WDW and Universal. Who wins?

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

This is very unsurprising lately, hardcore fans are never satisfied and this comment is a good illustration of it. The glory days you're after aren't coming back, it may be time to move on

I remember our back and forth in the past. It's very dismissing the way are responding to people. I don't even know what glory days you are speaking of because I haven't ever said glory days.

But to get it straight hard core fans IN MY COMMENT was about to show that they love Disney, have DVC, APs even moved down to Orlando (3 total) and started working for Disney (1). It does NOT mean that they are nitpicking over everything and are never satisfied. You are unfortunately speaking from a position that is skewed and is incorrect. I am the one that is the most critical of them purely because I take my vacation dollars in many other places than they do. But when my friends who often have a balanced opinion of Disney (neither too critical nor too positive) are not enthused about D23 announcements when they used to be, when they are too hesitant to get excited about projects that may never come out I perk up and listen. It's a shame you reduce their opinions to your own bias.

Now that we have that out of the way...

 

[Jrb1979]

Yeah I thought of that but BTMRR is the "wildest ride in the wilderness", it's theme is based on long ago wild west style, lending on themes of tnt blasting, mining and railroad glory days. That's what I mean about rocks (shown in the concept art) and Tiana. Just having that doesn't match the original Frontierland aspect so it (including Tiana) will come across more as IP thrown in there lack of overall theming. But you could change the entire theme of the land which would then make BTMRR stick out more so then does BTMRR stay around in its current theming or not.

These are thinking out loud thoughts but it's about what the present push of Disney is for today in regards to the IP. When Disney does whole lands they do much better both in overall theming and reception of it, the biggest pushbacks are when they us their more recent IPs in places that not all feel fit right there.

Your post is why there is so much disagreement on this topic. Todays average Disney guest and those here just aren't big on park theme now.

IMO the only park that still has most of its theme is Animal Kingdom. What attracted my family to the Disney Parks was not just the IP but when you were in the parks you felt like you were in a different world. Now they all feel the same but with different IP in them.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Don't forget about how Galaxy's Edge received a decent amount of budget cuts. That included a 3rd ride and a dinner show restaurant. The concept art first revealed to the public looks so different to what we actually got. Similar to the Epcot "overhaul" (which was just embarrassing for the company, let's be real).

Ah yes, I did omit that one. I was okay with a delayed second attraction but I for sure felt the missing stuff in the land. Good photo ops with the set pieces and they did well on the buildings but you could feel, and IMO, even without knowing what was in the concept art that there was not enough done here. Expansion areas are one thing and are great to plan for but to feel too much empty spaces is another. I remember in 2019 saying that it really could use a show but I wasn't thinking a dinner show necessarily just something to absorb and grab people for a bit.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Your post is why there is so much disagreement on this topic. Todays average Disney guest and those here just aren't big on park theme now.

IMO the only park that still has most of its theme is Animal Kingdom. What attracted my family to the Disney Parks was not just the IP but when you were in the parks you felt like you were in a different world. Now they all feel the same but with different IP in them.

I still see a lot of complaints about disjointed theming but I think people may be more forgiving on that when it's your bigger thrill theme parks because at the end of the day there you're on an inverted rollercoaster that is the tallest drop in whatever place for a reason, theming is second there. Like my husband loved Velocicoaster but it could be any theme and still provide high enough satisfaction. Your tamer, slower (relatively speaking), more for general audience attractions will lend itself to be more scrutiny.

I've been thinking about Epic Universe and I feel there their lands are going to be amazing but I do wonder how the transitions will be especially for instance with Wizarding World in Paris where they said their shortest building is taller than the tallest building in Diagon Alley. That could make a bit more disjointed feeling but maybe how they designed it will work better. Frontierland for instance is really just out there in the open so it's pretty noticeable. I don't know how many brand new to Disney park guests will care (probably not super high numbers) but if we're talking about why people make comments that they do well there are some points to it.

 

[Uncle Coaster]

Your post is why there is so much disagreement on this topic. Todays average Disney guest and those here just aren't big on park theme now.

