We got the ticket, now this is all about the rules...

[nowellsl]

While this isn't always the case, don't mistake someone doing their job, and being overruled by someone actually authorized to make an exception in the interest of guest recovery, for being "power hungry". Their job is to enforce the rules. People who make them question compliance and give them flack when they do question compliance are forcing an issue that shouldn't be forced. Compliance should be the default. Proof, when asked for, should be readily, efficiently and even happily given. The manager shouldn't have to intercede to give a patron more than they're entitled because the patron got upset with the cast member for doing their job propertly.

I agree 100%!

 

[justhat]

It never fails to amaze me when people start a thread like this and then get upset when it becomes such an issue of morality. Honestly people, have you never read these boards before???

To the OP, it's nice to get opinions from others (at least those that tell you what you want to hear), but in the end it's going to be you dealing with whatever happens so you have to make the decision for yourself. Someone else might not buy the ticket, but won't care about answering anyone's questions. Do whatever works for your family.

Also, IMHO, it's a little hypocritical for most people to be "throwing stones" at those who don't buy tickets for 3yr olds. I think somewhere in the Book of Disney I read: "Let ye who has never brought 'illegal' food/drink into the parks cast the first stone"

Here's my take on this (and this isn't directed at you at all, just in response to the 1st part of why people post questions like this). The OP asked if her son would get carded. That's a simple yes or no answer. But the problem comes in when people start bringing up how immoral the OP (or anyone who would consider sneaking in a 3yo or anything like that) is. Nowhere in the OP did she ask for moral opinions or anything like that, i.e. if people think it's stealing, etc. Unless you're planning to answer the OP's question, I don't see why anyone would want to come onto a thread just to impose their moral beliefs. It's not what the OP asked for so if you don't have an answer to the question why not just close the thread and move on? That could stop a lot of these threads from turning into heated moral debates and keep the boards a bit friendlier.

BTW, I think that's a great example of why people shouldn't 'cast stones' on others! Very true.

 

[beattyfamily]

People will always post their opinions on these types of things and they will almost always end up in debate. Don't like that well then don't post these kinds of questions then. It's the nature of message boards. They always take turns you don't expect. Just check out the Community board.

People will always judge each other, its human nature.

Bringing snacks/drinks into the park is very different then sneaking your kid in for free. Ask any CMs here on the DIS. That's comparing apples to oranges.

 

[princessjv]

Here's my take on this (and this isn't directed at you at all, just in response to the 1st part of why people post questions like this). The OP asked if her son would get carded. That's a simple yes or no answer. But the problem comes in when people start bringing up how immoral the OP (or anyone who would consider sneaking in a 3yo or anything like that) is. Nowhere in the OP did she ask for moral opinions or anything like that, i.e. if people think it's stealing, etc. Unless you're planning to answer the OP's question, I don't see why anyone would want to come onto a thread just to impose their moral beliefs. It's not what the OP asked for so if you don't have an answer to the question why not just close the thread and move on? That could stop a lot of these threads from turning into heated moral debates and keep the boards a bit friendlier.

BTW, I think that's a great example of why people shouldn't 'cast stones' on others! Very true.

Great Statement!

Let's be concerned with our own actions, and not everyone elses!

 

[DisneyDotty]

OP--(if you're still reading this)--I understand your frustration and wanting to get an idea of what will happen when you bring your child who's 3 into the parks without an admission ticket. I hope at this point you realize that though there is a clearly stated policy that children 3 and over need to pay admission, there's a huge discrepancy regarding the enforcement of that policy. I know back in 2001 a CM refused to sell us a ticket for our DS who had been 3 for several months already.
So, as many others have concurred, since your DH is adamantly against purchasing a ticket, your idea of letting your DH handle your child's admission is the best you can do.
I hope you have a great trip!

 

[zookeeper]

People will always post their opinions on these types of things and they will almost always end up in debate. Don't like that well then don't post these kinds of questions then. It's the nature of message boards. They always take turns you don't expect. Just check out the Community board.

People will always judge each other, its human nature.

Bringing snacks/drinks into the park is very different then sneaking your kid in for free. Ask any CMs here on the DIS. That's comparing apples to oranges.[/QUOTE]


That's the part I never get. Why should it be considered different? Either way you're not following the rules right? So, it's OK for one to break a perceived "minor" rule like bringing food into the parks, but not a "major" rule like bringing a 3yr old in without a ticket? So who gets to be the judge of "major vs. minor infractions" ? And why is it those that judge others for breaking "major" rules always feel the need to justify breaking "minor" rules by categorizing. No matter how you want to justify it you're still breaking a rule and if you don't like the rule than you shouldn't go right? Isn't that what you all have said???

 

[babiesX2]

Back to the question some things in life are black and white. breaking a rule is just that, what it depends on is how comfortable you are with doing it. I always say switch it around if Disney GAVE you something for turning 3 you better believe people would demand it on the exact day their kid turned three not oh he is only 3 for a month we'll give it to him next time.

So true! So true!

My mom used to give a lower age for me and my sis. I absolutely hated it. I felt so embarrassed because I knew the people didn't believe her, but she would cause such a scene they would want her out of their face. We would get in for either free or the reduced child rate. It was just embarrassing. I have never lied about my daughters' age. Many times we have been given a reduced rate or whatever, but it was because of generosity, not because I was being a liar and causing a scene. *My mom would also coach us about our "new" age. We would get grilled and slip up with our actual age. Boy, would we get in trouble.

