an extra $25 a month I'll pay off my loan a year early! :banana:
 
Thanks for that information, I liked breaking it down to see what the actual cost is. I have to say I never thought of it like that before. Although we just bought in this past June, I thought the dollar amount I came up with for our nightly stay was a bargin.
 
It is definitely interesting to see how things work out. Based on my buy in prices and total points, its about $2.07 per point for my BLT purchase.

So, for my 2011 trip, 256 points, and BLT fees of $3.90, this trip is $1529. The rack rate for the room is $3825 so saving about 60%. I can handle that!!!
 
To me, the real value of this is not comparing our DVC cost to rack rates. It should be no surprise that we save money over rack rates!

IMHO, the most helpful use of this information is comparing other options.

For example, on my upcoming split stay, I learned that I am paying a fraction of my DVC cost for my Wyndham Bonnet Creek stay (DVC, about $187 per night; Wyndham $49). (Part of that is just a fluke -- the normal price would be $81 for Wyndham.)

Another example would be exchanges -- like using DVC/RCI vs. renting directly through a realtor or owner of a vacation property (e.g. for a ski vacation).

If your DVC account is your total vacation lodging budget, you'll know whether you're getting good value or not. If you can choose between renting for cash and exchanging through DVC/RCI, this gives you a rational way of comparing your options.
 
Even though I did not finance I figure in what I could have made with the $ I paid if it was in medium term treasuries (3%) and run a standard morgage amoritization. At $45/pt plus $2.30 closing cost it works out to $2.25 plus 4.99 amount is $7.24/pt leveled over the life fo the contract.

Without the lost income it is $1.43 Plus 4.99 or $6.42/pt

bookwormde
 
To me, the real value of this is not comparing our DVC cost to rack rates. It should be no surprise that we save money over rack rates!

IMHO, the most helpful use of this information is comparing other options.

For example, on my upcoming split stay, I learned that I am paying a fraction of my DVC cost for my Wyndham Bonnet Creek stay (DVC, about $187 per night; Wyndham $49). (Part of that is just a fluke -- the normal price would be $81 for Wyndham.)

Another example would be exchanges -- like using DVC/RCI vs. renting directly through a realtor or owner of a vacation property (e.g. for a ski vacation).

If your DVC account is your total vacation lodging budget, you'll know whether
you're getting good value or not. If you can choose between renting for cash and exchanging through DVC/RCI, this gives you a rational way of comparing
your options.

I don't know if I get this:confused3. I specifically purchased DVC to only stay onsight. I've heard nice things about Bonnet Creek, but don't want to worry about car rental and driving to the parks. I can see making the comparison to renting points from a DVC member, or even another timeshare to trade into DVC. But both of those options mean I lose some control over when I can go and where I can stay.
 
I've been curious about calculating this for my membership but get lost in some of the numbers :) Has anyone seen a formula for calculating this?
 
JimMIA - I've been using that logic all along. I figured that what I "paid".
I booked a cruise using points once and I compared the point requirements to paying cash and determined that I was getting about $7.50 per point in trade value. Since that was more that I actually paid, it was a deal.
Yeah, others will say that I should rent the points and pay cash but that takes time (and patience). Time is money too.
 
Over $800 a night might sound like a lot, but its still a bargain. According to Mousesavers, the rack rate for a BWV Grand Villa in May 2011 is $1,880 a night. And that doesn't include the hotel tax, which is over 10%. It looks like you are "saving" at least $1,000 to $1,200 a night! So what are you going to do with all that money you are saving????:goodvibes
Actually.... that's going toward a 10-course family dinner in the Queen Victoria room at V&A's!!! When I found out this private room was available during our stay, I couldn't book it fast enough! :goodvibes
 
Of course, one could argue that the initial outlay for the points is now "paid for" and shouldn't be considered since it's no longer out of pocket. Not saying it's right, just saying.
 
I don't know if I get this:confused3. I specifically purchased DVC to only stay onsight. I've heard nice things about Bonnet Creek, but don't want to worry about car rental and driving to the parks. I can see making the comparison to renting points from a DVC member, or even another timeshare to trade into DVC. But both of those options mean I lose some control over when I can go and where I can stay.

Those are subjective things you add to the value.

Take Jim's Bonnett Creek vs. DVC stay - and then pretend like these are some things he would consider. $187 vs. $49. Or it costs him $138 more to stay at DVC this time. Now, may he doesn't choose to rent a car, that's $40 a day. So now its $100 more to stay at DVC this time. But he makes really good use of the dining plan during his DVC portions of the stay, saving him another $20 on food. Now its $80 more to stay on property. He loves extra magic hours - to him, that is worth another $20 a day per person on his trip - and he's got four people taking the trip - that's $80 right there. Then there are the "little extra magic" tipping the scale a little further - the Mickey wake up call, the TV showing highlights, someone who says "Welcome Home" at the front desk - whatever is important to Jim.

Or, maybe Jim rents a car anyway and likes to drive at Disney. His family never uses EMH and they don't use the dining plan. Now he looks at the numbers and says "I'm paying $138 for what? A Mickey Mouse wake up call? And if I get lucky, a towel animal?" And he might say "but I'm very wealthy and that Mickey Mouse wake up call is worth every penny to me."

For each person, their subjective opinion on the value of being "on property" is going to be different. But knowing that there has to be $138 in value for Jim to be "on property" lets him make his decisions with less emotion and lets members be more educated about the value equation.
 



















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