What about vacations outside of Disney

rodaman73

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I hear a lot about how good DVC is for people who love Disney. Now I like Disney, but I am not sure I would want to go every year. But the DVC guy in Orlando said it's pretty easy to go to all the 200+ resorts because everyone wants to trade for Disney. Now here is my deal ... my kids are home schooled and my job is flexible, meaning we can pretty much travel whenever we want. ...So under those circumstances, how easy is it to book places outside of Disney??? ...How far in advance do you have to plan for non-peak times?? ...I have heard Marriott and Hilton have timeshares, but I really like the Disney one. Thanks .. ... oh ... and would it depend on the resort I book also. ...For example would Saratoga make it easier for me to book a place in Europe than lets say Vero beach or Hilton Head?

RYAN
 
I hear a lot about how good DVC is for people who love Disney. Now I like Disney, but I am not sure I would want to go every year. But the DVC guy in Orlando said it's pretty easy to go to all the 200+ resorts because everyone wants to trade for Disney. Now here is my deal ... my kids are home schooled and my job is flexible, meaning we can pretty much travel whenever we want. ...So under those circumstances, how easy is it to book places outside of Disney??? ...How far in advance do you have to plan for non-peak times?? ...I have heard Marriott and Hilton have timeshares, but I really like the Disney one. Thanks .. ... oh ... and would it depend on the resort I book also. ...For example would Saratoga make it easier for me to book a place in Europe than lets say Vero beach or Hilton Head?

RYAN
It is difficult to trade though being as flexible as you are would help. However, owning DVC to trade is a very poor investment from a $$$ standpoint and from a usage standpoint. In your situation and if you could do with a 1 BR, I would buy a non Disney timeshare that trades with II but not one in Orlando. It is not necessary to own Disney to say there, esp during slower times. You could then trade in to DVC about half the year during slower times. You'd also be able to trade in II likely a LOT better with a lot more trade power and flexibility than DVC would have. If you wanted to buy a small DVC contract (25-60 points) resale to give you flexibility, you could do so in addition.

The idea that DVC has great trading power with II is simply wrong. The guide either is misinformed (likely) or misleading you intentionally (less likely). Either way, DVC does not trade especially well and there are far too many restrictions on the DVC II account compared to a regular II account. While many people do want to go to Orlando and many prefer DVC, that does not translate into trade power because what DVC tends to give II isn't those resorts or those times that people are hoping for. II gives DVC a generic trade power and given they get off season units in large part, the trade power reflects it. They also give a lot of off season Vero Beach and Hilton Head weeks to II.
 
I went to see a DVC guide during our last trip. He said that Disney has better buying power than a typical timeshare. Which I like the idea of going elsewhere to vacation also but I had doubts that Disney had better buying power than other timeshares within II (Interval International).

After our meeting & later in the afternoon, we were on the monorail & meet a family from New York. It came about they owned DVC. They originally wanted to buy Marriott or Wyndham. He called Marriott and wanted to have his home at a Myrtle Beach resort but he wouldn't be able to stay at the time he wanted (don't ask me how it works this is just what he said). He had a friend who owned DVC & ask him to call DVC. DVC had no problem booking at the resort he wanted for the time he wanted. He said he checked thoroughly between Marriott, Wyndham & Disney. It was easier to stay where he wanted with Disney than with Marriott or Wyndham however he did say booking at different Disney resorts within the Disney system at times is a challenge.

Don't ask me how this works, this is just what he told me.
 
It is difficult to trade though being as flexible as you are would help. However, owning DVC to trade is a very poor investment from a $$$ standpoint and from a usage standpoint. In your situation and if you could do with a 1 BR, I would buy a non Disney timeshare that trades with II but not one in Orlando.


Are their other timeshares that have the point system like Disney? ..If Disney doesn't have good trading power than who or what resorts do? And would one Disney resort have more trading power than the other, i.e. boardwalk vs. Saratoga?

An you mentioned getting 25-60 points? ..What could that even get for me?
 

An you mentioned getting 25-60 points? ..What could that even get for me?

You can bank and borrow points to get a Disney trip every three years - and use DVC for Disney and another timeshare (or cash) for your other travels.

