What benefits do I get???

[HookdonWDW]

ROFLMAO... would I do that???? You know you're my hero Dean.

 

[dts718]

I didnt mean to start a division in the ranks of the DVC members on this board(of which me and my wife hope to join in the next year or two) and as a long standing stockholder I would not agree to any practice that hurt the bottom line. I have rented points from a DVC member for an april stay and am using this stay as a chance to see how it works and what it offers. I dont have a copy of the rules but I look at it as if I bought their vacation this year and should get the perks. I would never consider myself the owner until I had a deed. In any condo complex you have owners and renters but all are allowed to use the pool and tennis courts. Im sure many will feel im missing the point and if a CM asked for my membership card I certainly would not push the issue.

 

[dianeschlicht]

Originally posted by dts718
I didnt mean to start a division in the ranks of the DVC members on this board(of which me and my wife hope to join in the next year or two) and as a long standing stockholder I would not agree to any practice that hurt the bottom line. I have rented points from a DVC member for an april stay and am using this stay as a chance to see how it works and what it offers. I dont have a copy of the rules but I look at it as if I bought their vacation this year and should get the perks. I would never consider myself the owner until I had a deed. In any condo complex you have owners and renters but all are allowed to use the pool and tennis courts. Im sure many will feel im missing the point and if a CM asked for my membership card I certainly would not push the issue.

Using the pools etc, is quite different from getting member discounts at other establishments.

 

[dts718]

Using the pools etc, is quite different from getting member discounts at other establishments.


My statement about using the pool was an analogy not a specific statement about using the pool at a DVC Resort

 

[dianeschlicht]

But still not an equal analogy. Pools are part of the resorts. Discounts at restaurants etc, are not part of that specific resort.

 

[HookdonWDW]

Originally posted by dianeschlicht
Pools are part of the resorts. Discounts at restaurants etc, are not part of that specific resort.

Good point: Discounts are part of the Membership, not a part of the room rental

 

[CarolMN]

Originally posted by tigger2005
...(snip)....
One of the benefits that Disney promotes when selling the DVC is the ability of members to rent to other people..........

This isn't true. Disney/DVD does not promote renting by owners.

The papers I signed at purchase said that while you may rent your Ownership Interest, DVD:

"....provides no assistance in resale or rental of your Ownership Interest"

"In the event you attempt to resell or rent your Ownership Interest, you would compete with DVD for buyers and renters at a substantial competitive disadvantage".

My guide said nothing at all about renting. If it weren't for this Forum, I wouldn't even know much (if anything) about it.

Curious re what makes you believe Disney promotes renting? Was it something your guide said?

 

[dts718]

Its all a matter of opinion. I apologize in advance to all DVC members if my family gets a couple bucks off a dinner as a result of only being a "renter". Dont take it personally.

 

[Chuck S]

Originally posted by dts718
Its all a matter of opinion. I apologize in advance to all DVC members if my family gets a couple bucks off a dinner as a result of only being a "renter". Dont take it personally.

I don't think anyone is taking this personally. We simply are pointing out that, according to the rules that we as owners agreed to in writing, we should not give renters the impresion that they are "entitled" to the same discounts/benefits as DVC owners. If renters do receive the discounts by virtue of the room key, it makes no real difference...the purchase/meal discounts are actually costing owners nothing. But, if a renter happens to be denied a discount by a CM, we don't want the renter to feel that the CM denied them something to which they are "entitled", and that the CM was in the wrong. Discounts are tied to our membership, and apply whether or not we happen to be staying at a DVC resort (or even any on-site resort) at the time. Some perks are tied to the resort, others are tied to membership, and the UMP discount is tied to BOTH, to get the UMP discount, we not only have to be members, we must also be staying at a DVC resort. Renters are "renting" accomodations that include the amenities of the resort, but are not "entitled" to all the discounts/privileges that go with overall membership.

 

[tigger2005]

Thanks Chuck S. I think that was a great explanation of how things are supposed to work and how they actually work.

Disney could end this entire debate by not letting any members ever rent out any points.

 

[disneycrazed139]

Im not sure how someone renting the time that the member would otherwise be there is taking advantage of anything by getting e few discounts. The renter has paid full value and should get full benefits as a member. Im sure this will not be a popular opinion but I would be curious to know how it effects other DVC members.

Okay, there is debate as to whether the non-member has paid full value or not. Technically, not. However, I agree with the above post entirely. If one is renting out points, one is renting out a portion of time paid for by the ownership interest and whoever is occupying the unit during that time--be it owner or guest should logically be entitled to member benefits. I'm sure it is an unpopular opinion, but I cannot see how this would adversely affects members.

I am also curious where it is written that member discounts are not available to renters. I haven't come across it.

 

[wdw4life]

Originally posted by tigger2005
Disney could end this entire debate by not letting any members ever rent out any points.

What would then happen if I was unable to use my points for a couple of years due to any reason? I would essentially be losing a years worth of points if I was unable to rent them. I have never done this nor do I really have any plans to but if I can at least recoup my yearly dues in this situation why is that so terrible?

 

[disneycrazed139]

I don't think Disney could not allow members to rent out their ownership interest. It wouldn't really be an ownership interest if you didn't have this freedom.

