WDW and Universal. Who wins?

Can Disney take more land to expand AK? I thought surrounding it was preserve land.

It is odd to me they want to expand MK, which is the biggest park they have. Maybe they feel it's the only way to stay relevant without closing all the beloved attractions that are almost museum pieces at this point.
 
If you're going to throw out the lamer aspects of UO then you'll have to take a look at IASW, Frozen, Peter Pan, all the shooter rides, Navi and a lot more legacy stuff in WDW.
The reason all that stuff is there is because enough people like it to keep it.
Disney is trying to screw the pooch on the horrid remakes of classic IP as well and Marvel is about at the end of it's service life for most people too.
The competition from each other is what causes the weaker attractions to get tweaked or canned.
I've watched the evolution of Orlando's parks from my first visit in '72 or 3 until now and there has never been a doubt that more is better and more is coming.
 

Ah yes, the never-ending question...like Apple vs Microsoft, Ford vs Chevy, Coke vs Pepsi.

I love both, but each has their own advantages and people's preferences are going to align with one or the other.

I've had great and terrible food at both. I prefer the proximity of the Universal parks and CityWalk. I also prefer the much easier planning in the past couple of years without needing park reservations, not needing to wait til 2PM to park-hop, but also........

Universal needs more attractions that aren't thrills. Disney has nearly a lock on slow-moving dark ride and theater experiences for people who want a break from the thrills. Universal hardly has any of those and the limited theater shows they've offered in the past often get closed (with the exceptions of Horror Make-up and Animal Actors).

20 years ago I was WAY more into the thrill rides that IOA offered but now that I'm older, I like slower paced experiences also.

I also LOVE Epcot, it's the park my father worked at when I was 4 years old in 1982 and even though the front half of the park has gone through tons of changes, it's still my favorite park to "hang out" in. I love the festivals and food and drinks and visiting World Showcase never gets old for me.

I also love Flight of Passage and Rise of the Resistance as individual attractions and the lands are relatively good (though Galaxy's Edge is definitely in need of something more IMO).

Overall, I will keep happily visiting both.
 
My opinion: WDW sells nostalgia. Universal sells a theme park. The last few additions to WDW seemed to be more about keeping up with Universal than creating nostalgia. WDW needs to decide if they want to have 'just another theme park,' or go back to their roots of creating an experience. Long term, if they try to compete at Universal's game, WDW will lose. If they focus more on the guests, then WDW will win. That is how WDW has been able to stay on top while having rides and shows from the 70's. Just my opinion, but, one day, when I am CEO, that is what I'd do.
My opinion: WDW sells nostalgia. Universal sells a vacation.

Nostalgia will keep Disney in the lead, at least in attendance, for the foreseeable future. You need a generational view to even project a time when Universal would surpass Disney in Orlando attendance.

I went to Disney throughout the 70's. Then with my kids in the 90's. Even in the 90's, it required extreme planning to get close to your money's worth out of the trip. Running to specific rides in specific order, leave just after lunch. Pool and nap then return to park after dinner for kids rides. But Haunted Mansion alone carried enough nostalgia to make it all worth it - to me.

Our first split trip was in 1999 leaving Disney after 6 nights to spend 3 nights at the PBH. Those 3 days were the most fun, relaxing vacation we'd ever had. It made us realize our Disney trips were even more stressful than our normal lives and when we returned home, it was the first time we actually felt like we had had an actual vacation.

We made a deliberate decision to make Universal the nostalgic draw for our kids when they got older. None of us have been to Disney since 1999 (kids were 7-11). For 25 years we've been to Universal with them, and the subsequent grandkids, usually at least a single 9 night trip each year.

So for them, the nostalgia is with Universal, but it's vacation nostalgia. The draw is the resort, pools, rides on demand with no planning, etc. It's not just theme park based, and certainly not IP based, it's vacation based. Disney folks that take 1 or 2 days to blitzkrieg Universal are doing Universal like they have to do Disney and completely miss the advantage Universal has.

I don't think Disney will ever be able to create the same atmosphere unless it is isolated to a couple properties with unlimited Lightning Lane. Sadly, my fear is that as Universal grows and begins to compete on Disney's scale, they will also find it difficult to maintain the experience that they currently offer.

Back to the point. If you told me I was going to Orlando tomorrow and could only ride one ride, what would it be? It would be Haunted Mansion, hands down. And 25 years later, I still rank ToT a top 5 ride in Orlando. Great ride, but it's the first "adult ride" I rode with my eldest when she hit 40 inches.

Nostalgia is a powerful thing and it will be at least a generation before Universal could come close to knocking Disney off the top spot.
 
We just took three young relatives (all boys age 17 to 19) to Universal and WDW for the first time. We did 3.5 park days at Universal and 3 days at WDW. We went to all 6 theme parks and had EP or Genie+/ILL on all days.

The verdict
Universal wins for ease of access by a long margin.
#1 ride: Rise of the Resistance
#2 ride: Guardians
#3 ride: Escape from Gringotts
#4 ride: Tron
AKL savanna view no club wins over Royal Pacific with club.

Edited to add: the verdict is from these 3 kids, not mine. My favorite ride is Frozen, lol.
 
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We just took three young relatives (all boys age 17 to 19) to Universal and WDW for the first time. We did 3.5 park days at Universal and 3 days at WDW. We went to all 6 theme parks and had EP or Genie+/ILL on all days.