25 points would give you 75 points every three years, which would - depending on when you traveled, get you a studio for a week. We own 150 points - more than enough for a two bedroom for our family for a week every other year - which leaves us the opposite year to enjoy travels not using DVC (we only own DVC as a timeshare - we pay cash for other traveling).
 
Are their other timeshares that have the point system like Disney? ..If Disney doesn't have good trading power than who or what resorts do? And would one Disney resort have more trading power than the other, i.e. boardwalk vs. Saratoga?

An you mentioned getting 25-60 points? ..What could that even get for me?

I think with any point system your trading power is not as good as a single week because DVC or Wyndham picks the resort and timeframe that gets deposited(usually off season). I think a lot of Wyndham owners will make a reservation and use one of the independent exchanges instead of RCI/II.


My Starwood ski week is a good trader, plus I get the 3 day *wood preference. Though like Disney, Starwood has some quality filters, because I know their are a few resorts in the II directory at HHI that I can never see.

Got it for $8000 on ebay. I think it retails for around $45,000
 
Ryan,

My suggestion is to buy enough DVC points for your vacations at WDW and continue to book your non-Disney vacations as you do currently. If you plan Disney Resort stays using the DVC properties every other year ... buy half as many points as your intended stay using banking/borrowing to make up the difference.

If, somewhere in the future, you become "spoiled" by timeshare stays and can't see yourself returning to a hotel ... then start to examine the options of trading DVC vs other entry points into timeshare exchanges.

FWIW, I find DVC to be too costly, both in purchase price and annual maintenance dues, to use for trading. Keep your options open ...

I hear a lot about how good DVC is for people who love Disney. Now I like Disney, but I am not sure I would want to go every year. But the DVC guy in Orlando said it's pretty easy to go to all the 200+ resorts because everyone wants to trade for Disney. Now here is my deal ... my kids are home schooled and my job is flexible, meaning we can pretty much travel whenever we want. ...So under those circumstances, how easy is it to book places outside of Disney??? ...How far in advance do you have to plan for non-peak times?? ...I have heard Marriott and Hilton have timeshares, but I really like the Disney one. Thanks .. ... oh ... and would it depend on the resort I book also. ...For example would Saratoga make it easier for me to book a place in Europe than lets say Vero beach or Hilton Head?

RYAN
 
I am pretty flexible.

I have never had any success with trading DVC. So I am probably going to sell some points and buy a Marriott for use at Hilton Head and as a trader!
 
I went to see a DVC guide during our last trip. He said that Disney has better buying power than a typical timeshare. Which I like the idea of going elsewhere to vacation also but I had doubts that Disney had better buying power than other timeshares within II (Interval International).

After our meeting & later in the afternoon, we were on the monorail & meet a family from New York. It came about they owned DVC. They originally wanted to buy Marriott or Wyndham. He called Marriott and wanted to have his home at a Myrtle Beach resort but he wouldn't be able to stay at the time he wanted (don't ask me how it works this is just what he said). He had a friend who owned DVC & ask him to call DVC. DVC had no problem booking at the resort he wanted for the time he wanted. He said he checked thoroughly between Marriott, Wyndham & Disney. It was easier to stay where he wanted with Disney than with Marriott or Wyndham however he did say booking at different Disney resorts within the Disney system at times is a challenge.

Don't ask me how this works, this is just what he told me.
The guide simply told you wrong, see my post above. Marriott Grande Vista in Orlando has better trade power both within and without Marriott if one chooses a good week. I'm sure the issues that person was referring to was that most Marriott's have floating week units within a season so you have to call and reserve the week you want, no guarantees you'll get it. For MB they actually have a fixed week option but only for 4th of July. There are no guarantees with DVC either and there are a lot more people potentially competing for the same time than with such a Marriott.

Are their other timeshares that have the point system like Disney? ..If Disney doesn't have good trading power than who or what resorts do? And would one Disney resort have more trading power than the other, i.e. boardwalk vs. Saratoga?