Incidentally, here is one view taken from the mousesavers Web site concerning DVC perks to non-members:

"When you rent points, you are treated like a DVC owner during your stay. Your room key will say "DVC Member" on it. This is nice because it gives you access to the perks DVC members enjoy, which include free valet parking at the resort, certain discounts on restaurants, etc. There is one negative to being considered an "honorary" DVC member: less-frequent maid service..."

 

[Chuck S]

Originally posted by disneycrazed139
I am also curious where it is written that member discounts are not available to renters. I haven't come across it.

The website says to refer to the Member Benefit Guidebook for more information on the "above benefits."

The guidebook says "The member benefits described in this Guidebook are made available by DVD as a courtesy to DVC Members, and, in some cases, their guests who have paid no compensation to the DVC Members ("Guests," or singularly a “Guest”). Participation in the benefits is completely optional and it is not a feature or component of the ownership interest in any DVC Resort, or of any rights, membership benefits or privileges which are appurtenant to that interest."

Again, if a renter is able to obtain the discounts by showing the room key, no big deal...but they should be aware it is not an "entitlement".

 

[mom2alix]

I think the main point here that all the DVC people are trying to make is that if you happen to get the discount--good for you! That is Disney's decision as to how they choose to enforce their discount policy. If you are denied the discount after they ask for a DVC member car which you don't have, please don't kick up a stink as that would very likely cause Disney to consider junking the whole program for everyone. Why would they want to deal with the hassle?

As far as discounts belonging with the room, keep in mind that I could be staying somewhere else in Orlando and go to Disney for dinner and still get a discount by showing my DVC member card, so I would say the discounts don't exactly follow along with "buying the vacation".


The main thing is no one wants to give a renter the impression that they are automatically entitled to something which might be denied and make for an unhappy situation. If I have to rent my points one year, I really want the person who gets them to enjoy their vacation and feel that I treated them fairly and told them the truth.

Hope you have a great vacation and if you save a little here and there, good for you!

 

[disneycrazed139]

The guidebook says "The member benefits described in this Guidebook are made available by DVD as a courtesy to DVC Members, and, in some cases, their guests who have paid no compensation to the DVC Members

I came across this, too, in the guidebook.

It seems to imply that sometimes their are guests at DVC (someone staying with a DVC member) who are also entitled. The phrase, "who have paid no compensation" seems to simply qualify what the definition of a guest is and to specify that whether compensation has been paid or not, eligibility for discounts is there--specifically, that payment is not REQUIRED to be eligible for the benefits--not that if you do pay as a renter-guest you wouldn't be eligible! I don't see any mention of renters anywhere. I took "in some cases" to mean that in some cases there are guests at DVC too--not that in some cases a courtesy/perk is extended and that this is only to non-paying guests. Renters aren't mentioned, and I am not sure they are even considered.

I did find the following at the member perks site, too:

"To take advantage of these great discounts, you must present either your Disney Vacation Club Member card OR your Walt Disney World® Resort ID card"

To me, this implies that the card alone is sufficient for the benefit, since I cannot see it denied or specifically spelled out to the contrary. Maybe this has been mentioned at a condo meeting at some point or maybe the policy is embedded somewhere else?

 

[Chuck S]

Disneycrazed, if perks are available to members and their guests, and a guest is specifically defined as someone that has paid no compensation to a DVC member, that EXCLUDES renters, as renters pay compensation to the DVC member for their stay.

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Originally posted by disneycrazed139
I don't think Disney could not allow members to rent out their ownership interest. It wouldn't really be an ownership interest if you didn't have this freedom.

Incidentally, here is one view taken from the mousesavers Web site concerning DVC perks to non-members:

"When you rent points, you are treated like a DVC owner during your stay. Your room key will say "DVC Member" on it. This is nice because it gives you access to the perks DVC members enjoy, which include free valet parking at the resort, certain discounts on restaurants, etc. There is one negative to being considered an "honorary" DVC member: less-frequent maid service..."

valet parking, hmm, some ask to see your membership card now.


this whole member/non member could be very easily taken care of by member having to show their member card for the discounts.

 

[disneycrazed139]

If you read my post carefully you'll see that what I am trying to convey is that the guidebook simply defining a guest as someone who pays no compensation implies that no compensation is required by a guest in order to receive benefits--NOT that if you are a renter/guest who is paying you are NOT entitled. The two ideas are mutually exclusive and one doesn't logically follow from the other.

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Originally posted by disneycrazed139
I don't think Disney could not allow members to rent out their ownership interest. It wouldn't really be an ownership interest if you didn't have this freedom.

Incidentally, here is one view taken from the mousesavers Web site concerning DVC perks to non-members:

"When you rent points, you are treated like a DVC owner during your stay. Your room key will say "DVC Member" on it. This is nice because it gives you access to the perks DVC members enjoy, which include free valet parking at the resort, certain discounts on restaurants, etc. There is one negative to being considered an "honorary" DVC member: less-frequent maid service..."

Mary's site is wonderful and has a lot of great information, but, I would leave the interpertation of the benefits to the people that 1. wrote them and 2. to the members that joined.