We're getting ripped off

[shoffdog]

You know you can't book more then 7 months at a resort that isn't your home but anyone in RCI program can book it also it take only 8 rci points for a week in a 2 bedroom for a week almost anytime of year this is why we as members can't get reservation when we want I know a guy who just paid 1500 for a dumpy timeshare and traded to disney what a joke I'm selling gonna go buy couple of Junkers and trade

 

[ToddyLu]

You know you can't book more then 7 months at a resort that isn't your home but anyone in RCI program can book it also it take only 8 rci points for a week in a 2 bedroom for a week almost anytime of year this is why we as members can't get reservation when we want I know a guy who just paid 1500 for a dumpy timeshare and traded to disney what a joke I'm selling gonna go buy couple of Junkers and trade

Hmmmmm...this is your 3rd post??

 

[crisi]

And if this is a serious rant....

I'm sorry that you bought DVC without understanding the program.

 

[Dean]

You know you can't book more then 7 months at a resort that isn't your home but anyone in RCI program can book it also it take only 8 rci points for a week in a 2 bedroom for a week almost anytime of year this is why we as members can't get reservation when we want I know a guy who just paid 1500 for a dumpy timeshare and traded to disney what a joke I'm selling gonna go buy couple of Junkers and trade

In the event that you're possibly serious, you need to understand what you own and how it works, something that's clearly not where you are currently. RCI members can only trade to DVC IF a DVC member deposits and if a unit is available through RCI before 7 months out that means that a DVC owner deposited a resort they own. Otherwise they cannot reserve anything. ALL you own are the resorts where you're points are based at, you don't own the other resorts and have no say in them and anytime you use your points at a resort you don't own at, you also are TRADING to those resorts through the internal system. It's no different than when one rents out their time. I own DVC and other resorts as well and I've traded in for dozens of weeks over the last 15 years. You own a timeshare, you're not part of an exclusive club.

However, your understanding of the "cost" for DVC through the RCI system is quite off. The RCI trade units (TPU) for RCI weeks and the points costs for RCI points are among the highest in RCI. One is not going to get even a DVC studio for a TPU of 8 currently even during lower seasons. Now for non DVC in Orlando it's very possible to get a decent 2 BR for 8-10 points but not at top resorts.

 

[heynowirv]

In the event that you're possibly serious, you need to understand what you own and how it works, something that's clearly not where you are currently. RCI members can only trade to DVC IF a DVC member deposits and if a unit is available through RCI before 7 months out that means that a DVC owner deposited a resort they own. Otherwise they cannot reserve anything. ALL you own are the resorts where you're points are based at, you don't own the other resorts and have no say in them and anytime you use your points at a resort you don't own at, you also are TRADING to those resorts through the internal system. It's no different than when one rents out their time. I own DVC and other resorts as well and I've traded in for dozens of weeks over the last 15 years. You own a timeshare, you're not part of an exclusive club.

However, your understanding of the "cost" for DVC through the RCI system is quite off. The RCI trade units (TPU) for RCI weeks and the points costs for RCI points are among the highest in RCI. One is not going to get even a DVC studio for a TPU of 8 currently even during lower seasons. Now for non DVC in Orlando it's very possible to get a decent 2 BR for 8-10 points but not at top resorts.

Quite a level-headed response,dean thank you.It sure beats name calling.

 

[nabi]

Hmmmmm...this is your 3rd post??

11 years since getting a username on DIS...look beyond first impression.

 

[mort1331]

Please everyone let the OP be.. I am always looking for resales,, someone this upset will unload at a great price... Bring it on.. Thanks

 

[Dean]

11 years since getting a username on DIS...look beyond first impression.

More likely someone who posts under another name but went back to an old one to post something they knew was unreasonable.

 

[jade1]

You know you can't book more then 7 months at a resort that isn't your home but anyone in RCI program can book it also it take only 8 rci points for a week in a 2 bedroom for a week almost anytime of year this is why we as members can't get reservation when we want I know a guy who just paid 1500 for a dumpy timeshare and traded to disney what a joke I'm selling gonna go buy couple of Junkers and trade

Or, you could buy at DVC resorts you want to stay at.