IMO the only park that still has most of its theme is Animal Kingdom. What attracted my family to the Disney Parks was not just the IP but when you were in the parks you felt like you were in a different world. Now they all feel the same but with different IP in them.

I can understand this thought even if I strongly disagree with it. The only WDW park that feels like a selection of attractions to me rather than a series of different lands is Epcot. While I’ve always loved Epcot it’s always felt that way to me too.

 

[BrianL]

I can understand this thought even if I strongly disagree with it. The only WDW park that feels like a selection of attractions to me rather than a series of different lands is Epcot. While I’ve always loved Epcot it’s always felt that way to me too.

Well, Original Epcot was really only two "Lands" - Future World and World Showcase. They were pretty big catch-all's. The new four land system works though I think.

 

[Uncle Coaster]

Well, Original Epcot was really only two "Lands" - Future World and World Showcase. They were pretty big catch-all's. The new four land system works though I think.

Agreed. And Original Epcot was also often referred to as a simulated World’s Fair, which itself was a collection of attractions, so it all made sense.

 

[Aluminum Falcon]

I remember our back and forth in the past. It's very dismissing the way are responding to people. I don't even know what glory days you are speaking of because I haven't ever said glory days.

But to get it straight hard core fans IN MY COMMENT was about to show that they love Disney, have DVC, APs even moved down to Orlando (3 total) and started working for Disney (1). It does NOT mean that they are nitpicking over everything and are never satisfied. You are unfortunately speaking from a position that is skewed and is incorrect. I am the one that is the most critical of them purely because I take my vacation dollars in many other places than they do. But when my friends who often have a balanced opinion of Disney (neither too critical nor too positive) are not enthused about D23 announcements when they used to be, when they are too hesitant to get excited about projects that may never come out I perk up and listen. It's a shame you reduce their opinions to your own bias.

Now that we have that out of the way...

Glory days are a turn of phrase, i'm sorry that you feel as though my comments are dismissive. The larger problem that i have is that there is a constant barrage from people on these boards about how unimpressed, unsatisfied, unhappy they are about the parks and the state of the company (on a fan site), it truly is unrelenting. Since it is so one sided in negativity i try and be the voice in opposition is all

 

[Smugpugmug]

Glory days are a turn of phrase, i'm sorry that you feel as though my comments are dismissive. The larger problem that i have is that there is a constant barrage from people on these boards about how unimpressed, unsatisfied, unhappy they are about the parks and the state of the company (on a fan site), it truly is unrelenting. Since it is so one sided in negativity i try and be the voice in opposition is all

It is completely fair and valid to criticize a company like Disney and the state in which they're running the parks. I tend to ignore the "criticize Disney no matter what they do" crowd as they're not arguing in good faith but neither are the shills that defend Disney no matter what. Those people are all over Disney fan pages so it feels nice to have a space where that isn't the case.

Also for the record, none of the announcements from D23 outside of Cars really bothered me. That may change with Monster's Inc if they decide to bulldoze Muppetvision but I digress.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Glory days are a turn of phrase, i'm sorry that you feel as though my comments are dismissive. The larger problem that i have is that there is a constant barrage from people on these boards about how unimpressed, unsatisfied, unhappy they are about the parks and the state of the company (on a fan site), it truly is unrelenting. Since it is so one sided in negativity i try and be the voice in opposition is all

I can tell based on the last couple of pages with multiple posters how you feel about people on the boards. You can be critical of something and that doesn't mean they are hating over everything. It also doesn't mean you aren't a fan of Disney (which comprises of different components) either.

Most of the criticisms you'll see on the board is there is too much so-called cheerleading (the Disney can do no wrong) and in truth some of your comments end up coming off that way such as the discussions about cancelled projects or theming. You shouldn't feel that you need to be the other side of the coin at the expense of allowing people to have their own opinions of it especially when you end up dismissing (and it wasn't just me that I felt that was happening) their points because of wanting to be the other side of the coin. It's not even a devil's advocate situation either.