 

[beattyfamily]

Bringing snacks/drinks into the park is very different then sneaking your kid in for free. Ask any CMs here on the DIS. That's comparing apples to oranges.[/QUOTE]


That's the part I never get. Why should it be considered different? Either way you're not following the rules right? So, it's OK for one to break a perceived "minor" rule like bringing food into the parks, but not a "major" rule like bringing a 3yr old in without a ticket? So who gets to be the judge of "major vs. minor infractions" ? And why is it those that judge others for breaking "major" rules always feel the need to justify breaking "minor" rules by categorizing. No matter how you want to justify it you're still breaking a rule and if you don't like the rule than you shouldn't go right? Isn't that what you all have said???

IMHO, its different because it's not against the rules. You can bring in snacks and drinks; like I said before ask any CM here on the DIS that works there. Coolers full of sandwiches, on the other hand, are against their rules.

I didn't justify anything.

I can't believe some don't see a difference.

 

[pedro2112]

That's the part I never get. Why should it be considered different? Either way you're not following the rules right? So, it's OK for one to break a perceived "minor" rule like bringing food into the parks, but not a "major" rule like bringing a 3yr old in without a ticket? So who gets to be the judge of "major vs. minor infractions" ?

One is an infraction of a Disney rule, the other is theft under Florida Law. I don't think there is anything wrong or improper with letting the OP know that what they are doing is against the law. And, no, I don't think that every infraction of the law equals being immoral. But to suggest that bringing in a snack to the park is of the same weight as voilating the law seems to be a bit of a stretch.

Frankly, I wouldn't care what other people do as long as it doesn't affect me. However, when people continue to break the rules set forth by Disney, it sometimes results in the elimination of benefits provided by Disney. So in a sense, it does matter.

 

[zookeeper]

Frankly, I wouldn't care what other people do as long as it doesn't affect me. However, when people continue to break the rules set forth by Disney, it sometimes results in the elimination of benefits provided by Disney. So in a sense, it does matter.

So you don't care, but it does matter ???

I just wanted to make sure I got it right.

 

[Mickey'snewestfan]

Don't get angry at Disney for having to question how old children are. Get angry at the people who force Disney to use strong arm tactics by trying to cheat and lie to save a few dollars. Face it, if so many people did not try to sneak their kids in Disney would probably turn a blind eye. They must be loosing tons of money for them to stoop to grilling children on their ages. Why cause a scene because a CM is doing their job? Why not take a copy of your childrens birth certificate so this isn't a problem?

But what if you don't have a copy of your child's birth certificate?

I didn't have a copy of DS's birth certificate until he was 4 and his adoption was finalized. His original birth certificate was "sealed" and the new one hadn't been issued.

Even if I had had a birth certificate, it probably wouldn't have occurred to me to bring it on vacation.

I'm sorry that people "cheat" Disney in this way. However, if I have to choose between protecting the rights of Disney (a giant corporation which makes a great deal of money) and the rights of parents of 2 year olds I'm going to choose the latter everytime.

 

[nowellsl]

How in the world does requiring parents to prove their child's age violate their rights? I register kids for school all the time - if you can't prove your child's age (via birth certificate, passport or other acceptable document) you can't enroll them. You need to show a birth certificate for organized sports, drivers liscenses and all manner of activities. I guess I don't see the big deal!

 

[justhat]

How in the world does requiring parents to prove their child's age violate their rights? I register kids for school all the time - if you can't prove your child's age (via birth certificate, passport or other acceptable document) you can't enroll them. You need to show a birth certificate for organized sports, drivers liscenses and all manner of activities. I guess I don't see the big deal!

My daughter is in preschool, goes to Gymboree, will be going to a summer camp, and in a kiddie soccer class. All of those things required her to be a certain age by a certain date but none required her birth certificate or any other proof of age. Just me writing down her birthdate on a form.

 

[nowellsl]

My daughter is in preschool, goes to Gymboree, will be going to a summer camp, and in a kiddie soccer class. All of those things required her to be a certain age by a certain date but none required her birth certificate or any other proof of age. Just me writing down her birthdate on a form.

I don't know about private pre-schools. I work in a public K-5 school. Florida law requires that you provide documented proof of name and age upon school entry. The only reason I know about needing it for sports is because parents call me all the time at school wanting a copy of their child's birth certificate for sports because they can't find the original or are too lazy to go look for it

 

[hollyb]

If you know in your heart and soul that it's wrong. Don't do it!

 

[KristinU]

But what if you don't have a copy of your child's birth certificate?

I didn't have a copy of DS's birth certificate until he was 4 and his adoption was finalized. His original birth certificate was "sealed" and the new one hadn't been issued.

Even if I had had a birth certificate, it probably wouldn't have occurred to me to bring it on vacation.
...

We're also an adoptive family, and before we finalized and received our DS's birth certificate (of which I carry a photocopy in my purse) we carried copies of his placement letter - which indicated not only his DOB but also authorized us to seek medical care for him. I guess I've always wanted to have something with me to prove that he is who I say he is and that I am his mom and can make "mom decisions" for him.

 

[pedro2112]

So you don't care, but it does matter ???

I just wanted to make sure I got it right.

No, you are leaving out the important part. I don't care as long as it doesn't affect me. If it does affect me, then yes, I care. Sort of the liberatrian approach to life.

 

[Beth E. (NJ)]

Well now that everyone has had the time and space to state their opinions and then had the time and space to verbally beat up someone else for their opinions I think I will lock this little thread of joy.

Perhaps next time we can tread a little kinder around a new DISer with only 22 posts to her name. Just a thought.