Water Park and More ticket option going away

[Missyrose]

plus you have the new transportation upgrade option so perhaps that figures into the restructuring of the ticket options

level 1: includes Park Hoppers
level 2: includes Park Hoppers, Water Parks, and upgraded park-to-park transportation

This would even mimic the platinum and platinum plus hierarchy of the annual passes.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

This would even mimic the platinum and platinum plus hierarchy of the annual passes.

Well, then even more support

Obviously no idea if that is what it will be but just think the timing of them pulling the Water Park and More and that new transportation option seems like some rejiggering is in the works

 

[crazy4wdw]

I did the same thing for a probable 2018 trip but I'm still scared that somehow tickets will change and they will not be the value we expected.

Disney will honor the tickets you purchased and the entitlements included on them. About three years ago, I found several 6 day All-in-One passes that still had several days on each one of them. I think I bought these around the time Animal Kingdom opened. The CM at guest services told me the remaining days were still valid. I also had a ticket type that had one water park day on it which she told me was still valid even thought the pass was around 15 years old.

 

[manning]

Ya know, the more I read that idea and the more I think about it, the more I actually like it.

option 3

You pay big bucks to stay at the deluxe hotels the park to park option should be included in the rate or....upgrade the deluxe to deluxe standards.

 

[manning]

Maybe Disney will go back to the old way where if you buy so many ticket days, they'll throw in a visit or two to a water park for free!

Ah, who am I kidding.....I just like to make myself laugh.

Have hope. A snowball may survive in hell.

 

[zaccaglin]

I guarantee they won't change the speal about adding to your ticket package that plays on the Express and Epcot monorails... kinda like how the resort beam still says the golf courses still host the PGA tour..

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Was supposed to but the NBA doesn't want to foot the entire bill like Disney wants them to. So DisneyQuest/NBA experience is kind of up in the air still.

Disney should dump the NBA contract anyway...that league has jumped the shark.

Thy should become partners with baseball and football and call it a day...even if only in a limited capacity. That's where things are heading with the demise of espn

 

[nkosiek]

Disney should dump the NBA contract anyway...that league has jumped the shark.

Thy should become partners with baseball and football and call it a day...even if only in a limited capacity. That's where things are heading with the demise of espn

I respect a lot of things you write on here (and it helps you appear to be from the Philly area) but I find the NBA to be a better show than the NFL anymore. Also, with the rise of concussions and loss of viewership, I'm not sure you want to hitch yourself to that wagon. I teach high schoolers and I have to say that more of them follow the NBA than the NFL.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

I respect a lot of things you write on here (and it helps you appear to be from the Philly area) but I find the NBA to be a better show than the NFL anymore. Also, with the rise of concussions and loss of viewership, I'm not sure you want to hitch yourself to that wagon. I teach high schoolers and I have to say that more of them follow the NBA than the NFL.

Don't get me wrong...I'm not promoting the NFL

I just think the NBA will suffer a bigger precipitation decline than the NFL (which has already started)

The health affects of football will kill it or at least severely marginalize it...like boxing.

 

[rteetz]

I respect a lot of things you write on here (and it helps you appear to be from the Philly area) but I find the NBA to be a better show than the NFL anymore. Also, with the rise of concussions and loss of viewership, I'm not sure you want to hitch yourself to that wagon. I teach high schoolers and I have to say that more of them follow the NBA than the NFL.

I disagree, I am 18 and a male. I can't stand watching the NBA, its just not fun to watch. I would much rather watch college basketball all day and all night.

 

[rteetz]

The health affects of football will kill it or at least severely marginalize it...like boxing.

Which I think is ridiculous but that is for another forum.

 

[closetmickey]

Disney will honor the tickets you purchased and the entitlements included on them. About three years ago, I found several 6 day All-in-One passes that still had several days on each one of them. I think I bought these around the time Animal Kingdom opened. The CM at guest services told me the remaining days were still valid. I also had a ticket type that had one water park day on it which she told me was still valid even thought the pass was around 15 years old.

I know. I really do know. Guess I've just lost a little faith with all the recent money grabs.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Which I think is ridiculous but that is for another forum.

Nope...it has already retreated from the forward thinking suburbs and will eventually do so everywhere else...that is exactly what happened to boxing...
But another time

 

[mshanson3121]

Don't get me wrong...I'm not promoting the NFL

I just think the NBA will suffer a bigger precipitation decline than the NFL (which has already started)

The health affects of football will kill it or at least severely marginalize it...like boxing.

You're over estimating the concussion/injuries. There are many people willing to risk injury for millions of dollars, as well as love of the game.

Viewership decline is not due to injuries. Well, I say that, it's a small factor definitely though not necessarily for moral reasons, but more because it removes key players which reduces interest in the game. However, there are many other reasons that IMO are a bigger factor. The primary reason is alternate viewing platforms. People are sick of the commercials, and thus, they are switching to alternate viewing options like Yahoo, Twitter, fantasy channels, RedZone for example - one of their dumbest moves yet. Why sit through 3.5 hours full of commercials when you can watch all the major plays etc... commercial free in 15-20 minutes? There's also some that are getting fed up with the ridiculous penalties. Then there's over-saturation: football used to be Sunday with a strong Monday night game. It had a feeling of special exclusivity to it. Now you have Sunday, Monday, Thursday night and some Saturday nights too. Then add in all the recap shows etc... You no longer need to watch the game to follow the league. Watch your team play, get caught up later. Match ups this year were also poorer, and the networks did a crappy job scheduling - they've skipped over showing some of the most important games, only to show a meaningless game. So, people don't bother watching. Also, there's definitely a loss in franchise quarterbacks - people aren't interested in watching two mediocre quarterbacks duke it out. Then of course, speaking strictly this year, viewership rates were down this fall due to the election debacle. Even my husband, a die-hard fan, watched the debate instead.