An you mentioned getting 25-60 points? ..What could that even get for me?
There are many other points systems, they all have their advantages and disadvantages. Some of the larger and/or more prominent ones are Bluegreen, Shell, Hilton, Club Intrawest, Hyatt, Westin, Wyndham and RCI points. There are others. The trade power for a given deposit would vary with the factors I've outlined below. I tend to look at trade value rather than trade power, basically cost vs trade power. As such, BG, RCI points and Wyndham likely have the best overall trade value. Actually the best trade value within II for many people is Marriott due to the internal trading preference that II gives to members and that a large portion of the top resorts in II are Marriott's.

To understand DVC's trade power, or lack of, one needs to understand how II (and RCI) assign trade power. It's based on the resort quality, demand of the resort, demand of the week in question at that resort, unit size, lead time to the deposit and the supply of units at the resort AND the area. Orlando is overbuilt as everyone knows. And given that DVC is mostly a request first system, II does not know what week or resort they are getting until it's too late. Further, DVC doesn't tend to give II the best resorts or weeks and tends to give them on shorter notice than II would prefer. II really has no choice but to look at what they're actually getting (off season, smaller units, lessor resorts) and assign an average trade power accordingly. Thus no one resort ownership has any more or less trading power than another. Esp given that a large majority of the deposits are Jan, Feb, May, Sept, Oct and then HH for Nov through Feb other than the holidays. One could live in HH for about 6 months of the year in timeshares if they wanted and in Orlando basically all year long.

As for smaller points, you mentioned not going every year to Disney. 60 points would get you a 2 BR for 5 nights or 7 nights in a 1 BR every 3 years if you avoided weekends for much of the year. IMO, owning a smaller DVC package and at least one other timeshare that complements it well for that person is a much better options than either alone. I've stayed at DVC resorts about 10 or 11 times in the last 3.5 years and only 1 of those stays was using points. My average cost for a week in a 1 or 2 BR is somewhere around $350-400 per including the exchange fee and $95 resort services fee. We are empty nesters so are OK in a 1 BR and can travel off season, we actually prefer to travel off season to WDW and many other places.
 
I hate to bring this down, but since Dean has a wealth of information and always shares it, it really seems like we are idiots for buying into DVC because it's all about the Mouse and we can't do anything with it. I have heard quite a few other people that say it is possible and they don't have problems. On the other hand, I work with two people who have timeshares outside of DVC and only one of them can work it to where they MIGHT get a week where they want. The other one never gets to. Incidentally, it was once mentioned that its not a good value to use DVC points on Concierge collection since they are mostly hotels. Fellow DVC members and friends of ours did exactly that in Keystone (not hotels but timeshares/condos) and had an outstanding place, definitely worth more in dollar amount than if you had put $10 per point on the points used.

Perhaps while we are all ahead we should go sell our DVC to people that are more stupid than us and buy elsewhere....for a LOT more money
 
I hate to bring this down, but since Dean has a wealth of information and always shares it, it really seems like we are idiots for buying into DVC because it's all about the Mouse and we can't do anything with it. I have heard quite a few other people that say it is possible and they don't have problems. On the other hand, I work with two people who have timeshares outside of DVC and only one of them can work it to where they MIGHT get a week where they want. The other one never gets to. Incidentally, it was once mentioned that its not a good value to use DVC points on Concierge collection since they are mostly hotels. Fellow DVC members and friends of ours did exactly that in Keystone (not hotels but timeshares/condos) and had an outstanding place, definitely worth more in dollar amount than if you had put $10 per point on the points used.

Perhaps while we are all ahead we should go sell our DVC to people that are more stupid than us and buy elsewhere....for a LOT more money

So the rest of us who couldn't get what we wanted are lying??? What is it about this board that saying anything negative about DVC means "kill the messenger"?

I don't use my points for the Conceierge program but don't care if anyone else does. I think they are "overpriced" but ....

Now where do your "two friends" own and have you tried to trade? Owning a timeshare is not a "one size fits all" There are a lot of "not so good traders" out there so you have to do your research.

As for a "LOT" more money:rotfl: I have been pricing GOOD Marriott traders for about 6 months. On resale it's probably LESS money then DVC on resale. Using TUG has helped me see what works for trading etc.


I have tried to trade with over a years notice to Hilton Head (No I don't want to stay DVC there), Italy and a few places in the Caribbean. No dice. I generally put in a few month span and leave the request open for quite a while, but at some point I have to plan the vacation and move on.