The verdict
Universal wins for ease of access by a long margin.
#1 ride: Rise of the Resistance
#2 ride: Guardians
#3 ride: Escape from Gringotts
#4 ride: Tron
AKL savanna view no club wins over Royal Pacific with club.
Wow, all those rides beat Hagrid’s?
 
My question wasn't Hagrid's. Mine was Velocicoaster.

"One Mosasaurus roll, coming up!"
Velocicoaster was indeed their #1 coaster out of the big three (Hulk, Rockit, Velocicoaster).

Rise was #1 for the story line, theme, vehicle movements, etc...These kids have been on coasters in Europe since they're from the UK, but they've never been on a ride with the immersiveness and technology like Rise. They were also thoroughly impressed with Guardians and Tron. I deliberately got them a night ILL for Tron to showcase the lights so that helped.
 
Velocicoaster was indeed their #1 coaster out of the big three (Hulk, Rockit, Velocicoaster).

Rise was #1 for the story line, theme, vehicle movements, etc...These kids have been on coasters in Europe since they're from the UK, but they've never been on a ride with the immersiveness and technology like Rise. They were also thoroughly impressed with Guardians and Tron. I deliberately got them a night ILL for Tron to showcase the lights so that helped.
Feels like we’re a bit spoiled with Rise (which will be five years old soon!) and obviously it’s lost a bit of shine with the technical problems it often has but no ride blew my mind like that did the first time I went on.

Good work on the night ILL for Tron! Definitely recommend.
 
Feels like we’re a bit spoiled with Rise (which will be five years old soon!) and obviously it’s lost a bit of shine with the technical problems it often has but no ride blew my mind like that did the first time I went on.

Good work on the night ILL for Tron! Definitely recommend.
Yeah I think repeatedly doing Rise makes it less impressive after a while. We’ve done it over 10 times and it’s still super cool, just not mind blowing like the few trips. I have only been on Guardians 7 or 8 times but I think that’ll have more staying power for me because I love the feeling of being on that ride.
 
The Apr-Jun 2024 quarter's earnings reports are in for these two and Disney is certainly on top...for now.

Universal:
results were down in both revenue and EBITDA when compared to last year's record performance, with two-thirds of the decline driven by lower attendance at our domestic parks.
Revenue decreased 11% and EBITDA declined 24% in the quarter compared to last year's record level for a second quarter.


Disney:
The Experiences unit, which includes Disney’s six global theme-park resorts, a cruise line, consumer products sales, videogame licensing, and other businesses, saw revenue increase slightly to $8.39 billion. But operating income fell 3.3% to $2.22 billion despite steady park attendance numbers and per-visitor spending, largely because of increased costs and soft consumer demand toward the end of the quarter, the company said.
 
Feels like we’re a bit spoiled with Rise (which will be five years old soon!) and obviously it’s lost a bit of shine with the technical problems it often has but no ride blew my mind like that did the first time I went on.
My husband is not a theme park person and is generally unimpressed with Disney. The only time I saw his mouth dropped was when we boarded the spaceship with all the Stormtroopers standing. I've never seen him taking out the phone so quick to take pictures and rapidly sending them to his friends.
 
Currently, Disney wins. I think that is going to change over the next couple of years though. Disney plans on destroying a quarter of its premier park and a big part of what makes Magic Kingdom special. They really don’t seem to care about park cohesion and overall theming any more at all. They are going to destroy Jim Henson, George Lucas, and Roy Disneys park legacy along with a big part of Walt Disneys dream in one fell swoop.

On the other hand it seems like universal took a lot of care in the design of epic universe. They do seem to care about theming, and site lines and engulfing you in particular themes. The way they are separating the different areas of the park is brilliant.

Epic Universe is creating an ambient park area… Disney is tearing out their ambient park area so that they can cornhole a cars attraction and lots of various theming in the middle of frontier land… what a mess.

Disney now, Universal in 1-2 years. I unfortunately think we are seeing the end of the Disney parks greatness
 
Currently, Disney wins. I think that is going to change over the next couple of years though. Disney plans on destroying a quarter of its premier park and a big part of what makes Magic Kingdom special. They really don’t seem to care about park cohesion and overall theming any more at all. They are going to destroy Jim Henson, George Lucas, and Roy Disneys park legacy along with a big part of Walt Disneys dream in one fell swoop.

On the other hand it seems like universal took a lot of care in the design of epic universe. They do seem to care about theming, and site lines and engulfing you in particular themes. The way they are separating the different areas of the park is brilliant.

Epic Universe is creating an ambient park area… Disney is tearing out their ambient park area so that they can cornhole a cars attraction and lots of various theming in the middle of frontier land… what a mess.

Disney now, Universal in 1-2 years. I unfortunately think we are seeing the end of the Disney parks greatness
interesting take, personally i haven't come across a Disney fan who is upset with the additions, people have been begging for more for years and are finally getting it. Especially villains land, that is a huge win for hardos. EU IMO is so overhyped without being opened it is already far superior to Dis in many a mind on these boards, HP was the same way when it first opened and look where we are now.

I don't think UNI is coming for the crown anytime soon, the parks are just too different, they can both coexist and be great on their own merit, but UNI isn't toppling Dis anytime in the foreseeable future
 












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