So, there's not necessarily one simple reason why NFL viewership is down, but if I had to pick one for the biggest, I would say it's the networks themselves with over-saturation and too many commercials. But - you have to pay for those big salaries somehow, so it's a catch 22. So maybe it just all comes back to money and greed?

 

[lockedoutlogic]

You're over estimating the concussion/injuries. There are many people willing to risk injury for millions of dollars, as well as love of the game.

Viewership decline is not due to injuries. Well, I say that, it's a small factor definitely though not necessarily for moral reasons, but more because it removes key players which reduces interest in the game. However, there are many other reasons that IMO are a bigger factor. The primary reason is alternate viewing platforms. People are sick of the commercials, and thus, they are switching to alternate viewing options like Yahoo, Twitter, fantasy channels, RedZone for example - one of their dumbest moves yet. Why sit through 3.5 hours full of commercials when you can watch all the major plays etc... commercial free in 15-20 minutes? There's also some that are getting fed up with the ridiculous penalties. Then there's over-saturation: football used to be Sunday with a strong Monday night game. It had a feeling of special exclusivity to it. Now you have Sunday, Monday, Thursday night and some Saturday nights too. Then add in all the recap shows etc... You no longer need to watch the game to follow the league. Watch your team play, get caught up later. Match ups this year were also poorer, and the networks did a crappy job scheduling - they've skipped over showing some of the most important games, only to show a meaningless game. So, people don't bother watching. Also, there's definitely a loss in franchise quarterbacks - people aren't interested in watching two mediocre quarterbacks duke it out. Then of course, speaking strictly this year, viewership rates were down this fall due to the election debacle. Even my husband, a die-hard fan, watched the debate instead.

So, there's not necessarily one simple reason why NFL viewership is down, but if I had to pick one for the biggest, I would say it's the networks themselves with over-saturation and too many commercials. But - you have to pay for those big salaries somehow, so it's a catch 22. So maybe it just all comes back to money and greed?

Why is there a loss in franchise quarterbacks?

Because football is being eliminated from the suburbs

You're not gonna have Brady's, mannings, or roger staubachs anymore and that will erode the mass appeal.

Football will be relegated to poorer demographics (it largely is) and that's gonna cause decline. Just like boxing.

There is almost no football here now...it's all soccer and lacrosse - aka "yuppie football"

That's the way it's gonna trend

 

[LSLS]

Disney should dump the NBA contract anyway...that league has jumped the shark.

Thy should become partners with baseball and football and call it a day...even if only in a limited capacity. That's where things are heading with the demise of espn

I disagree. Not about NBA, but about partners with football and baseball and calling it a day. Baseball is shrinking in popularity, and the NFL is to an extent as well. They need to get an upcoming sport, which looking at the past decade or so, you are looking at hockey and soccer. You are right on the NBA though. Saw a stat a few years back that showed basketball is really the only sport that has a large disproportion of media coverage to ratings. Basically it gets a lot more coverage than the ratings justify.

 

[Madonna3]

option 3

You pay big bucks to stay at the deluxe hotels the park to park option should be included in the rate or....upgrade the deluxe to deluxe standards.

I also like that idea

 

[mshanson3121]

I disagree. Not about NBA, but about partners with football and baseball and calling it a day. Baseball is shrinking in popularity, and the NFL is to an extent as well. They need to get an upcoming sport, which looking at the past decade or so, you are looking at hockey and soccer. You are right on the NBA though. Saw a stat a few years back that showed basketball is really the only sport that has a large disproportion of media coverage to ratings. Basically it gets a lot more coverage than the ratings justify.

I'dike to see them offer a sports complex period - something where you could have the option of experiencing a variety of sports - football, baseball, hockey, basketball, soccer. It would benefit them since it would appeal to a wider variety of ppl. Ex. While my son and husband enjoy basketball, my daughter and I don't. Consequently if that's all that's available, none of us would go. But if they could be doing basketball or football while we could be doing baseball or soccer, then definitely.

 

[Josh Hendy]

So, there's not necessarily one simple reason why NFL viewership is down, but if I had to pick one for the biggest, I would say it's the networks themselves with over-saturation and too many commercials. But - you have to pay for those big salaries somehow, so it's a catch 22. So maybe it just all comes back to money and greed?

Sports should be a great thing to watch, but because of business/regulatory circumstances it seems that all of the major North American sports are bent on destroying themselves.

The movies that draw the biggest audiences from the biggest-spending demographics have practically non-stop action and adventure for 2 hours plus. No interruptions for ads.

But you take a major league sports game, which should be like a real-life action movie where the strongest humans on the planet struggle against each other for domination and prizes ... and every 5 seconds to 30 seconds there is a halt followed by minutes of insipid commercials, dull commentary, athletes stooging around chatting and sipping from water bottles, referees standing around with their heads in video monitors, talking on the phone ... and the closer you get to the exciting conclusion of an exciting game, the more interruptions there are.

It's garbage. It happened because of the regulatory near-monopolies granted to cable networks and their (in my opinion) false and fraudulent claims of viewership presented to potential advertisers.

Either sports matches are exciting, almost non-stop action with a high viewership where there are a few but very-high cost advertisements ... or they're dull, stop-and-start (but mostly stop) wastelands of penalties, video reviews, time-outs and endless advertisements with a very low viewership and very low ad revenues.

Advertisers have been told that they're getting "A" but they've been getting "B minus" big time.

I imagine that a similar fraud has been perpetrated on web site advertisers as well ...

 

[rteetz]

I love the sports/ESPN/viewership discussion but that's not what this thread is about.