I think that from talking to people I know who have access to II, you can see what's going on and you have a MUCH larger base to trade with as opposed to the small base we have.

The OP asked if we would recommend Disney for "trading" away. Considering his current portfolio. No I wouldn't.

Dean has NEVER inferred you are an idiot for buying DVC. You made that leap all by yourself!

I love my DVC, but it's not "perfect"
 
I hate to bring this down, but since Dean has a wealth of information and always shares it, it really seems like we are idiots for buying into DVC because it's all about the Mouse and we can't do anything with it. I have heard quite a few other people that say it is possible and they don't have problems. On the other hand, I work with two people who have timeshares outside of DVC and only one of them can work it to where they MIGHT get a week where they want. The other one never gets to. Incidentally, it was once mentioned that its not a good value to use DVC points on Concierge collection since they are mostly hotels. Fellow DVC members and friends of ours did exactly that in Keystone (not hotels but timeshares/condos) and had an outstanding place, definitely worth more in dollar amount than if you had put $10 per point on the points used.

Perhaps while we are all ahead we should go sell our DVC to people that are more stupid than us and buy elsewhere....for a LOT more money
I'm having a little trouble sorting how much of this is real and how much is sarcasm and lack of knowledge but being that as it may, I'll address a couple of issues. If you don't value my postings, simply ignore them, you can even make it so they don't show up on your screen but putting me on your ignore list. Most people who own timeshares that don't work for them simply don't put the time and effort in to learn the system and plan ahead. And certainly many of them overpaid by a factor of 10-20 times because they bought from the developer as an impulse buy. As for concierge options, one can almost always get the same or similar for cash at $5-7 per point, like DVC, using the rack rate really means nothing. For example, I have a friend who owns a 1 BR condo at Keystone and I can rent it for any week I want except Xmas, NY and Easter for a few hundred dollars. While the cost may be somewhat more for someone off the street, the principle applies. And while one may be able to find an exception where using points for a CC option may truly return a good value, they are rare exceptions that are not guaranteed and could go away tomorrow as did about half the CC this year.

DVC is a great system for one that will use it appropriately, takes advantage of the flexibility and values the on property experience enough to put a price on it. As for selling and buying elsewhere, that is a personal decision but with few exceptions, one could buy elsewhere for a fraction of DVC including top Marriott's. DVC has it's place as do other options.

Added: While I haven't used DVC to actually trade through II, I have had searches for high ticket items with little success and only last minute offerings. I would venture that I know more about the DVC II trade system than anyone and feel I've helped many others understand it better to decide if/how they want to use it.
 
You can bank and borrow points to get a Disney trip every three years - and use DVC for Disney and another timeshare (or cash) for your other travels.

25 points would give you 75 points every three years, which would - depending on when you traveled, get you a studio for a week. We own 150 points - more than enough for a two bedroom for our family for a week every other year - which leaves us the opposite year to enjoy travels not using DVC (we only own DVC as a timeshare - we pay cash for other traveling).

Ryan,

My suggestion is to buy enough DVC points for your vacations at WDW and continue to book your non-Disney vacations as you do currently. If you plan Disney Resort stays using the DVC properties every other year ... buy half as many points as your intended stay using banking/borrowing to make up the difference.

If, somewhere in the future, you become "spoiled" by timeshare stays and can't see yourself returning to a hotel ... then start to examine the options of trading DVC vs other entry points into timeshare exchanges.

FWIW, I find DVC to be too costly, both in purchase price and annual maintenance dues, to use for trading. Keep your options open ...

I agree with Crisi and bwvBound. We have 100 points and it allows us to go to WDW and Hilton Head pretty often without feeling forced to take more vacations than we want to Disney or anywhere else. You can always buy more points, and pay cash for non-Disney trips.
 
