We got the ticket, now this is all about the rules...

[tjmw2727]

Well I hope there is no "firing squad" at Disney but I do think that if employees are giving out false information to customers they should at the very least be remprimanded and educated. Every peice of literature clearly states the admission requirements for those 3-9 and those 10+. The literature is in print for all to see - for an employee to state otherwise is just wong plain and simple. It is clear that Disney can and has denied entry to people without valid admission.

Many people get away with it - others don't, its not my business what others do.

IMHO if Disney employees are giving out false information that is a problem.

TJ

 

[Samar]

It is NOT a money issue Holy cow, ppl. I just told you what I heard from a Disney GRANDMOTHER who took the call and shared it.

And Bird-Mom, don't be smart with me. I'm not stealing ANYTHING (whether it's food or clothes, I'm sure you'll tell me) so that's that.

It's DH's issue now, not mine. Like I had said, I just wanted opinions on both sides of the fences. I should've made this thing a poll. A simple yes or no thing.

I PM'ed a mod suggesting to lock the thread now that I got all the advice (wanted and not) that I felt was needed.

THANK YOU

 

[Bird-Mom]

It is NOT a money issue Holy cow, ppl. I just told you what I heard from a Disney GRANDMOTHER who took the call and shared it.

And Bird-Mom, don't be smart with me. I'm not stealing ANYTHING (whether it's food or clothes, I'm sure you'll tell me) so that's that.

It's DH's issue now, not mine. Like I had said, I just wanted opinions on both sides of the fences. I should've made this thing a poll. A simple yes or no thing.

I PM'ed a mod suggesting to lock the thread now that I got all the advice (wanted and not) that I felt was needed.

THANK YOU

Yes, no matter what you try to call it, is IS stealing. You are taking something without paying for it. That is stealing. If money is not a problem, buy a ticket.

 

[Samar]

Did you miss my post on DH being the breadwinner? I don't need to share details of how my marriage works but he gets uber-pissed if I bring up this topic. He's being a miser mostly because we have to travel abroad this year as well and with tickets and other expenses, it will be over $6,000.

So when we go, he will be with DS in line and he can answer alllllll the questions. It will be his to deal. I'm not going to tick him off and ruin our vacation.

 

[Deb & Bill]

So, if you knew you needed a ticket for your 3 yr old, why did you bother to post? Disney owns the place. Disney makes the rules. A single or two or ten castmembers do not make the rules. The rules are written all over the place as corporate policy. You are stealing admission to the park. It may not be as tangible as food or a t-shirt, but you are still stealing. You might want to advise your husband, the breadwinner, of this.

 

[Bird-Mom]

So if you are spending 6K, what is the difference if you throw in another $100? Just because he is the breadwinner doesn't mean he should be able to make all the decisions himself...how does that justify stealing that you are enabling? Seriously, rationalize all you want if it makes you feel better.

 

[Bird-Mom]

Oh, and if speaking up for what is right ruins your vacation and makes him angry, I can't imagine what your future is going to be like.

 

[Samar]

Ok lady, BACK OFF.

We bought the darn ticket. I told him that it was morally wrong, convinced him it was a sin, yada yada yada and he shelled it out without too many words.

And given that you don't know me, don't tell me how my marriage is. Step off and go piss off another poster.

Deb, I bothered to post to see if others had been in this predicament before. Apparently I'm not the only one who was on the fence about this.

SO WE GOT THE TICKET, EVERYONE. THANKS FOR THOSE WITH USEFUL ADVICE (and to those who think they are high and mighty).

I'm off to enjoy my vacation planning now

 

[Bird-Mom]

I made you mad by giving an opinion that you didn't like? Oh, so sorry.

 

[justhat]

SW, and other airlines, also ask to see proof of age if parents are booking an infant fare as an alternative to being a lap baby, if they're booking a child are or if a passenger books a senior citizen fare.

I expect that a business might ask me to prove eligibility for any discount that I request.

There has to be some point in which it's appropriate to ask for proof of age even if Disney doesn't specifically indicate it. Suppose a 20 year old tries to use a child ticket?

Evidently it's not normal Disney policy to ask for proof of age but if I had a child that was significantly taller/larger than normal I'd bring it.

Actually, the only airline that identifies a ticket as an infant fare is Ted (and I assume United too), where they write "INF" after my daughter's name. At least that we've flown on (which includes Continental, Delta, American, Southwest, Northwest, US Airways, America West, AirTran, and the now defunct Independence Air) they do not identify the ticket any differently than mine or my husband's. Granted, not all of those airlines offer infant fares on all flights, or even at all, but most of them do. We can check her in online and use our printed boarding passes and there's no difference and when they scan the ticket at the gate nothing shows up on the screen other than her name (which I know because I look everytime). We've even gotten the infant fare for 1st class for her so if they were ever going to check I'd think it would have been then considering she flew 1st class to Hawaii for only $500 and she was 20 months so pretty close to 2.