 

[ton80]

That hurt my head to read one long sentence without . ? ,

 

[ldo]

I have DVC and RCI. Occasionally, you can book a week at DVC with 9 or so RCI "points" (actually TPUs). Those are last minute cancels that would go unbooked in the RCI system. So, if some lucky soul can check-in the next day and happens to be looking almost every hour on RCI, they might snag one.
Also prime weeks at DVC, like Christmas, Easter, and most summer weeks cost almost the MAX (52-58 TPUS out of the max 60) to trade via RCI. There are some very savvy timeshare owners who bought a super good deal and are able to trade in for much less than DVC. But, most timeshare RCI owners are not trading that "great deal."
As an example, my 2 bedroom peak summer week at a gold crown (highly-rated) RCI resort at HHI traded for a 1 bedroom in mid-August in OKW. Not counting original purchase costs, with exchange fee and annual fee, it costs me about $1300 to trade in to OKW. And I also know others who have had to combine TPUs from two weeks to have enough to trade into DVC.

 

[1153rsmith]

I have owned RCI for years, and now also own DVC. I have stayed at several DVC resorts through RCI and have been able to book, usually around the 5-7 month window. Each time I have booked, a 1 bedroom has cost me between 45,000 and 60,000 RCI points. It is also, very difficult to get into a DVC resort through RCI and you can only book a 7 day vacation. You can't do night stays and if you want longer than 7 days you must hope there is another week open at a resort the week after you have already booked.

I have been very thankful for the times we have been able to travel to Disney and stay DVC, but doing it through RCI has meant we had to be very flexible in when we went.

I will say this, DVC resorts hold their resale value much better than ANY other timeshare, and if you book through RCI, you are subject to over $200 in fees to stay at a DVC resort that you don't pay when booking through DVC. On balance, I think DVC is a good value... at least at this point.

 

[Dean]

I have DVC and RCI. Occasionally, you can book a week at DVC with 9 or so RCI "points" (actually TPUs). Those are last minute cancels that would go unbooked in the RCI system. So, if some lucky soul can check-in the next day and happens to be looking almost every hour on RCI, they might snag one.
Also prime weeks at DVC, like Christmas, Easter, and most summer weeks cost almost the MAX (52-58 TPUS out of the max 60) to trade via RCI. There are some very savvy timeshare owners who bought a super good deal and are able to trade in for much less than DVC. But, most timeshare RCI owners are not trading that "great deal."
As an example, my 2 bedroom peak summer week at a gold crown (highly-rated) RCI resort at HHI traded for a 1 bedroom in mid-August in OKW. Not counting original purchase costs, with exchange fee and annual fee, it costs me about $1300 to trade in to OKW. And I also know others who have had to combine TPUs from two weeks to have enough to trade into DVC.

Maybe at under 2 weeks though DVC usually doesn't discount. Just like some resorts will to to 7500 RCI points on that side, I don't think I've seen that apply to DVC, if it has I haven't seen it. Historically my costs have been around $400 per week when I traded in to DVC and going forward should be between $600 and $650 per week.

I have owned RCI for years, and now also own DVC. I have stayed at several DVC resorts through RCI and have been able to book, usually around the 5-7 month window. Each time I have booked, a 1 bedroom has cost me between 45,000 and 60,000 RCI points. It is also, very difficult to get into a DVC resort through RCI and you can only book a 7 day vacation. You can't do night stays and if you want longer than 7 days you must hope there is another week open at a resort the week after you have already booked.

I have been very thankful for the times we have been able to travel to Disney and stay DVC, but doing it through RCI has meant we had to be very flexible in when we went.

I will say this, DVC resorts hold their resale value much better than ANY other timeshare, and if you book through RCI, you are subject to over $200 in fees to stay at a DVC resort that you don't pay when booking through DVC. On balance, I think DVC is a good value... at least at this point.

The points are set by the points chart. I think it's OKW/SSR at the lower cost and the rest on property at the higher points chart costs. I didn't cross reference to be sure this was the division though but I think it is. Even though DVC resorts are RCI points resorts, DVC has thus far chosen not to deposit except for full weeks. However, if you book 2 weeks at a single resort on the points side as a single reservation, you'll pay only one exchange fee and 1 $95 DVC resort fee. Actually even if you book the same resort back to back weeks, I'm pretty sure you'll pay only one $95 fee.

 

[murphy7573]

The first time I stayed at one of my home resorts was through my dad's timeshare that he traded into to DVC. Pretty funny I stayed there and didn't use my points. My dad does own Hilton Grand Vacation Club though. Not exactly the "Leaky Tiki" !