I'm having a little trouble sorting how much of this is real and how much is sarcasm and lack of knowledge but being that as it may, I'll address a couple of issues. If you don't value my postings, simply ignore them, you can even make it so they don't show up on your screen but putting me on your ignore list. Most people who own timeshares that don't work for them simply don't put the time and effort in to learn the system and plan ahead. And certainly many of them overpaid by a factor of 10-20 times because they bought from the developer as an impulse buy. As for concierge options, one can almost always get the same or similar for cash at $5-7 per point, like DVC, using the rack rate really means nothing. For example, I have a friend who owns a 1 BR condo at Keystone and I can rent it for any week I want except Xmas, NY and Easter for a few hundred dollars. While the cost may be somewhat more for someone off the street, the principle applies. And while one may be able to find an exception where using points for a CC option may truly return a good value, they are rare exceptions that are not guaranteed and could go away tomorrow as did about half the CC this year.

DVC is a great system for one that will use it appropriately, takes advantage of the flexibility and values the on property experience enough to put a price on it. As for selling and buying elsewhere, that is a personal decision but with few exceptions, one could buy elsewhere for a fraction of DVC including top Marriott's. DVC has it's place as do other options.

Added: While I haven't used DVC to actually trade through II, I have had searches for high ticket items with little success and only last minute offerings. I would venture that I know more about the DVC II trade system than anyone and feel I've helped many others understand it better to decide if/how they want to use it.


Duly noted. It's just that every time you say something it really feels like a shot towards people, and it may be just me, that DVC really isn't worth it. I want to say that one of my friends owns at Marriott and the other I am not positive about. I read posts all the time about how other people got their matches without much difficulty. I realize it is multi-factorial. And I am NOT calling anyone a liar.

All I am simply saying is that on a DVC discussion board, don't put it down 90% of the time. This isn't a board to sell other timeshares.

OP stated his kids are home schooled and he has a flexible job. I say run with it. Dean, you have mentioned several times about non-peak times to try for properties in places such as the Caribbean or Colorado. I have taken down your suggestions and plan on using them, btw. But IMHO, and I am new at this, the optimist that I can be would be to suggest to him to try the non-peak times. Perhaps the world is his oyster. Never quit. That's my mantra. If one doesn't work, try another.

I do realize that there may be better timeshares than DVC. However, this is the DVC operations discussion board. While I do like to be a realist, and informing people that it may or may not be a good decision to use DVC in a certain way is a good thing, perhaps we should focus more on specifics of how to optimize our membership in this establishment instead of saying it's impossible or not worth it.

The other people who may only own at DVC can figure out creative solutions to use the properties and not only be Disney. Stay at a DVC property but go to Busch Gardens, Universal, Sea World, enoy the beach...whatever. There are almost limitless solutions.

I don't wish for this to get any more heated than it is. Some of us have dreams which may or may not be realized.

Have a good evening
 
Duly noted. It's just that every time you say something it really feels like a shot towards people, and it may be just me, that DVC really isn't worth it. I want to say that one of my friends owns at Marriott and the other I am not positive about. I read posts all the time about how other people got their matches without much difficulty. I realize it is multi-factorial. And I am NOT calling anyone a liar.

All I am simply saying is that on a DVC discussion board, don't put it down 90% of the time. This isn't a board to sell other timeshares.

OP stated his kids are home schooled and he has a flexible job. I say run with it. Dean, you have mentioned several times about non-peak times to try for properties in places such as the Caribbean or Colorado. I have taken down your suggestions and plan on using them, btw. But IMHO, and I am new at this, the optimist that I can be would be to suggest to him to try the non-peak times. Perhaps the world is his oyster. Never quit. That's my mantra. If one doesn't work, try another.

I do realize that there may be better timeshares than DVC. However, this is the DVC operations discussion board. While I do like to be a realist, and informing people that it may or may not be a good decision to use DVC in a certain way is a good thing, perhaps we should focus more on specifics of how to optimize our membership in this establishment instead of saying it's impossible or not worth it.

The other people who may only own at DVC can figure out creative solutions to use the properties and not only be Disney. Stay at a DVC property but go to Busch Gardens, Universal, Sea World, enoy the beach...whatever. There are almost limitless solutions.

I don't wish for this to get any more heated than it is. Some of us have dreams which may or may not be realized.