 

[HokieRaven5]

Also for the record, none of the announcements from D23 outside of Cars really bothered me. That may change with Monster's Inc if they decide to bulldoze Muppetvision but I digress.

I’m at the acceptance stage of grief on MuppetVision getting the axe, with the only hope remaining being the rumblings of the Muppets taking over Hall of Presidents.

 

[Aluminum Falcon]

It is completely fair and valid to criticize a company like Disney and the state in which they're running the parks. I tend to ignore the "criticize Disney no matter what they do" crowd as they're not arguing in good faith but neither are the shills that defend Disney no matter what. Those people are all over Disney fan pages so it feels nice to have a space where that isn't the case.

Also for the record, none of the announcements from D23 outside of Cars really bothered me. That may change with Monster's Inc if they decide to bulldoze Muppetvision but I digress.

i think that's a fair and measured comment. I just don't enjoy when people go out of their way to bash Dis, i'm not in love with everything they do either but when everything that is mentioned is negative (on things that on a whole are seen as a positive) it makes me wonder why you would even want to be on a fan site it seems like trolling on a personal level which is just odd to me

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I’m at the acceptance stage of grief on MuppetVision getting the axe, with the only hope remaining being the rumblings of the Muppets taking over Hall of Presidents.

I love the history component to Hall of Presidents but I did very much enjoy Great Moments in History they did in MK

 

[Jrb1979]

i think that's a fair and measured comment. I just don't enjoy when people go out of their way to bash Dis, i'm not in love with everything they do either but when everything that is mentioned is negative (on things that on a whole are seen as a positive) it makes me wonder why you would even want to be on a fan site it seems like trolling on a personal level which is just odd to me

The new additions look great. At least for me, they do have a negative side to them. It's more of going away from each parks unique theme to random IP every where. I feel there should be a balance

 

[Smugpugmug]

I’m at the acceptance stage of grief on MuppetVision getting the axe, with the only hope remaining being the rumblings of the Muppets taking over Hall of Presidents.

Insiders are implying that Muppets is earmarked for future development so I do predict it'll be gone in the next 10 years. What I meant is that I would be upset if it closed before Animation Courtyard.

 

[BrianL]

i think that's a fair and measured comment. I just don't enjoy when people go out of their way to bash Dis, i'm not in love with everything they do either but when everything that is mentioned is negative (on things that on a whole are seen as a positive) it makes me wonder why you would even want to be on a fan site it seems like trolling on a personal level which is just odd to me

Like any fandom that becomes immensely big and popular, the fans are the ones who hate it most. Look at Star Wars? Harry Potter? Yes, our Disney Parks fandom has become like those, where nothing will ever be satisfactory. Nothing will ever be how *I* want it. Nothing will ever live up to that it was, or perhaps just whant I think it was.

That said, people have the right to complain too, but the overwhelming negativity does get old after a while. Everyone knows that I've experienced some nerd-rage in my life, but I do try to move past it or at least not focus on it. There are definitely some things I will be critical about too, but overall I'm still pretty happy.

 

[BrianL]

Insiders are implying that Muppets is earmarked for future development so I do predict it'll be gone in the next 10 years. What I meant is that I would be upset if it closed before Animation Courtyard.

Right! They can come for Muppets later. Right now they have a big, practically empty space right in the middle of the park! Let's fix that first, yeah?

 

[HokieRaven5]

Insiders are implying that Muppets is earmarked for future development so I do predict it'll be gone in the next 10 years. What I meant is that I would be upset if it closed before Animation Courtyard.

I would agree, just odds are they’re looking for maybe a bigger IP down the road for that larger space pending the sequel storm of movies in the next few years

 

[Smugpugmug]

I would agree, just odds are they’re looking for maybe a bigger IP down the road for that larger space pending the sequel storm of movies in the next few years

You don't want to know the rumors the insiders are saying....now THAT would make me unhappy lol

 

[Jrb1979]

You don't want to know the rumors the insiders are saying....now THAT would make me unhappy lol

Doh!