 

[Dean]

The first time I stayed at one of my home resorts was through my dad's timeshare that he traded into to DVC. Pretty funny I stayed there and didn't use my points. My dad does own Hilton Grand Vacation Club though. Not exactly the "Leaky Tiki" !

The specifics of what is traded (view, quality, demand, location) really have nothing to do with trading in other than as it affects trade power or related info. One of the mantra's of trading routinely is to always be trading up in the areas of quality, demand, and unit size. Often this also means trading from less expensive to more expensive.

 

[Cee]

I just saw a 1BR at Boardwalk for the week of March 16 with a TPU of 15. Almost unheard of(this was RCI Weeks, not Points). Someone will snap it up in an instant. I've seen this before and the PP is right, you have to be very flexible and spontaneous to take advantage of these gifts.

I also have more than one timeshare week and usually have to combine my deposits to have enough trading power to book a 1-2BR DVC. This is in addition to the exchange fee and the resort fee paid at check-in. Fees, fees and more fees.

 

[Dean]

Fees, fees and more fees.

And still usually much cheaper than using or buying DVC.

 

[corpcomp]

You know you can't book more then 7 months at a resort that isn't your home but anyone in RCI program can book it also it take only 8 rci points for a week in a 2 bedroom for a week almost anytime of year this is why we as members can't get reservation when we want I know a guy who just paid 1500 for a dumpy timeshare and traded to disney what a joke I'm selling gonna go buy couple of Junkers and trade

If I might ask, where in DVC did you purchase?

 

[Lil' Grumpy]

...have been really busy but have been following this thread
for several reasons. to me, i always look @ this section as the "business
section". & it was a lil'surprising that even though this was a dvc usage
problem, there were no posts about whether this was right/legal. also
disappointed with all the timeshare experts, that didn't add their input. however,
i think this is a good example , that no response is revealing too.

anytime these types of posts come up...i begin by asking if
the action is possible. now no regular member on either
side of the fence can do this...but how about the organization?
stocking piling dvc rooms like in a special rci program, where
certain /privileged members have them on the ready...it
reminds me that dvc has rules for regular members but
there are a sub group doing things outside the "structure?!"
and by this post , extending to rci. i learn this, when we
did our first , major revs....& ever since that time been
observing what going on....& it all goes in one direction.
(meaning things that should be done, has not occurred.)

i don't think this post was just something for attention.
also i believe you made your comments based
on a "person to person" exchange. i know "what" i think you are
implicating but more details- sure would be helpful. regardless ,
....it got me thinking about things i never would have.

one example,
rci trading into dvc. how many never get a dvc room? if one thinks
about how many rci members & the limited trading out, this should
be a large number, unless stuff liked this is being permitted.
to me it speaks--"Who" can owners really trust that dvc is not adding
extra rooms than those trading out? together if similar transactions are
being permitted, would give all the credit that owners are in~deeds
being "ripped off ". ( to what extent & $ amounts)
wonder if this is a better business issue because all these renters
that have no right to the dvc rooms & all the services they are
using but being paid by who? that's right, dvc owners.
hidden costs like all the wear & tear %, the utilities, the cleaning ...i
think there are some real ($) issues that have been piling up , just
adding up the "how many" on ebay sites. so claiming once a trade
is made dvc owners has no interest is incorrect. plus the fact that
someone posted this happening has true merit too me.



many times,
i think when these types of posts "pop up", they are coming from
inside the organization & being overheard by workers that
recognized- some are doing wrong...but are under their "authority"...
their frustrations are in their expressions. it is appreciated they
care enough to post their concerns.

what i learn most from reading here, that one of the biggest
problem facing dvc owners..is rci professionals exchangers,
especially inside the dvc. maybe the new best kept secret.
( not only to established professional renter sites on ebay,
but to continue building them, & then the lack of negative feedback. )

can anything be done?
now i am no rci owner but it seem to me, based on the dvc demands
...and c so many trying to get "insider" advice here,... there should only
be one trade offer per q3years, by doing this,
it would be fair~er to the regular rci owners trying to do dvc, per
their rules? & i'll add what i think about the rci network- even though
i am not a rci member. (see? "s~dvc girl?") ....the rci renting dvc rooms
to others are 100% affecting dvc members via lost rooms and costs.
by limiting rci members q/3/y, would discourage rci pros
from working/creating these renting businesses.