Have a good evening
I'm sorry you feel that way. I'd rather be honest and address the situation as best I see fit rather than being a homer. I'll be the first to tell you where DVC is good but we have many other people doing that all the time, too much, inappropriately in many cases and simply wrong in others. Last I looked this board was to discuss DVC but that discussion can be positive or negative, I missed the rule that said you could only say positive things about DVC. It seems clear you are rather ill informed about the other issues, that's true of many timeshare owners, DVC or otherwise. I'd hope my posts change that for many people. DVC really isn't worth it for many people, IMO, it's only worth it for a specific subgroup of people who will use the DVC points at DVC resorts, plan enough ahead to ensure success, value on property including putting an extra $$$ value on it and will not go heavy on weekends. Buying DVC is simply a poor choice for anything else. However, there are people that bought, for whatever reason, and later decide to look at other options. That is their choice and much different than one looking to buy in. I think I've helped many of them figure out how to do so as well. I don't believe I've ever told people what to do or what they should do with their points, only pointed out the various issues, risks and costs associated, they can then make up their own mind as to what to do regardless of my feelings of what is good or bad.
 
DVC has been a great addition to my timeshare portfolio. However I only use it within the DVC system because I understand it's value is within the DVC system.
All timeshares have their limitations with trading. I'm actually pretty fond of my Wolf Run week 48 2br that I can't give away (and sometimes wish I could). It gets us a week in any crowded timeshare market most times of the year and, as a trader with dues less then $450, it'll get gold crown off season in those markets.
Dean, has been around as long as me but is an active poster.
I value his insight but TUG and other sources should be scanned for the knowledge that can be gained there as well.
 
thanks for your input. i do value other opinions and despite what other people may be reading i do understand the negative aspects of dvc. i will be one to admit them. i'm not one of those dvc negative comment bashers like i was accused of.

dean is a wealth of information, i will admit that. but perhaps there are people who can't go out and purchase interest in multiple timeshares. there is always multiple sources for information and any educated consumer should put forth the proper research to decide if what is being offered is right for them. me? i can see myself going to some non-dvc properties in not highly desired areas that probably no one wants to even think about. but my interests are pretty diverse. i haven't done a ton of research in regards to the non-dvc trades but when that time comes that i may be considering it, i certainly will. i know others who don't do that. i don't know dean personally but the other people that i have mentioned i do know and know about them.

sorry for stepping on anyone's toes. it just seems like sometimes that happens around here. i am all for empowering people with knowledge so that they may decide what is best for them, giving choices. if dvc is all someone can do, then let's try to find some possibilities. friends of mine haven't been to disney in almost two years but they have been using their points outside of dvc. :confused3 there's gotta be a reason that so many people have bought into it, right?
 
I hear a lot about how good DVC is for people who love Disney. Now I like Disney, but I am not sure I would want to go every year. But the DVC guy in Orlando said it's pretty easy to go to all the 200+ resorts because everyone wants to trade for Disney. Now here is my deal ... my kids are home schooled and my job is flexible, meaning we can pretty much travel whenever we want. ...So under those circumstances, how easy is it to book places outside of Disney??? ...How far in advance do you have to plan for non-peak times?? ...I have heard Marriott and Hilton have timeshares, but I really like the Disney one. Thanks .. ... oh ... and would it depend on the resort I book also. ...For example would Saratoga make it easier for me to book a place in Europe than lets say Vero beach or Hilton Head?

RYAN

I wouldn't buy DVC specifically for trading, but if you're talking about an occasional trade to somewhere else besides DVC, I think that's reasonable for certain nice resorts. I would never buy a "top of the line" timeshare to trade on a regular basis, though. Examples of "top of the line" timeshares to me are Marriott Hawaii resorts, DVC, Sheraton's Harborside Resort at Atlantis, etc. Most people buy these type of resorts to use on a regular basis because the buy-in costs and the dues are higher than most anything else out there.