 

[Schmeck]

Wow, why don't you just say she should be killed? On-the-spot firing squads for anyone who gives an answer you don't like.

Truth is, rules are stretched and broken all the time, without the downfall of civilization occurring.

And it's not a law that children 3 and over need tickets. It's a corporate requirement. You won't find it in city code anyplace.

Just because some people don't believe the rules are for them, doesn't make it right. If we keep accepting that rules are optional, then who knows where we'll end up as a civilization - it isn't too great right now.

But getting something for nothing, when you are required by policy to pay, is stealing, and that would be illegal, wouldn't it?

 

[bicker]

But getting something for nothing, when you are required by policy to pay, is stealing, and that would be illegal, wouldn't it?

If the person doesn't have authorization to enter the park, then it is theft:


Florida Statute XLVI

Chapter 812.012

(4) "Property" means anything of value, and includes:

(c) Services.


(6) "Services" means anything of value resulting from a person's physical or mental labor or skill, or from the use, possession, or presence of property, and includes:

(e) Admissions to places of exhibition or entertainment.


Chapter 812.014

(1) A person commits theft if he or she knowingly obtains or uses, or endeavors to obtain or to use, the property of another with intent to, either temporarily or permanently:

(b) Appropriate the property to his or her own use or to the use of any person not entitled to the use of the property.

 

[jodifla]

If the person doesn't have authorization to enter the park, then it is theft:


Florida Statute XLVI

Chapter 812.012

(4) "Property" means anything of value, and includes:

(c) Services.


(6) "Services" means anything of value resulting from a person's physical or mental labor or skill, or from the use, possession, or presence of property, and includes:

(e) Admissions to places of exhibition or entertainment.


Chapter 812.014

(1) A person commits theft if he or she knowingly obtains or uses, or endeavors to obtain or to use, the property of another with intent to, either temporarily or permanently:

(b) Appropriate the property to his or her own use or to the use of any person not entitled to the use of the property.

But if you walk by the ticket gates, and nobody asks you for your tickets, it's not an unauthorized entry.

Personally, we solved this issue by starting our trip a few days before DS turned 3, but no one asked us for tickets for him the whole time we were there, and DS is a big kid.

 

[bicker]

But if you walk by the ticket gates, and nobody asks you for your tickets, it's not an unauthorized entry.

It is. There is a legal posting on-property that states that entry to the parks without admission is not permitted.

 

[mjmcca]

If the person doesn't have authorization to enter the park, then it is theft:


Florida Statute XLVI

Chapter 812.012

(4) "Property" means anything of value, and includes:

(c) Services.


(6) "Services" means anything of value resulting from a person's physical or mental labor or skill, or from the use, possession, or presence of property, and includes:

(e) Admissions to places of exhibition or entertainment.


Chapter 812.014

(1) A person commits theft if he or she knowingly obtains or uses, or endeavors to obtain or to use, the property of another with intent to, either temporarily or permanently:

(b) Appropriate the property to his or her own use or to the use of any person not entitled to the use of the property.

If Disney doesnt seem too bothered by this I dont know why you are....

 

[bicker]

I'm not bothered by this (really, not at all). I'm bothered by the casual disregard for personal accountability in the country.

 

[mjmcca]

I'm not bothered by this (really, not at all). I'm bothered by the casual disregard for personal accountability in the country.

Could have fooled me

 

[beattyfamily]

"I'm not bothered by this (really, not at all)."

Could have fooled me

One could say the same for you...

 

[bicker]

Truly. I'm very consistent in objection to lying, deception, dishonesty, taking advantage of leniency, exploiting generosity, etc. It really doesn't matter the issue. Heck, we're talking about stuff like this on the TiVo forums this week. It doesn't matter what the context, resorts, utilities, taxes, etc.

 

[zookeeper]

It never fails to amaze me when people start a thread like this and then get upset when it becomes such an issue of morality. Honestly people, have you never read these boards before???

To the OP, it's nice to get opinions from others (at least those that tell you what you want to hear), but in the end it's going to be you dealing with whatever happens so you have to make the decision for yourself. Someone else might not buy the ticket, but won't care about answering anyone's questions. Do whatever works for your family.

Also, IMHO, it's a little hypocritical for most people to be "throwing stones" at those who don't buy tickets for 3yr olds. I think somewhere in the Book of Disney I read: "Let ye who has never brought 'illegal' food/drink into the parks cast the first stone"