also, s~dvc girl , if i was in charge @ dvc, i removed certain
dvc resorts......like blt, from any rci trades. reducing these
resorts would also reduced the "popularity" of renting via rci.
fyi, my position continue to"feel stronger", when i read
posts here & other sites, similar to the "buying direct" ones.
look @ the responses...that are "doing" exactly what this
post "wonder about".....connect the dots!

anyway,
for us, one of our first-level priority was getting away from certain
groups -liked the tours/b groups. how long before tour groups realize
they too can get dvc rooms via the rci/trade in's connections/ @
--bargain prices? i don't blame them. except we are owners, it is a major
dvc problem, just based on a single ethical issue-"dues". wasn't the
intended purpose for permitting renting in the first place, so owners don't
let their points waste when life prevented a dvc vacation? unethical,
based on owners paying for "wear,tear & services"-esp. by those using
this loophole for individual profits.


so "s"~dvc girl, what "good" is it for members- when
the company does nothing to stop others /rci professionals plus insider
workers, and members breaking established dvc rules? especially
rules that rci renters are resulting... in higher dues? again~ &
again...i am asking?--why do we never "see" people reporting
about these rci rentals being cax. ? yeah, where are their
postings?

just one of many reasons why i sent that package...., just
saying , i am believer of "theft prevention".....especially being a blt owner,
paying for illegal activities---and seeing how dvc adding all the rci renters'
electric/water/air conditioning/heating/garbage disposal , laundry- like
sheets/towels to my dues....like i was taught growing up--"the best
way to hurt someone doing you "wrong" is in the pocket book."
don't think the average time share owners are doing the wrongs.

so is dvc going to take all these sites from rci owners, selling dvc rooms
& refund back all their expenses to the owners? that would be the right
thing to do.

...& what about other grey areas. why doesn't dvc management
consider the ethical obligation when deciding their course of
actions?
if blt dues are paying for it...then unless you "add" the other
dvc resorts to our dues... why do they get this perk for free?
(while every blt owner is paying?) i see that very unfair? if i was in
charge, there would be a "coverage charge for non-owners & apply
the $ to blt owners' dues....and if non members want to go, then
double the price ..& reduce all blt members' dues. see my position
"s~girl?"....i define stealing when i am paying for something that
others are using thru dvc lack of management...betcha, if
your bosses had these $$$ coming out of their pay, these
oversights would stop. it just like direct vs
resales...when are they going to fix it? ( specifically--when the economy
"dipped" & professionally timeshares mangers picked up the low cost
resorts, flipping them into new businesses---i am saying the dvc
was never meant to fuel this type of business & as a "matter"
of policy- against professional renters...

there are many, many corrective measures dvc can do to prevent
these losses. i brought our dvc for a gift but anything that
costing me money, has my interest.
some are very, very simple. like "only" permitting renting
@ one's home resorts...especially since many professional renters
went after the bargain resorts as to get the most points. this restriction
alone, would also add more availability ...to regular resale /direct
owners.

sorry to lecture s-girl but there was another major reason this thread
caught my attention.....based on a pre/Christmas thread where an
owner reported their room was downgraded from a 2-
bedroom villa. if one connected the dots...alarms should have went
off...behind the scenes. my concerns are based on the same
thing on the other "side", $$$. the bargain hunters may not realize it but
the $ making up their savings-- are from owners' pockets. "connecting
the dots" is a very good measurement that i use often. this thread is
a good example based on another thread ( s~dvc girl ) & one
"later on" with the topic buying direct. this poster mentioned
the better value was to buy useless rci & flip them for dvc getting
special/insider perks. those perks over regular /dvc owners.
...( hoping there are specific "catch phases" triggers dvc
monitors' attention?)...this poster received negative feedback.
but i found the well-respected rci "pro" on the other thread ,
stated he is doing exactly what this poster suggested...including
selling his dvc. interesting he did not get the same
negative feedback? right? so by putting these 2 posts
together, illustrated significant findings "effecting" the
well being of dvc & to me, not in a good way

 

[Sammie]

'Lil Grumpy, you really must stop watching all those conspiracy movies.

If I owned something, DVC, and honestly felt they are basically a scam artist, as you seem to always imply, I would sell it as fast as I could.