But if you're talking about occasionally trading (like every three years or so), and don't want to mess with owning something else, I think that could be reasonable. Personally, I would only trade my DVC points for something top of the line - like Marriott in Hawaii,Harborside Atlantis, or one of the Royal resorts in Cancun (just some examples). Probably traveling international, DVC points (for certain resorts) might be reasonable because of the exchange rate if you had to pay cash.
 
if dvc is all someone can do, then let's try to find some possibilities. friends of mine haven't been to disney in almost two years but they have been using their points outside of dvc. :confused3 there's gotta be a reason that so many people have bought into it, right?
I think you'll find almost all of the type of posts your complaining about on similar thread's where someone is looking at buying in (or more points) and asking for information. I do hear what you're saying, if you can't say something positive, don't say anything or say it elsewhere, king of like talking down one's football team (maybe you're an A&M fan). They are in a unique situation to know what many people, likely including your DVC owning friends, didn't know. Namely, that there are other options that may be better and/or cheaper for their situation. Let me put in in perspective and give an extreme example. Say one wanted to do a cruise every year for 2 people that would currently cost around 300 points for value time in Cat 11. Buy in through DVC at almost $30K, resale down around $21K, and yearly fees in the $1500 range. But that cruise would be around $2000 for next Sept, the time a person asked about this very week her on the DIS. Not only that using points for DCL has so many risks that even if the dollars were favorable, it'd have to be overwhelming for me to think it's a good idea.

Another example might be someone who wanted to vacation a week EY in a 2 BR but only at WDW or DVC EOY. To do it all on DVC points with an II trade EOY, one's talking about around 300 points as well (more or less). Or they could buy 150 DVC points ($15K ($11K resale), yearly dues $750) and say an EOY Platinum Oahu Marriott resale ($11-12K, $750 yearly). The price and yearly almost identical to above but with many differences, most good and some bad or at least with a few extra costs. First, one has to pay for yearly II membership if you wanted to exchange it much, and there is a lockoff fee with Marriott of $75 I think it is if you split it off. However, you'd get the option of a week in HI, MUCH better trading power in II, the lockoff would give you an extra week EOY, you'd have preference trading to other Marriott's, you'd have ALL the other benefits of actually belonging to II including online access and the "value" is actually better than using those 150 points yearly at DVC. One could substitute many other Marriott's and Many other timeshares into this equation but each would bring a unique set of variables including cost (almost all much cheaper than HI), trade power, usability by the owner, etc.

To me the bottom line is that there is almost nothing good to say to someone thinking about buying DVC for trading purposes, in that situation 90% would be generous, I should be 99-100% negative in that context, maybe 90% if you already owned more points than you could/would use at WDW. I'd agree with Spruce that there are other places to get better info on other timeshares, TUG is the best one I know of, but most of the people here aren't going to go there and the ones that do often do so because of thread's such as this or one's related to exchanging. As long as I've made some think, I've fulfilled my intention of posting on this subject.
 
sorry for stepping on anyone's toes. it just seems like sometimes that happens around here. i am all for empowering people with knowledge so that they may decide what is best for them, giving choices. if dvc is all someone can do, then let's try to find some possibilities. friends of mine haven't been to disney in almost two years but they have been using their points outside of dvc. :confused3 there's gotta be a reason that so many people have bought into it, right?

So many people have bought into it to use their points at DVC resorts. :) I think a fairly small percentage of members use points outside of DVC, and those that do will only do it a few times over the life of their membership. And that's fine. It becomes a very poor value if you want to trade outside of the system as often or more often than you stay at DVC resorts.

For that use, buying 'multiple timeshares' will actually cost you less than it would to buy DVC for your trades. It's often suggested here that people buy only as many DVC points as they need for their DVC stays, and then buy another timeshare (Marriott, Fairfield, etc) at resale for trading. The key piece of this is that those other timeshares are vastly cheaper on the resale market; I've heard of folks picking them up for a few thousand dollars. Your cost for the DVC points you'd need to trade out regularly is going to be far, far higher than that, and that's without figuring in the high maintenance fees.

As for trading power, in the 7 years I've been hanging out on these boards, I can't count the number of sad stories I've read from folks who've tried and tried to trade out, never getting the resort they wanted, sometimes not getting anything at all.

Empowering people with information is a good thing. That's what Dean does on a daily basis here. He knows the timeshare business better than anyone else on these boards. What he has to say may not be what folks want to hear when they're caught up in the emotion of buying DVC, or when they've just heard a rosy sales pitch from DVC, but....it's the truth. It's important for potential members to understand how trading works in the real world.

When I'm deciding whether I'm going to spend tens of thousands of dollars, I don't want sunshine and butterflies. I want someone to give me hard financial and practical information.
 











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